NL East (2018)

[EXILAR]

Uh .... that's literally deGrom's entire season.
Because they didnt plan for it. Trading a star like that needs a lot of scouting.

Whether they plan for it or not, I'm pretty sure deGrom wanted the trade so he could get the hell outta there.

[nfotiu]

The Phillies only have three challenging series remaining for the rest of the season.

Are the five series against us and the braves cake walks?   I count 4-5 series on top of those that will be tough to win

[bluestreak]

Never could understand why they didn't trade him. Not like they're going anywhere so might as well start the rebuilding process

Their GM is out in medical leave and they have a three headed team running things. Didn’t want to leave a franchise altering move to that. Will likely move in off-season.

[Slateman]

Are the five series against us and the braves cake walks?   I count 4-5 series on top of those that will be tough to win

Against the Nats? Yes. I think the Braves are fading. I was surprised they didnt get another starting pitcher, like JA Happ.

[Slateman]

Their GM is out in medical leave and they have a three headed team running things. Didn’t want to leave a franchise altering move to that. Will likely move in off-season.

Yep. Itll be similar to the Sale deal. Lot of scouting and someone is going to have to cough up a big prospect. My money is on the Braves,  particularly if Riley finishes strong.

[mixedmutt]

The braves just picked up gausman, they are done acquiring SPs, they've got a logjam to clear out there as it is, MAYBE they pick up degrom if they are able to move julio, but even then I doubt it, AA seems pretty set on not trading any top 20 prospects. And even before they picked up gausman, he said he felt no pressure to add to the rotation and felt perfectly comfortable fleshing it out from within.

[Natsinpwc]

Yep. Itll be similar to the Sale deal. Lot of scouting and someone is going to have to cough up a big prospect. My money is on the Braves,  particularly if Riley finishes strong.

They are not going to move him to a team in the same division.

[Slateman]

They are not going to move him to a team in the same division.

Then they're idiots. The best farm depth is in their division. It's also the only team with a top 5 farm system that is going to compete in 2 years. The other teams with a 60+ prospect to headline the deal are years from competing, or are in their division. Maybe Cincy if they're willing to part with Senzel.

Not sure who else is going to give up a lot. I suppose they could take quantity over quality, but even then, not too many teams have that kind of depth either.

Then again, the Mets are prone to freaking up, so they'll probably trade him to the Yanks for Florial and a bad catching prospect

[EXILAR]

They are not going to move him to a team in the same division.

This is the Mets we're talking about. As I recalled, they already traded a player (Cabrera) in the same division this past month. If the Barves make a top offer involving their prospects, the Mets would be too damn stupid to turn it down. Though I see him going to an A.L team anyway. 

[Natsinpwc]

This is the Mets we're talking about. As I recalled, they already traded a player (Cabrera) in the same division this past month. If the Barves make a top offer involving their prospects, the Mets would be too damn stupid to turn it down. Though I see him going to an A.L team anyway.

Cabrera is a Phillies rental for the rest of the year. He is not one of the premier pitchers in the game who might be dominant for several years.

[Slateman]

They've won 7 out of their last 10.

They've gained half a game on the Phillies.

[Air Desmond]

Nats have 9 games vs the Phillies left. 7 games vs the Braves. That’s where the division will be won/lost.

[NatsAllThe Way]

Nats have 9 games vs the Phillies left. 7 games vs the Braves. That’s where the division will be won/lost.

.  Won!

[Smithian]

Nats have 9 games vs the Phillies left. 7 games vs the Braves. That’s where the division will be won/lost.

Yes.

The Nats have to win more than they lose outside those series, but we have to at minimum put up winning records against both of them or this push won't end happily.

[HalfSmokes]

Yes.

The Nats have to win more than they lose outside those series, but we have to at minimum put up winning records against both of them or this push won't end happily.

It’ll take more than winning records, I would think something near to a sweep unless one of them starts really falling off

[Slateman]

It’ll take more than winning records, I would think something near to a sweep unless one of them starts really falling off

Correct. They are basically in the position where they have to sweep at least two of their head to head series.

[nfotiu]

Where's any evidence to base that the Phillies are going to finish on a tear, and not continue their .500-.550 play they've been at for a while?  Beating up on the Marlins at home is not very convincing.  They lost 4 of 5 before that including 3 against the Reds.  They've struggled on the road, and have a 6 game west coast trip starting tomorrow that they'll probably going 2-4 or 3-3.   

[Natsinpwc]

Where's any evidence to base that the Phillies are going to finish on a tear, and not continue their .500-.550 play they've been at for a while?  Beating up on the Marlins at home is not very convincing.  They lost 4 of 5 before that including 3 against the Reds.  They've struggled on the road, and have a 6 game west coast trip starting tomorrow that they'll probably going 2-4 or 3-3.

You never know--they also beat the Dodgers 2 of 3 recently at home and split with the Red Sox in Boston.  Their major fail was losing 3 of 4 to the Reds.

[Slateman]

Where's any evidence to base that the Phillies are going to finish on a tear, and not continue their .500-.550 play they've been at for a while?  Beating up on the Marlins at home is not very convincing.  They lost 4 of 5 before that including 3 against the Reds.  They've struggled on the road, and have a 6 game west coast trip starting tomorrow that they'll probably going 2-4 or 3-3.   

They've been playing .500-.550 ball for a awhile now.

[bluestreak]

They've been playing .500-.550 ball for a awhile now.

You’re agreeing with him then...

[Slateman]

You’re agreeing with him then...

You all don't understand. They're playing .500-.550 ball, and it's taken a .700 win percentage to gain half a game.

What's more likely? This team playins .700+ from here on out, or that the Phillies go .500?

[nfotiu]

You all don't understand. They're playing .500-.550 ball, and it's taken a .700 win percentage to gain half a game.

What's more likely? This team playins .700+ from here on out, or that the Phillies go .500?

If you go back 10 games for both teams, we gained a full game.  Alternating 6 or 7 wins over 10 game spans for the rest of the year gets us in easy.

[Slateman]

If you go back 10 games for both teams, we gained a full game.  Alternating 6 or 7 wins over 10 game spans for the rest of the year gets us in easy.

10 games ago was July 26. After all the games played, the Nats were 6 games back.

[bluestreak]

10 games ago was July 26. After all the games played, the Nats were 6 games back.

We get it, you don’t think the Nats will win. If it’s such a sure thing, put your money where your mouth is.

http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=36698.0

But of course you won’t...

[nfotiu]

A sweep is a tall order, but if we manged to win all 4 against the Braves, we'll be at worst 2.5 out of a playoff spot.  Likely, less than 2.  And if we go 3-1, we're at worst 3.5 out of a playoff spot, and probably 2.5 or 3.