Author Topic: 2018 bullpen (Read 44583 times)

catocony · « **Reply #400 on:** July 29, 2018, 10:31:08 am »

Quote from: Slateman on July 29, 2018, 07:57:32 am

Herrera and Melancon have not stunk here. No one else you mentioned should be considered a top bullpen arm

Melancon was great. Herrera has been okay. The rest are/were way past their primes when they came here.

Jeff in Gaithersburg · « **Reply #401 on:** July 29, 2018, 04:32:30 pm »

Quote from: Expos on July 29, 2018, 01:00:23 am

Jonathan Papelbon
Mark Melancon
Kelvin Hererra
Yusmerio Petit
Shawn Kelly
Joe Blanton
Rafael Soriano
Oliver Perez
Casey Janssen

It just seems we bring in these arms and they stink as soon as they get here.

Melancon was great for the short time he was here. Kelley has been really good when healthy but I wouldn't call him a "top" arm when they got him. The others on that list were either average relievers or well past their prime. Crapelbon was done before we traded for him. Had nothing left.

Expos · « **Reply #402 on:** July 31, 2018, 10:21:21 pm »

Is there a reason Shawn Kelly is still on this team?

Slateman · « **Reply #403 on:** July 31, 2018, 10:24:46 pm »

Quote from: Expos on July 31, 2018, 10:21:21 pm

Is there a reason Shawn Kelly is still on this team?

Because going into tonigh, he'd given up 1 run the entire month.

I wanna know why he was upset.

imref · « **Reply #404 on:** July 31, 2018, 11:20:38 pm »

Quote from: Expos on July 31, 2018, 10:21:21 pm

Is there a reason Shawn Kelly is still on this team?

with a 20+ lead I'd imagine you are just throwing over the plate to try and get fly and ground balls, so you are bound to give up runs.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #405 on:** August 01, 2018, 09:49:55 am »

Shawn Kelley DFA'd.

GburgNatsFan · « **Reply #406 on:** August 01, 2018, 09:53:12 am »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on August 01, 2018, 09:49:55 am

Shawn Kelley DFA'd.

Well. That was fast. Another leaker?

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/nationals-designate-shawn-kelley-select-jimmy-cordero.html

Slateman · « **Reply #407 on:** August 01, 2018, 09:57:09 am »

Yea, I'm betting it was more than just his issues with the umpires.

Greg_SRT · « **Reply #408 on:** August 01, 2018, 09:59:19 am »

We are better without both of them honestly.

They may go to another team and be lights out. But they at least need a change of location. Best of luck.

spidernat · « **Reply #409 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:01:09 am »

It was well overdue

Slateman · « **Reply #410 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:03:38 am »

Quote from: spidernat on August 01, 2018, 10:01:09 am

It was well overdue

Maybe, but two things:

1. I don't know that we have a better replacement
2. He was actually doing well the last couple months. Since June 1, he had a 2.82 ERA, was striking out 8 hitters per 9, and had greatly reduced his walks.

nfotiu · « **Reply #411 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:04:59 am »

Wow, Rizzo isn't messing around right now.

imref · « **Reply #412 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:05:43 am »

Jimmy Cordero > Kelley

UMDNats · « **Reply #413 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:08:32 am »

Man, Rizzo sending a message yesterday and today.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #414 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:09:08 am »

Quote from: imref on August 01, 2018, 10:05:43 am

Jimmy Cordero > Kelley

If he does well for the remainder of the season will we be allowed to call him Chief.

Slateman · « **Reply #415 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:10:01 am »

Quote from: nfotiu on August 01, 2018, 10:04:59 am

Wow, Rizzo isn't messing around right now.

Had to bide his time until the deadline in case he needed to deal players. Plus, if he makes examples of the role players, then maybe the "stars" will stay in line.

Greg_SRT · « **Reply #416 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:10:09 am »

Quote from: Slateman on August 01, 2018, 10:03:38 am

Maybe, but two things:

1. I don't know that we have a better replacement
2. He was actually doing well the last couple months. Since June 1, he had a 2.82 ERA, was striking out 8 hitters per 9, and had greatly reduced his walks.

Then another team should be happy to pick him up.

When you leave a game angry, throwing fits and shooting looks into the dugout when you are up by 20+ freaking runs... you are telling everyone in the organization who is your #1 concern.

If we are gonna make our run, limiting selfishness is a good thing.

Slateman · « **Reply #417 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:10:23 am »

Quote from: imref on August 01, 2018, 10:05:43 am

Jimmy Cordero > Kelley

Might big claim for a guy with a 4.5 BB/9 this season.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #418 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:13:03 am »

Quote from: GburgNatsFan on August 01, 2018, 09:53:12 am

Well. That was fast. Another leaker?

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/nationals-designate-shawn-kelley-select-jimmy-cordero.html

The Nats have more leakers than the White House and Congress.

Greg_SRT · « **Reply #419 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:14:21 am »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on August 01, 2018, 10:13:03 am

The Nats have more leakers than the White House and Congress.

Fewer now.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #420 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:18:53 am »

Quote from: Greg_SRT on August 01, 2018, 10:14:21 am

Fewer now.

When there is important gossip to spread more will come forward.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #421 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:20:05 am »

Quote from: Greg_SRT on August 01, 2018, 10:10:09 am

Then another team should be happy to pick him up.

When you leave a game angry, throwing fits and shooting looks into the dugout when you are up by 20+ freaking runs... you are telling everyone in the organization who is your #1 concern.

If we are gonna make our run, limiting selfishness is a good thing.

Yea. That was just ridiculous stuff. Just get the ball back and throw another pitch.

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #422 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:20:41 am »

Addition by subtraction apparently.

UMDNats · « **Reply #423 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:28:07 am »

Willing to bet there was more going on than just this incident and this was just the tipping point. Kelley's been more than serviceable for a little while so gotta be more behind the scenes.

bluestreak · « **Reply #424 on:** August 01, 2018, 10:37:12 am »

Yeah. If you have stuck with the guy this long, it makes very little sense to DFA him now that he has started to pitch well unless there were clubhouse issues.