Author Topic: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision. (Read 159378 times)

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #2500 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:04:45 pm »

Quote from: houston-nat on October 05, 2015, 12:56:36 pm

Rizzo has had a great tenure

In 2011, you could say that, in 2012, it was absolutely true, but he's been here six years and the team is consistently mediocre (unless you want to call two first round exits bracketed by missing the playoffs entirely something else)

imref · « **Reply #2501 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:05:54 pm »

I'd bet he's got one more year. Anything less than a 90+ win season means he's gone.

OldChelsea · « **Reply #2502 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:06:25 pm »

Quote from: GburgNatsFan on October 05, 2015, 12:25:24 pm

MLB NEtwork reports that Cal Ripken Jr. is on the list.

I'd rather have Acta or Riggleman back than hand the manager's job over to a Peter Angelos flunky.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #2503 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:09:55 pm »

Quote from: OldChelsea on October 05, 2015, 01:06:25 pm

I'd rather have Acta or Riggleman back than hand the manager's job over to a Peter Angelos flunky.

It could be a fun way to thumb our noses at Angelos. Him not having any experience is off putting.

tomwvr · « **Reply #2504 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:13:18 pm »

Quote from: imref on October 05, 2015, 01:05:54 pm

I'd bet he's got one more year. Anything less than a 90+ win season means he's gone.

Yep next season better run deep in the playoffs if not getting to the World Series. Anything less and rizzo won't be back the following season. Old man learner wants a World Series win before he passes and he is not a young man

Slateman · « **Reply #2505 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:14:54 pm »

Quote from: tomwvr on October 05, 2015, 01:13:18 pm

Yep next season better run deep in the playoffs if not getting to the World Series. Anything less and rizzo won't be back the following season. Old man learner wants a World Series win before he passes and he is not a young man

The Old Man Learner will be sorely disappointed, because there is no way for a GM to actually come through on something like that.

tomterp · « **Reply #2506 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:17:04 pm »

Quote from: sizzlin on October 05, 2015, 11:30:50 am

Today is a great day to be a Nats fan.

Not for me, this was already a foregone conclusion so it's no biggy.

tomterp · « **Reply #2507 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:19:12 pm »

Quote from: houston-nat on October 05, 2015, 11:59:21 am

Knorr, McCatty, Tarasco, etc. will find great jobs elsewhere.

Some of them may be allowed to interview with the incoming manager.

dracnal · « **Reply #2508 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:19:38 pm »

Quote from: tomterp on October 05, 2015, 01:17:04 pm

Not for me, this was already a foregone conclusion so it's no biggy.

Getting lucky on your wedding night is a foregone conclusion. Doesn't mean it's not something to be happy about.

monkeyhit · « **Reply #2509 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:24:03 pm »

Quote from: RobDibblesGhost on October 05, 2015, 11:48:01 am

Chase Hughes ‏@chasehughesCSN · 2m2 minutes ago
#Nats announce they have let their entire coaching staff go. Knorr, McCatty, Schu, Henley, Tarasco, LeCroy, Weidemaier, all gone.

They haven't dumped the Clubhouse Coach (self-appointed). Salary too high, I guess. Until he's gone, the stench remains.

RobDibblesGhost · « **Reply #2510 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:25:16 pm »

Mark Zuckerman ‏@ZuckermanCSN · 2m2 minutes ago
Rizzo says he spoke to several players to get their input over last few days, wouldn't divulge what their opinions were.

PC · « **Reply #2511 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:28:11 pm »

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 23m23 minutes ago

#Nationals, by firing entire staff, showed they learned from one mistake. Allowed Williams to hire only one coach: Weidemaier. Not ideal.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 22m22 minutes ago

Not saying coaches were #Nationals’ problem; they had some good ones. But a manager needs confidants on his staff.

varoadking · « **Reply #2512 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:32:15 pm »

Anybody know what Williams made? Gotta think he was here on the cheap and that made it easy for Rizzo to hire him, extend him, and ultimately fire him.

PC · « **Reply #2513 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:35:20 pm »

Quote from: varoadking on October 05, 2015, 01:32:15 pm

Anybody know what Williams made? Gotta think he was here on the cheap ~~and that made it easy for Rizzo to hire him, extend him, and ultimately fire him.~~

....because, the Lerners.

ZIM4MVP · « **Reply #2514 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:49:32 pm »

Quote from: varoadking on October 05, 2015, 01:32:15 pm

Anybody know what Williams made?

several bad decisions.

WhiteWhale · « **Reply #2515 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:55:31 pm »

Quote from: ZIM4MVP on October 05, 2015, 01:49:32 pm

several bad decisions.

Vega · « **Reply #2516 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:58:39 pm »

Quote from: WhiteWhale on October 05, 2015, 01:55:31 pm

Slateman · « **Reply #2517 on:** October 05, 2015, 01:59:18 pm »

Quote from: RobDibblesGhost on October 05, 2015, 11:48:01 am

Chase Hughes ‏@chasehughesCSN · 2m2 minutes ago
#Nats announce they have let their entire coaching staff go. Knorr, McCatty, Schu, Henley, Tarasco, LeCroy, Weidemaier, all gone.

Red Wedding up in this nag

3bside · « **Reply #2518 on:** October 05, 2015, 02:20:17 pm »

Quote from: varoadking on October 05, 2015, 01:32:15 pm

Anybody know what Williams made? Gotta think he was here on the cheap and that made it easy for Rizzo to hire him, extend him, and ultimately fire him.

Probably considerably less than the $5 million they paid McLouth this year.

whytev · « **Reply #2519 on:** October 05, 2015, 02:49:50 pm »

Quote from: imref on October 05, 2015, 12:38:17 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/nationals-journal/wp/2015/10/05/seven-decisions-that-doomed-matt-williams/

all but pulling JZ are head-scratchers.

Just read this. 7 decisions. 6 were pitching decisions.

imref · « **Reply #2520 on:** October 05, 2015, 02:50:58 pm »

Quote from: whytev on October 05, 2015, 02:49:50 pm

Just read this. 7 decisions. 6 were pitching decisions.

and that list didn't include the 'standard decision' of batting your pitcher in the 6th, with runners on base, when he was already at ~90 pitches.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #2521 on:** October 05, 2015, 02:51:40 pm »

Quote from: imref on October 05, 2015, 02:50:58 pm

and that list didn't include the 'standard decision' of batting your pitcher in the 6th, with runners on base, when he was already at ~90 pitches.

don;t forget the pulling them in the 7th part

whytev · « **Reply #2522 on:** October 05, 2015, 03:04:19 pm »

Quote from: imref on October 05, 2015, 02:50:58 pm

and that list didn't include the 'standard decision' of batting your pitcher in the 6th, with runners on base, when he was already at ~90 pitches.

I think that was the game against the Mets when Ross gave up the dinger to Duda, no?

BigMeech · « **Reply #2523 on:** October 05, 2015, 03:14:51 pm »

Terry Francona.

PC · « **Reply #2524 on:** October 05, 2015, 03:15:28 pm »

I don't know how you could limit a list like that to seven. There are DOZENS of completely inexplicable decisions Williams made that contributed to this team losing games.

Last week, for example, when the team is long out of contention. Tanner Roark has already given up a homerun to AJ Pierzynski. In the sixth inning, he wants the lineup to get to Roark's spot to ph for him. It doesn't so he sends Roark back out...to face Pierzynski again and gives up another homerun which turned out to be the winning margin. That's not the worst part. Roark doesn't even finish the inning! He goes to a reliever anyway and he gets pinch hit for in the next inning.

It's September. He has how many relievers in the bullpen? He could have used 1,2,3,4,5 relievers in the inning...a lefty for Pierzynski, at least, and it wouldn't have been much of a strain and then ph for the pitcher spot in the lineup. His decision making, too often, seems to have only made sense to him.

That's my first requirement for a manager. The new manager needs to be able to make quick, in-game decisions in a constantly changing environment and be able to explain them.