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Offline ZIM4MVP

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2475 on: October 05, 2015, 12:08:41 pm »
Quote from: RobDibblesGhost on October 05, 2015, 12:07:27 pm
Damn...Curly W wasn't in the drop-down menu. Maybe it's only on the GDT board.

FIRE THE CHIEF AND HIS STAFF!!!!!!!
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Offline OldChelsea

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2476 on: October 05, 2015, 12:10:33 pm »
Season ticket renewals must really be down for the organisation to make this bold a move.
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Offline NJ Ave

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« Reply #2477 on: October 05, 2015, 12:10:46 pm »
Everyone seems to like McCatty, but I again go back to wondering how many pitchers we have that made it to the major leagues and/or came to the team and significantly IMPROVED, which would be a sign that McCatty was actually adding value.

Maybe I'm completely off base here, but there are teams like the Cardinals, Mets, and others where pitchers seem to improve upon access to their pitching coach. Maybe Clippard is a huge success story?
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Offline Traded For Mclain

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2478 on: October 05, 2015, 12:11:19 pm »
 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2479 on: October 05, 2015, 12:11:23 pm »
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Offline whytev

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2480 on: October 05, 2015, 12:15:37 pm »
Quote from: pazzo83 on October 05, 2015, 11:49:13 am
Well I guess that takes Knorr out of the running for manager.  Rough year for Knorr.

I bet he's managing a major league team on opening day.
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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2481 on: October 05, 2015, 12:16:04 pm »
Quote from: varoadking on October 05, 2015, 11:49:23 am
Gonna miss Tarasco...

Pour out some bong water for him.
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Offline ZIM4MVP

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2482 on: October 05, 2015, 12:16:35 pm »
Does MW end up on Counsell's staff in Milwaukee?  Perhaps with JZ?
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Offline GburgNatsFan

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2483 on: October 05, 2015, 12:16:49 pm »
Quote from: imref on October 05, 2015, 11:58:55 am
I'm assuming dismissing the entire staff means we're bringing in a well known established manager like a Jim Leyland who will demand the ability to choose his own staff.

Gotta be. Hopefully Rizzo will at least plant a bug in his ear about Knorr. He's one piece  of continuity that might be helpful.
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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2484 on: October 05, 2015, 12:20:54 pm »
Quote from: NJ Ave on October 05, 2015, 12:10:46 pm
Everyone seems to like McCatty, but I again go back to wondering how many pitchers we have that made it to the major leagues and/or came to the team and significantly IMPROVED, which would be a sign that McCatty was actually adding value.

Maybe I'm completely off base here, but there are teams like the Cardinals, Mets, and others where pitchers seem to improve upon access to their pitching coach. Maybe Clippard is a huge success story?
I posted something similar on the previous page. I don't remember any stories of McCatty really helping a pitcher out. Blake Treinen seems like a great example of this - if we traded him to the Cardinals, he would become an ace.
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Offline 3bside

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« Reply #2485 on: October 05, 2015, 12:22:39 pm »
This has the Lerners mark all over it.  They're mad that they spent $160 million for this team and they ordered Rizzo to clean house.
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Offline GburgNatsFan

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2486 on: October 05, 2015, 12:25:24 pm »
MLB NEtwork reports that Cal Ripken Jr. is on the list.

 :spaz:
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Offline Elvir Ovcina

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2487 on: October 05, 2015, 12:27:33 pm »
Quote from: NJ Ave on October 05, 2015, 12:10:46 pm
Everyone seems to like McCatty, but I again go back to wondering how many pitchers we have that made it to the major leagues and/or came to the team and significantly IMPROVED, which would be a sign that McCatty was actually adding value.

Maybe I'm completely off base here, but there are teams like the Cardinals, Mets, and others where pitchers seem to improve upon access to their pitching coach. Maybe Clippard is a huge success story?

You could look at it the other way, as well: how many pitchers have left the Nats and gone on to greater success elsewhere?  How many got significantly worse?  Anecdotally, McCatty didn't seem to move the needle much for either.  Sure, Edwin  Jackson sucks now, but he was worse here than he was before coming here, so it's looked like one long slide as a starter.  Detwiler maybe?  Was he ever good enough to really count for this type of thing?
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Offline mitlen

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2488 on: October 05, 2015, 12:27:50 pm »
Quote from: GburgNatsFan on October 05, 2015, 12:25:24 pm
MLB NEtwork reports that Cal Ripken Jr. is on the list.

 :spaz:

Please no.    We just got done doin' this.
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Offline ZIM4MVP

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2489 on: October 05, 2015, 12:28:01 pm »
Quote from: GburgNatsFan on October 05, 2015, 12:25:24 pm
MLB NEtwork reports that Cal Ripken Jr. is on the list.

 :spaz:

i don't think they or any media outlet had to to do much digging to release that
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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2490 on: October 05, 2015, 12:29:34 pm »
Quote from: GburgNatsFan on October 05, 2015, 12:25:24 pm
MLB NEtwork reports that Cal Ripken Jr. is on the list.

 :spaz:

i assume they are just speculating because his name came up the last time around.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2491 on: October 05, 2015, 12:38:17 pm »
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Offline UMDNats

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2492 on: October 05, 2015, 12:40:40 pm »
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Offline JMW IV

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2493 on: October 05, 2015, 12:52:51 pm »
This had to be done.

MW ridiculously underachieved with the roster he was given.

This should have been a playoff team, at the very least.
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Offline JMW IV

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2494 on: October 05, 2015, 12:53:16 pm »
Quote from: Minty Fresh on October 05, 2015, 11:49:06 am
:clap: :clap: :clap:

Wanna change the culture of losing?  Get rid of everyone.

yup.
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Offline JMW IV

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2495 on: October 05, 2015, 12:54:25 pm »
also Rizzo should be on notice at this point.

He's got no one else to shield him now.
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Offline houston-nat

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« Reply #2496 on: October 05, 2015, 12:56:36 pm »
Quote from: JMW IV on October 05, 2015, 12:54:25 pm
also Rizzo should be on notice at this point.

He's got no one else to shield him now.
Rizzo has had a great tenure, but 2016 is make or break. If 2016 breaks, he gone.
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Offline Optics

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2497 on: October 05, 2015, 12:57:42 pm »
Gimmie Ronny Gardenhire
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Offline Ray D

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2498 on: October 05, 2015, 01:00:46 pm »
Quote from: GburgNatsFan on October 05, 2015, 12:25:24 pm
MLB NEtwork reports that Cal Ripken Jr. is on the list.

 :spaz:

That would be the stupidest decision this organization has ever made.
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Offline whytev

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2499 on: October 05, 2015, 01:01:24 pm »
Quote from: houston-nat on October 05, 2015, 12:56:36 pm
Rizzo has had a great tenure, but 2016 is make or break. If 2016 breaks, he gone.

Absolutely. Nobody left to scapegoat. It's playoffs or bust for Rizzo.
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