Author Topic: What to trade? (Read 69949 times)

imref · « **Reply #275 on:** June 22, 2018, 03:26:38 pm »

Guessing that means the conversation started and ended with Soto?

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #276 on:** June 22, 2018, 03:28:30 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on June 22, 2018, 03:26:05 pm

Rizzo saying their going with Wieters tells me he's close-ish to returning.

Quick, someone get Tonya Harding's husband and his friend to pay a visit.

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #277 on:** June 22, 2018, 03:37:31 pm »

I think Ramos is really somebody to watch for us.

Greg_SRT · « **Reply #278 on:** June 22, 2018, 03:54:57 pm »

Offer Harper 6/180 or 10/300. He will have opt outs after 3 anyway. If you can extend Harper, trade Robles.

spidernat · « **Reply #279 on:** June 22, 2018, 06:05:19 pm »

Or convert Robles to catcher?

Greg_SRT · « **Reply #280 on:** June 22, 2018, 06:28:56 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on June 22, 2018, 06:05:19 pm

Or convert Robles to catcher?

Already suggested Soto as catcher.

At this rate we will have more catchers than outfielders

Truconfidence · « **Reply #281 on:** June 22, 2018, 06:31:23 pm »

Quote from: Greg_SRT on June 22, 2018, 03:54:57 pm

Offer Harper 6/180 or 10/300. He will have opt outs after 3 anyway. If you can extend Harper, trade Robles.

I would trade everyone else and keep Robles. Eaton and Taylor maybe keep Goodwin.

hotshot · « **Reply #282 on:** June 23, 2018, 08:36:46 am »

Someone has to catch instead of Severino. He's a basket-case at this point offensively. And the Nats other "hitters" can't carry him, that's for sure.

Greg_SRT · « **Reply #283 on:** June 23, 2018, 08:50:03 am »

Quote from: hotshot on June 23, 2018, 08:36:46 am

Someone has to catch instead of Severino. He's a basket-case at this point offensively. And the Nats other "hitters" can't carry him, that's for sure.

To be fair, plenty of teams win without getting production from the catcher offensively. It’s the other 7 that need to step up. If we had JT, we’d still have a getting them home problem.

Ray D · « **Reply #284 on:** June 23, 2018, 12:33:21 pm »

Quote from: Greg_SRT on June 22, 2018, 03:54:57 pm

Offer Harper 6/180 or 10/300. He will have opt outs after 3 anyway. If you can extend Harper, trade Robles.

I don't understand the argument for offering him a long term contract because he'll opt out after a few years anyway. What if he doesn't opt out and we're stuck with him for 10 years @ $30M/year. What if this is the real Harper we're seeing now. Offer him two years. Three maybe. If he declines, let him walk.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #285 on:** June 23, 2018, 12:35:49 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on June 23, 2018, 12:33:21 pm

I don't understand the argument for offering him a long term contract because he'll opt out after a few years anyway. What if he doesn't opt out and we're stuck with him for 10 years @ $30M/year. What if this is the real Harper we're seeing now. Offer him two years. Three maybe. If he declines, let him walk.

opt outs let you pay him less for his early years because it offers the player both security on the down side and more money on the upside. Team makes out like a bandit if he plays well enough to opt out.

RichMinSC · « **Reply #286 on:** June 23, 2018, 05:14:49 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on June 23, 2018, 12:33:21 pm

I don't understand the argument for offering him a long term contract because he'll opt out after a few years anyway. What if he doesn't opt out and we're stuck with him for 10 years @ $30M/year. What if this is the real Harper we're seeing now. Offer him two years. Three maybe. If he declines, let him walk.

this team is going nowhere this year trade him

Slateman · « **Reply #287 on:** June 23, 2018, 05:48:32 pm »

Quote from: RichMinSC on June 23, 2018, 05:14:49 pm

this team is going nowhere this year trade him

If you're trading Harper, you're punting the next three seasons. May as well package Scherzer, Strasburg, Rendon, and Turner

RichMinSC · « **Reply #288 on:** June 23, 2018, 05:56:49 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on June 23, 2018, 05:48:32 pm

If you're trading Harper, you're punting the next three seasons. May as well package Scherzer, Strasburg, Rendon, and Turner

wrong---------- we aren't going to have him those 3 years anyway-------- get something for him since he isn't going to help win a world series this year

Irrefutable · « **Reply #289 on:** June 24, 2018, 11:58:46 pm »

Find a rental catcher from this list; who do you want or think is possible?

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/catcher/

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #290 on:** June 25, 2018, 08:34:37 am »

Quote from: Irrefutable on June 24, 2018, 11:58:46 pm

Find a rental catcher from this list; who do you want or think is possible?

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/catcher/

Lucroy and Ramos jump off the list. Maldonado might be another available one that may make some sense at a low cost, but probably only if Wieters is unavailable. As for the rest, most are with contenders (Suzuki, Flowers, etc...) or do not wow me (Mesoraco).

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #291 on:** June 26, 2018, 11:01:24 am »

I think Ramos is a perfect fit. In theory when everybody is healthy and doing what they should, we have enough offense. But that's just in theory. Severino can't hit a lick at this point in his career, so we NEED Ramos bat. Wieters isn't the answer. How much would Tampa really want for Ramos? How many contenders need a catcher? I doubt we'd have to give up even what we gave up for Herrera.

imref · « **Reply #292 on:** June 26, 2018, 11:03:09 am »

tampa is 9.5 back in the WC, and 14 back in the division, they need a fire sale!

nfotiu · « **Reply #293 on:** June 26, 2018, 11:22:16 am »

Quote from: imref on June 26, 2018, 11:03:09 am

tampa is 9.5 back in the WC, and 14 back in the division, they need a fire sale!

Can we get that pitcher from last night too?

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #294 on:** June 26, 2018, 11:24:48 am »

Does the fact that Ramos provides virtually nothing defensively concern anyone? I think the offense will be fine as Murphy and Eaton continue to settle in. I think I'd rather have the better defense that Severino, Keiboom and Wieters bring. I'd think I'd go for Lucroy before I'd go for Ramos.

nfotiu · « **Reply #295 on:** June 26, 2018, 11:35:59 am »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on June 26, 2018, 11:24:48 am

Does the fact that Ramos provides virtually nothing defensively concern anyone? I think the offense will be fine as Murphy and Eaton continue to settle in. I think I'd rather have the better defense that Severino, Keiboom and Wieters bring. I'd think I'd go for Lucroy before I'd go for Ramos.

I thought I remembered Ramos became quite good at throwing out runners by his last season or two here. I know he sucks at catching the ball at plays home, but not sure that happens often enough to matter or if he still sucks at that.

I remember him being decent at blocking pitches and calling games. Not sure about framing.

What exactly is he bad at defensively? I feel like he was a better overall catcher than Wieters was.

RichMinSC · « **Reply #296 on:** June 26, 2018, 12:02:37 pm »

Quote from: nfotiu on June 26, 2018, 11:35:59 am

I thought I remembered Ramos became quite good at throwing out runners by his last season or two here. I know he sucks at catching the ball at plays home, but not sure that happens often enough to matter or if he still sucks at that.

I remember him being decent at blocking pitches and calling games. Not sure about framing.

What exactly is he bad at defensively? I feel like he was a better overall catcher than Wieters was.

Wieters ha sthe worst footwork for a catcher at this level i have ever seen

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #297 on:** June 26, 2018, 12:14:13 pm »

Quote from: nfotiu on June 26, 2018, 11:35:59 am

I thought I remembered Ramos became quite good at throwing out runners by his last season or two here. I know he sucks at catching the ball at plays home, but not sure that happens often enough to matter or if he still sucks at that.

I remember him being decent at blocking pitches and calling games. Not sure about framing.

What exactly is he bad at defensively? I feel like he was a better overall catcher than Wieters was.

Well, Ramos certainly isn't throwing runners out. He's 3/25 in that category. Wieters was 9/18. Sevi is 12/36 and Kieboom is 5/9. Kieboom and Wieters have only 1 passed ball between them. Sevi has 4. Ramos has 5. There's a lot more nuance to all this, I'm not gonna dig into it that far. Ramos is the best offensive option at the spot.

hotshot · « **Reply #298 on:** June 26, 2018, 12:14:47 pm »

Quote from: nfotiu on June 26, 2018, 11:22:16 am

Can we get that pitcher from last night too?

Impressive! Looked like Scherzer minus Max's HR "problem." Then again, he was facing the toothless Nats.

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #299 on:** June 26, 2018, 12:21:19 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on June 26, 2018, 12:14:13 pm

Well, Ramos certainly isn't throwing runners out. He's 3/25 in that category. Wieters was 9/18. Sevi is 12/36 and Kieboom is 5/9. Kieboom and Wieters have only 1 passed ball between them. Sevi has 4. Ramos has 5. There's a lot more nuance to all this, I'm not gonna dig into it that far. Ramos is the best offensive option at the spot.

Ramos is so vastly superior offensively to what we have that Sevi would have to be the greatest defensive catcher of all-time to make up the overall value difference. Wieters isn't particularly good defensively or offensively.