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Offline DCFan

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #300 on: May 12, 2018, 11:50:43 am »
We can't see the future but Max hasn't had the "it's a bad contract" talk yet.

Have you met VaRK yet?  :mg:

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« Reply #301 on: May 15, 2018, 04:54:12 pm »
Jamal Collier, following today’s pregame press conference (lots of NY media there for the matchup with the Yankees)

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Bryce Harper didn’t bite on any questions about his future and the Yankees. “I’m a National,” he said.


Which obviously doesn’t mean he is guaranteed to be a National forever, but a girl can dream.

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« Reply #302 on: May 15, 2018, 05:01:19 pm »
i don't see how or why the yankees would go after him when stanton is guaranteed $300 million and judge looks like a franchise player as well. his options are DC, philly, chicago IMO. maybe LA.

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« Reply #303 on: May 15, 2018, 05:02:45 pm »
Going to an NL East rival is the scary option to me.

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« Reply #304 on: May 15, 2018, 05:17:45 pm »
Jorge Castillo:

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Bryce Harper hit a ball off the “This Bud’s For You” sign in left-center field. It was crushed. Exit velocity off the charts. Solid launch angle. Really far.




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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #305 on: May 15, 2018, 05:30:07 pm »
We can't see the future but Max hasn't had the "it's a bad contract" talk yet. Idk if he will.

But if you give Harper $40m over 10, good chance it will be seen at some point to be a bad idea. Holds a team back at some point mindset.

It’s been the exact opposite. Some folks are saying this may be one of the best free agent signings ever Although I think Randy Johnson to Arizona was better.

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« Reply #306 on: May 15, 2018, 05:40:07 pm »
We can't see the future but Max hasn't had the "it's a bad contract" talk yet. Idk if he will.

But if you give Harper $40m over 10, good chance it will be seen at some point to be a bad idea. Holds a team back at some point mindset.

Um, look at some of these quotes from August 2015 http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=32692.125

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« Reply #307 on: May 15, 2018, 05:50:34 pm »
Um, look at some of these quotes from August 2015 http://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=32692.125

At least VaRK and Slate have been consistent. Despite an intervening *2* Cy Young Awards.

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« Reply #308 on: May 15, 2018, 06:34:32 pm »
Quote from: bluestreak link=topic=35871.msg1946562#msg1946562 dated=1526421034
At least VaRK and Slate have been consistent. Despite an intervening *2* Cy Young Awards.

...and no postseason wins...

That's what we are paying for...not some ego boosting piece of personal hardware...

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« Reply #309 on: May 15, 2018, 08:30:33 pm »
...and no postseason wins...

That's what we are paying for...not some ego boosting piece of personal hardware...

Well you’re paying for regular season wins. He definitely has provided those. And I mean real wins. Not the meaningless win statistic.

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« Reply #310 on: May 15, 2018, 08:57:36 pm »
Well you’re paying for regular season wins. He definitely has provided those. And I mean real wins. Not the meaningless win statistic.

I want playoff wins...he has not delivered...

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« Reply #311 on: May 15, 2018, 10:34:38 pm »
Well you’re paying for regular season wins. He definitely has provided those. And I mean real wins. Not the meaningless win statistic.

No, we're not. We're paying for elite performance. That includes the playoffs.

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« Reply #312 on: May 15, 2018, 10:55:43 pm »
I want playoff wins...he has not delivered...

Max never should have been given that long a leash in relief, or even used in relief in the first place. In the 2017 NLDS game 3 where Max was used in the role for which he had been trained and prepared all season, he carried a no-hitter through 6 and left with a lead but his offense could not score more than one run. That’s not on him. That’s on the offense. The offense got completely shut out in Game 1. If they’d won either of these missed opportunities, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Max absolutely set the team up to win game 3 but he can’t make them hit the ball.

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« Reply #313 on: May 16, 2018, 09:20:35 am »
Max never should have been given that long a leash in relief, or even used in relief in the first place. In the 2017 NLDS game 3 where Max was used in the role for which he had been trained and prepared all season, he carried a no-hitter through 6 and left with a lead but his offense could not score more than one run. That’s not on him. That’s on the offense. The offense got completely shut out in Game 1. If they’d won either of these missed opportunities, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Max absolutely set the team up to win game 3 but he can’t make them hit the ball.

Look, I don't know what the hell sport you're watching, but in Major League Baseball, pitchers are Sorcerer Kings, capable of raining down bolts of lightning, blessing their team with divine zeal, and use voodoo magic to control the physical actions of the batters at the plate. It's 100% on Max that he didn't magic it up as well as he is paid to do.

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« Reply #314 on: May 16, 2018, 09:25:09 am »
We need a tongue-in-cheek icon. :)

Look, I don't know what the hell sport you're watching, but in Major League Baseball, pitchers are Sorcerer Kings, capable of raining down bolts of lightning, blessing their team with divine zeal, and use voodoo magic to control the physical actions of the batters at the plate. It's 100% on Max that he didn't magic it up as well as he is paid to do.

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« Reply #315 on: May 16, 2018, 09:26:33 am »
To me, the Harper contract is not about how much he'll get, but what the difference between his contract and Manny Machado's will be.

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« Reply #316 on: May 16, 2018, 09:26:44 am »
Look, I don't know what the hell sport you're watching, but in Major League Baseball, pitchers are Sorcerer Kings, capable of raining down bolts of lightning, blessing their team with divine zeal, and use voodoo magic to control the physical actions of the batters at the plate. It's 100% on Max that he didn't magic it up as well as he is paid to do.

As long as they only rain down bolts of lightning when we have a lead after the end of the 5th inning.

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #317 on: May 16, 2018, 09:30:21 am »
Look, I don't know what the hell sport you're watching, but in Major League Baseball, pitchers are Sorcerer Kings, capable of raining down bolts of lightning, blessing their team with divine zeal, and use voodoo magic to control the physical actions of the batters at the plate. It's 100% on Max that he didn't magic it up as well as he is paid to do.

It's Max's fault he has a 3.72 ERA in the playoffs as a National.

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« Reply #318 on: May 16, 2018, 09:33:23 am »
Max never should have been given that long a leash in relief, or even used in relief in the first place. In the 2017 NLDS game 3 where Max was used in the role for which he had been trained and prepared all season, he carried a no-hitter through 6 and left with a lead but his offense could not score more than one run. That’s not on him. That’s on the offense. The offense got completely shut out in Game 1. If they’d won either of these missed opportunities, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Max absolutely set the team up to win game 3 but he can’t make them hit the ball.

Max only lasting 6 1/3 is not exactly the Max Scherzer that we all know and love in the spring and early summer.

He was obviously not 100%, but tried to push through it the best he could.  Scherzer and Harper not being 100% fully recovered from their injuries was probably the biggest reason we didn't win that series.   

Strasburg's strategy of taking a month off in the middle of summer and ramping up to the playoffs seemed to work well.   Maybe they both need to do that this year.   I'm kind of kidding, but it just doesn't seem possible to pitch deep into games over the 162 game season and the playoffs without breaking down at some point.

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« Reply #319 on: May 16, 2018, 09:34:13 am »
It's Max's fault he has a 3.72 ERA in the playoffs as a National.

The only stat that counts is wins.

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #320 on: May 16, 2018, 09:34:53 am »
The only stat that counts is wins.

He has none as a Washington National in the postseason. In fact, the Nationals have never won a postseason game in which he appeared.

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« Reply #321 on: May 16, 2018, 09:36:34 am »
He has none as a Washington National in the postseason. In fact, the Nationals have never won a postseason game in which he appeared.

Holy crap.

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« Reply #322 on: May 16, 2018, 09:55:28 am »
He has none as a Washington National in the postseason. In fact, the Nationals have never won a postseason game in which he appeared.
The Nationals have never won a playoff series in which anyone has appeared.

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« Reply #323 on: May 16, 2018, 09:56:27 am »
Max only lasting 6 1/3 is not exactly the Max Scherzer that we all know and love in the spring and early summer.

He was obviously not 100%, but tried to push through it the best he could.  Scherzer and Harper not being 100% fully recovered from their injuries was probably the biggest reason we didn't win that series.   

Strasburg's strategy of taking a month off in the middle of summer and ramping up to the playoffs seemed to work well.   Maybe they both need to do that this year.   I'm kind of kidding, but it just doesn't seem possible to pitch deep into games over the 162 game season and the playoffs without breaking down at some point.
The 10 day DL is perfect for resting for a start or two.

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #324 on: May 16, 2018, 11:51:50 am »
The mets have gone to the extreme in protecting their pitchers. It seems their pitchers never go more than 5. Sometimes only going 4. Taking deGrom out after 1 inning the other day because he threw 45 pitches shows how paranoid they've gotten about injuries.