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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2018, 09:29:17 pm »
Barring more injuries, Sierra is back at Syracuse as soon as Goodwin returns. Stevenson could stick for a while.  He's not hitting overly poorly, and his defense is really good.  It depends on how long they stick with 8 relievers. 

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2018, 09:34:05 pm »
Barring more injuries, Sierra is back at Syracuse as soon as Goodwin returns. Stevenson could stick for a while.  He's not hitting overly poorly, and his defense is really good.  It depends on how long they stick with 8 relievers.

Sierra can’t possibly still have options, can he?

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2018, 10:45:17 pm »
I believe he's out, but I don't think any team would put in a waiver claim for him. 

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2018, 10:54:53 pm »
I would think that Stevenson is odd man out once anybody comes back from the DL...
nah Sierra is 1st now.

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2018, 10:56:00 pm »
I believe he's out, but I don't think any team would put in a waiver claim for him.
and if they did would we really care?

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2018, 11:15:00 pm »
Sure, why lose a guy when you don't have to?  If you discard every guy who doesn't hit .300, you won't have anyone to play one day.  AAAA guys are called that because they do have value.  Every team has injuries, and these are the guys who fill in.  Not every team has a Robles waiting in the wings for a roster spot to open up.  Those that do, sometimes their Robles goes on the DL too.

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2018, 12:02:17 am »
I believe he's out, but I don't think any team would put in a waiver claim for him.

who cares if they lose Sierra   When Godwin comes back he better be the starting CF the MAT bus has left the depot

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2018, 12:47:40 am »
who cares if they lose Sierra   When Godwin comes back he better be the starting CF the MAT bus has left the depot

Goodwin can’t play nearly the defense of MAT. He’s playing until Robles is ready. Runs saved are the same as runs created.

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2018, 03:00:13 am »
I believe he's out, but I don't think any team would put in a waiver claim for him.

I thought a guy that was sent down after spring training could be brought up and sent down at will during the season?

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2018, 07:48:40 am »
I thought a guy that was sent down after spring training could be brought up and sent down at will during the season?

Sierra started out on a minor league deal with an invite to spring training. He didn’t make the big club roster out of spring training, but once he got added, his service time means we can’t send him back there. EJax and Tommy Milone would present the same quandary if they were added to the big club roster today, and one day we will possibly  be having the same quandary about the current Reynolds (like everyone else, I get Mark and Matt mixed up).

who cares if they lose Sierra   When Godwin comes back he better be the starting CF the MAT bus has left the depot

You care if you lose Sierra because #1 either way, we are paying him and he counts against the luxury tax for at least part of the year #2 if injuries continue, an average defender with below average offense is better than sticking someone in a position they can’t play (I love Difo but I don’t want to see him in the outfield) or having to find another body to put out there #3 it’s going to be easier to get to the bottom of MAT’s struggles than it will be to teach someone to defend like he does #4 you need absolutely elite defense for the postseason (if you get there).

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2018, 08:42:57 am »
Sierra started out on a minor league deal with an invite to spring training. He didn’t make the big club roster out of spring training, but once he got added, his service time means we can’t send him back there. EJax and Tommy Milone would present the same quandary if they were added to the big club roster today, and one day we will possibly  be having the same quandary about the current Reynolds (like everyone else, I get Mark and Matt mixed up).

You care if you lose Sierra because #1 either way, we are paying him and he counts against the luxury tax for at least part of the year #2 if injuries continue, an average defender with below average offense is better than sticking someone in a position they can’t play (I love Difo but I don’t want to see him in the outfield) or having to find another body to put out there #3 it’s going to be easier to get to the bottom of MAT’s struggles than it will be to teach someone to defend like he does #4 you need absolutely elite defense for the postseason (if you get there).

WRONG I don't care he is a journeyman OF making just above the minimum and if someone claims him they get his salary and there are 5  just like him sitting on waiver wires every day

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2018, 08:59:01 am »
WRONG I don't care he is a journeyman OF making just above the minimum and if someone claims him they get his salary and there are 5  just like him sitting on waiver wires every day

No one is going to claim him and pay him when they could just wait for us to DFA him and then they can pick him up for essentially free.
Why would we want to pay anyone else that's out there waiting for a team? If they're still out there, there's probably a reason.  Ultimately, Sierra will get DFA'ed unless something has gone horribly wrong, but not till a lot deeper into the season.

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2018, 09:27:11 am »
No one is going to claim him and pay him when they could just wait for us to DFA him and then they can pick him up for essentially free.
Why would we want to pay anyone else that's out there waiting for a team? If they're still out there, there's probably a reason.  Ultimately, Sierra will get DFA'ed unless something has gone horribly wrong, but not till a lot deeper into the season.
I  have not done the rules check, but I assume that, if he clears waivers, he can be outrighted to the minors as someone with less than 6 years service time.   I don't know if he can decline the assignment (there's some sort of rule based on when you were first called up). 

Also, in terms of the luxury tax threshold, he's an MLB minimum guy, I believe.  I don't think his MLB minimum is guaranteed, and, if we replace him, I don't think we take a hit.  Research project, or maybe Blue911  can chime in.

In any event, if we have a healthy Goodwin, a Stevenson with options, a Robles recovered from injury, there's really not much of a need for Sierra.  Certainly not more than Mark Reynolds / Adams / Difo / Kendrick when RZ, Eaton, and Murphy are back. We aren't squeezed before then and can keep a defensive OF like Stevenson / Goodwin.

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2018, 09:31:32 am »
No one is going to claim him and pay him when they could just wait for us to DFA him and then they can pick him up for essentially free.
Why would we want to pay anyone else that's out there waiting for a team? If they're still out there, there's probably a reason.  Ultimately, Sierra will get DFA'ed unless something has gone horribly wrong, but not till a lot deeper into the season.

you obviously do not understand the rules He gets DFA'd first then placed on waivers if a claim is made then he goes or is traded to that team (either way his salary goes which is minimal) The waiver is revocable so only 1 team can claim . If a trade can't be made then he can get released or accept the minors. Never has so much effort been put into  what would happen to the #9 outfielder 

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2018, 09:36:38 am »
you obviously do not understand the rules He gets DFA'd first then placed on waivers if a claim is made then he goes or is traded to that team (either way his salary goes which is minimal) The waiver is revocable so only 1 team can claim . If a trade can't be made then he can get released or accept the minors. Never has so much effort been put into  what would happen to the #9 outfielder 
Are revocable waivers even a thing before August?  Did you mean irrevocable?  Also, can Sierra refuse a minor league assignment given his MLB service time? 

PS - I cleaned up your post.  Keep away from insults.

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #40 on: May 15, 2018, 09:37:27 am »
Are you always this snooty?



just go with ray's response

One of the reasons the MLB board went defunct is ad hominem statements like this and as I recall you were one of the prime offenders.  This forum had a very different culture, and if you cannot refrain from these, I suggest you find another forum, where these sort of attacks are welcome.


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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #41 on: May 15, 2018, 09:44:16 am »
Are revocable waivers even a thing before August?  Did you mean irrevocable?  Also, can Sierra refuse a minor league assignment given his MLB service time? 

PS - I cleaned up your post.  Keep away from insults.

You also cleaned it up in my quote, and then I looked snooty, so I deleted my post...  :P

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2018, 10:02:28 am »
Goodwin can’t play nearly the defense of MAT. He’s playing until Robles is ready. Runs saved are the same as runs created.
No amount of defense can make up for a .186 average.

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2018, 10:25:59 am »


In any event, if we have a healthy Goodwin, a Stevenson with options, a Robles recovered from injury, there's really not much of a need for Sierra.  Certainly not more than Mark Reynolds / Adams / Difo / Kendrick when RZ, Eaton, and Murphy are back. We aren't squeezed before then and can keep a defensive OF like Stevenson / Goodwin.


Oh yeah for sure when we start getting more than one guy back from the DL, Sierra's days will be numbered. It just becomes tiring to hear "DFA HIM" as the recommendation for every fringe guy, especially this early in the season, because the reality remains, when that first  guy comes back from the DL, we still have a depth problem and still need insurance bodies because our current injuries probably won't be our last. 

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2018, 10:36:10 am »
I  have not done the rules check, but I assume that, if he clears waivers, he can be outrighted to the minors as someone with less than 6 years service time.   I don't know if he can decline the assignment (there's some sort of rule based on when you were first called up). 

Also, in terms of the luxury tax threshold, he's an MLB minimum guy, I believe.  I don't think his MLB minimum is guaranteed, and, if we replace him, I don't think we take a hit.  Research project, or maybe Blue911  can chime in.

In any event, if we have a healthy Goodwin, a Stevenson with options, a Robles recovered from injury, there's really not much of a need for Sierra.  Certainly not more than Mark Reynolds / Adams / Difo / Kendrick when RZ, Eaton, and Murphy are back. We aren't squeezed before then and can keep a defensive OF like Stevenson / Goodwin.

1) Sierra had barely one year of MLB service time going into this season.  But you can only be outrighted once without consent - which Sierra has been.  So he can't be sent down without his consent.  If he wanted, he could become a free agent.

2)  He's on the minimum salary, so there's no reason a team that wanted him would let him pass through waivers.  They'd save only the nominal waiver claim fee by doing so.  The only time you see guys get through irrevocable (DFA) waivers when someone actually wants them is when the new team wants him but thinks they can get him cheap while leaving the old club on the hook for his salary.  Doesn't apply here.

3)  Sierra's not very good, isn't young, and doesn't play a premium position.  Hell, before this season he hadn't played in the majors since 2014, and nothing he's done this season shows that 3 full seasons of teams passing on adding him to major league rosters was in any way a poor decision.  I'd venture a guess that almost every team has at least one better hitter who can play corner OF sitting in AAA.  It's very unlikely he'd be claimed.

4)  For the reason above, his agent would be crazy to have him decline the assignment - unless he knows he's now finished in MLB and can get him a decent deal in Japan, Korea, or Mexico, all of which are good leagues for AAAA hitters and pay better than the minors. 

5)  There's no reason to fret if he declines the assignment and goes to Korea because, well, he's just not a productive MLB player.  Stevenson can at least play good defense, and he's already in the system.  Your last point, in other words, is spot-on.

It's a remarkable fact that Moises Sierra has spent any time at all on the Nats' roster this season considering that the worry before the year was too many outfielders, not too few.  The fact that there are three outfielders who are clearly better than he is on the DL for long stretches (counting Robles) is what's led to this, but it doesn't change the reality that even despite that there are still three better options in LF.  When you're in the boat of being a leftfielder stuck behind thirtysomething backup infielders for playing time at your position, you shouldn't expect to decline an outright assignment and get picked up.

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2018, 12:13:01 pm »
1) Sierra had barely one year of MLB service time going into this season.  But you can only be outrighted once without consent - which Sierra has been.  So he can't be sent down without his consent.  If he wanted, he could become a free agent.

2)  He's on the minimum salary, so there's no reason a team that wanted him would let him pass through waivers.  They'd save only the nominal waiver claim fee by doing so.  The only time you see guys get through irrevocable (DFA) waivers when someone actually wants them is when the new team wants him but thinks they can get him cheap while leaving the old club on the hook for his salary.  Doesn't apply here.

3)  Sierra's not very good, isn't young, and doesn't play a premium position.  Hell, before this season he hadn't played in the majors since 2014, and nothing he's done this season shows that 3 full seasons of teams passing on adding him to major league rosters was in any way a poor decision.  I'd venture a guess that almost every team has at least one better hitter who can play corner OF sitting in AAA.  It's very unlikely he'd be claimed.

4)  For the reason above, his agent would be crazy to have him decline the assignment - unless he knows he's now finished in MLB and can get him a decent deal in Japan, Korea, or Mexico, all of which are good leagues for AAAA hitters and pay better than the minors. 

5)  There's no reason to fret if he declines the assignment and goes to Korea because, well, he's just not a productive MLB player.  Stevenson can at least play good defense, and he's already in the system.  Your last point, in other words, is spot-on.

It's a remarkable fact that Moises Sierra has spent any time at all on the Nats' roster this season considering that the worry before the year was too many outfielders, not too few.  The fact that there are three outfielders who are clearly better than he is on the DL for long stretches (counting Robles) is what's led to this, but it doesn't change the reality that even despite that there are still three better options in LF.  When you're in the boat of being a leftfielder stuck behind thirtysomething backup infielders for playing time at your position, you shouldn't expect to decline an outright assignment and get picked up.

Cheers Elvir - that's a really clear summary.

 

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2018, 01:02:09 pm »
Part of it is that Sierra did have a very good spring training, and for the first few games he started for the Nats, he hit the ball well.  So, that's how he got on the roster, and then made a great first impression.  At this point, he's on the roster because they need a warm body.  The Nats have decent to good talent in the lower levels of the system, but except for Robles, there isn't anyone ready for a full-time promotion.  I think Stevenson will make a decent #4 outfielder one day, but he isn't quite there yet and is young enough for that not to be a problem.  Bautista has been called up a few times, but he's younger and farther behind in development than Stevenson. 

The Nats are also back in the situation where they have multiple 1st basemen who all need steady at bats, and left field is where they go. 

In a perfect world where no one else gets dinged up in the next few months, this would be my set of roster moves, in order I think guys will come back.

1 - Zimmerman back, bullpen goes to 7 with Torres gone.
2 - Goodwin back, Sierra gone
3 - Grace back, Gott gone
4 - Murphy back, Reynolds or Stevenson gone. 
5 - Weiters back, Kieboom gone
6 - Eaton back, who knows who goes.

Since the chances of this happening are near zero, expect to see Gott and Stevenson around for a good part of the season. 

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« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2018, 01:10:49 pm »
Part of it is that Sierra did have a very good spring training, and for the first few games he started for the Nats, he hit the ball well.  So, that's how he got on the roster, and then made a great first impression.  At this point, he's on the roster because they need a warm body.  The Nats have decent to good talent in the lower levels of the system, but except for Robles, there isn't anyone ready for a full-time promotion.  I think Stevenson will make a decent #4 outfielder one day, but he isn't quite there yet and is young enough for that not to be a problem.  Bautista has been called up a few times, but he's younger and farther behind in development than Stevenson. 

The Nats are also back in the situation where they have multiple 1st basemen who all need steady at bats, and left field is where they go. 

In a perfect world where no one else gets dinged up in the next few months, this would be my set of roster moves, in order I think guys will come back.

1 - Zimmerman back, bullpen goes to 7 with Torres gone.
2 - Goodwin back, Sierra gone
3 - Grace back, Gott gone
4 - Murphy back, Reynolds or Stevenson gone. 
5 - Weiters back, Kieboom gone
6 - Eaton back, who knows who goes.

Since the chances of this happening are near zero, expect to see Gott and Stevenson around for a good part of the season.

Bautista is more than a year older than Stevenson.

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Re: Mark Reynolds
« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2018, 03:30:38 pm »
Yep, Bautista is 1 year, 3 months older.  My mistake.  So, he's older yet behind Stevenson in development.

I think Stevenson is playing pretty well for a guy who's about to turn 24 and has less than 3 years of pro experience.  He and Koda Glover made it up fast for being drafted in 2015.  I don't think anyone else from that draft class is close to making it to the show.

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« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2018, 08:52:16 pm »
Yep, Bautista is 1 year, 3 months older.  My mistake.  So, he's older yet behind Stevenson in development.

I think Stevenson is playing pretty well for a guy who's about to turn 24 and has less than 3 years of pro experience.  He and Koda Glover made it up fast for being drafted in 2015.  I don't think anyone else from that draft class is close to making it to the show.

Well, Max Schrock is hitting .315 in AAA, but he was traded several years ago.