Author Topic: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.  (Read 159622 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline PC

  • Posts: 47236
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2150 on: September 23, 2015, 10:49:48 pm »
Matt's determination of when to take out a pitcher is terrible.  So what if his fastball was still 98mph.  Most major league hitters, especially the good ones, can hit a 98 mile an hour fast ball when they know it's coming.

Clearly Machado knew that was coming.  14 of 18 pitches Max threw to him were fastballs.  Max wasn't fooling him, at all.

Offline Slateman

  • Posts: 66800
  • THE SUMMONER OF THE REVERSE JINX
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2151 on: September 24, 2015, 12:10:08 am »
Why not have 9 starters who throw 3 innings every 3 games ?

Because that would make them relievers :D

Offline stoneghost28

  • Posts: 133
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2152 on: September 24, 2015, 01:30:41 am »
I simply can't even conceive of him being back. Most of the metrics done, and analytics geeks had us winning 92-98 games, and had us winning the division by double digits. Even w/injuries, even with underperformance, the overall finish was totally and completely unacceptable. The finest minds around had this squad a virtual playoff locks, heck even unbiased computers absolutely loved them.

There is no justification whatsoever for bringing him back. As I said last fall after the colossal choke job to the Giants, when MW gave his post series interviews that night, and in the following days, it was patently obvious he had learned ABSOLUSTELY NOTHING from his mistakes. His performance this year as a manager underlined, bolded and italicized those facts. I said fire him immediately, after last year's choke job when he gave those answers in interviews, the only way he would have stood a chance of avoiding the chopping block was if I as a GM, in post 2015 meetings, understood that Matt was simply engaging in media-speak, and was fully aware of the role his decisions played in catastrophically destroying an entire season in about 72 hours of some of the worst playoff managing seen in decades.

The thought of this hack, this witless, recalcitrant, inflexible, dunderhead, getting to drive this team from the fast lane into the embankment in yet another season long, flaming, catapulting car crash of a season is simply inconceivable to me.

I actually love Rizzo, I think he's one of the finest talent scouts around in terms of the player, he rarely ever loses on trades, he's a genius on draft day, and he makes the right decisions nearly always with FA (consider that virtually all of the guys that stunk it up this year, were tactically unsigned, and we'll get draft picks for this offseason to restock the shelves). The Trea Turner/Ross trade is just the latest in a long line of brilliant deals he's made over the past half decade.

The fact that he could potentially be willing to go down with the ship because of one hair brained decision he's completely unwilling to rethink, just boggles my mind. Rizzo, you built a fantastic organization from scratch, top down and bottom up, it's outstanding. Hasn't accomplished squat yet, and the Stras sit down, don't get me started, but man, you are going to flush all this down the toilet to back Matt Freaking Williams, really?!?! Has he not proven himself completely incompetent yet? Not to you? And don't waive the Manager of the year trophy, I'm sure they voted for that before he flushed the 2014 playoffs down the toilet, and of course those kinds of awards have about as much value as the moronic gold glove awards.

Anyway, I'm just shocked. I can't even fathom how it could be even slightly possible he could come back. Tired of having idiots like Matt Williams at the wheel of so many D.C. teams. It's just painful :(.

Offline Lintyfresh85

  • Posts: 35152
  • World Champions!!!
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2153 on: September 24, 2015, 02:45:23 am »
Can't say much more than that.

Offline whytev

  • Posts: 8768
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2154 on: September 24, 2015, 02:58:00 am »
It'll be the worst. I almost can guarantee he'll be let go in mid-season after he torpedos another season with high hopes. Sometimes you have to turn a question on its head: WHAT IS THE UPSIDE OF KEEPING HIM?

What makes anyone think next year has any high hopes?

Offline whytev

  • Posts: 8768
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2155 on: September 24, 2015, 03:00:30 am »
Because that would make them relievers :D

Only 2/3 of them.

Offline mitlen

  • Posts: 66171
  • We had 'em all the way.
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2156 on: September 24, 2015, 08:54:37 am »

The thought of this hack, this witless, recalcitrant, inflexible, dunderhead, getting to drive this team from the fast lane into the embankment in yet another season long, flaming, catapulting car crash of a season is simply inconceivable to me.



I assume you're not a Williams' fan.    :)

Offline aspenbubba

  • Posts: 6103
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2157 on: September 24, 2015, 09:00:59 am »
I assume you're not a Williams' fan.    :)

Brilliant deduction Sherlock :hysterical:

Offline mitlen

  • Posts: 66171
  • We had 'em all the way.
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2158 on: September 24, 2015, 09:05:26 am »
Brilliant deduction Sherlock :hysterical:

Elementary, my dear Watson.   ;)

Offline NJ Ave

  • Posts: 3485
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2159 on: September 24, 2015, 09:15:04 am »
What makes anyone think next year has any high hopes?

Why would you not? We're losing a bunch of guys who haven't performed well from a team that's still going to be over .500, in a weak division, and have a bunch of other players coming back that are not likely to be worse and a couple who are likely to be better (or much better).

My guess is that projection systems will have us at the NL East favorite again, or in a dead heat with the Mets. So, high hopes.

What makes you think we'll be worse? Here are things that can be replaced or improved next season:

300 IP of SP worth 3.3 WAR (JZ and Fister)
900 PA worth 2.7 WAR from players leaving (Span, Desmond when Michael Taylor and Espinosa were worth 3.4 over their 900 PA)
700 PA worth 1.5 WAR from players returning (RZ, Rendon who were worth 7.7 WAR in 2014)

In any case, I don't think we're going to be everyone's odds-on WS favorite next season, but I think we'll be projected as a top 10 team (worst-case scenario if we don't sign anyone is top 15) and that's well within "division contender" range in the NL LEast next season.




Offline BrandonK

  • Posts: 8183
  • #LOLNats
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2160 on: September 24, 2015, 10:08:38 am »
Is he gone yet?

Offline Cinqo de Mayo

  • Posts: 432
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2161 on: September 24, 2015, 10:19:24 am »

Offline PC

  • Posts: 47236
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2162 on: September 24, 2015, 11:06:15 am »
If Williams is going to gripe about Harper's bunt attempts, how about making a stink about all the hitters' at bats because everybody looks like they're completely winging it.  There's no rhyme or reason or plan for any of them.

Online Natsinpwc

  • Posts: 28006
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2163 on: September 24, 2015, 11:35:23 am »
If Williams is going to gripe about Harper's bunt attempts, how about making a stink about all the hitters' at bats because everybody looks like they're completely winging it.  There's no rhyme or reason or plan for any of them.
I don't have a problem with the bunts occasionally. He also takes a lot of walks which are equivalent to a bunt single.

Offline monkeyhit

  • Posts: 2603
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2164 on: September 24, 2015, 11:37:30 am »
At least in my eyes, the failure to pull Schitzer last night was pure fear of Max reaming him out in full view of the front office. It was not only stupid, but cowardly.

I don't care how much Williams or his supporters say the bullpen is useless; the perception is that Williams has lost the respect of a player in whom the Lerners have invested many millions. They are not going to miss that.

They'll be thinking, "could Terry Francona take the ball away from Max, stand up to Werth and Harper,
and put a little urgency into these millionaires?"  Because Matt sure can't.

Online Natsinpwc

  • Posts: 28006
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2165 on: September 24, 2015, 11:39:49 am »
At least in my eyes, the failure to pull Schitzer last night was pure fear of Max reaming him out in full view of the front office. It was not only stupid, but cowardly.

I don't care how much Williams or his supporters say the bullpen is useless; the perception is that Williams has lost the respect of a player in whom the Lerners have invested many millions. They are not going to miss that.

They'll be thinking, "could Terry Francona take the ball away from Max, stand up to Werth and Harper,
and put a little urgency into these millionaires?"  Because Matt sure can't.
To be fair the bullpen sucks and he was still throwing 97-98. Should have thrown him a breaking ball there b

Offline whytev

  • Posts: 8768
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2166 on: September 24, 2015, 12:26:08 pm »
Why would you not? We're losing a bunch of guys who haven't performed well from a team that's still going to be over .500, in a weak division, and have a bunch of other players coming back that are not likely to be worse and a couple who are likely to be better (or much better).

My guess is that projection systems will have us at the NL East favorite again, or in a dead heat with the Mets. So, high hopes.

What makes you think we'll be worse? Here are things that can be replaced or improved next season:

300 IP of SP worth 3.3 WAR (JZ and Fister)
900 PA worth 2.7 WAR from players leaving (Span, Desmond when Michael Taylor and Espinosa were worth 3.4 over their 900 PA)
700 PA worth 1.5 WAR from players returning (RZ, Rendon who were worth 7.7 WAR in 2014)

In any case, I don't think we're going to be everyone's odds-on WS favorite next season, but I think we'll be projected as a top 10 team (worst-case scenario if we don't sign anyone is top 15) and that's well within "division contender" range in the NL LEast next season.

Taylor has declined lately. I think the scouts have caught up and he needs to make more adjustments. He might, or he might bat .222 next year.

Counting on more production and health from Zimmerman and Werth is a riskier proposition every year.

Escobar can't stay this good.

Ross needs another pitch, Roark needs to go. Cole and the Taylors aren't exactly breaking down the door.

Offline whytev

  • Posts: 8768
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2167 on: September 24, 2015, 12:27:02 pm »
If Williams is going to gripe about Harper's bunt attempts, how about making a stink about all the hitters' at bats because everybody looks like they're completely winging it.  There's no rhyme or reason or plan for any of them.

He answered what the reporter asked.

Offline whytev

  • Posts: 8768
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2168 on: September 24, 2015, 12:27:57 pm »
At least in my eyes, the failure to pull Schitzer last night was pure fear of Max reaming him out in full view of the front office. It was not only stupid, but cowardly.

I don't care how much Williams or his supporters say the bullpen is useless; the perception is that Williams has lost the respect of a player in whom the Lerners have invested many millions. They are not going to miss that.

They'll be thinking, "could Terry Francona take the ball away from Max, stand up to Werth and Harper,
and put a little urgency into these millionaires?"  Because Matt sure can't.

If he has the bullpen of a contending team there, Max comes out.

Offline deeznatz

  • Posts: 1280
    • http://www.amorica.org
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2169 on: September 24, 2015, 12:29:47 pm »
Taylor has declined lately. I think the scouts have caught up and he needs to make more adjustments. He might, or he might bat .222 next year.

Counting on more production and health from Zimmerman and Werth is a riskier proposition every year.

Escobar can't stay this good.

Ross needs another pitch, Roark needs to go. Cole and the Taylors aren't exactly breaking down the door.

agree on Taylor.  I think he is great as a 4th OF that sees a lot of time due to injuries and resting of older guys, but I'm not sure he ever gets to be a high quality bat.  dont see him hitting over .250 and the Ks will always be a major issue.  a useful piece, but not a guy Im willing o pencil in as our starting CFr for the next 5 years.....

Offline whytev

  • Posts: 8768
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2170 on: September 24, 2015, 12:32:28 pm »
agree on Taylor.  I think he is great as a 4th OF that sees a lot of time due to injuries and resting of older guys, but I'm not sure he ever gets to be a high quality bat.  dont see him hitting over .250 and the Ks will always be a major issue.  a useful piece, but not a guy Im willing o pencil in as our starting CFr for the next 5 years.....

He needs to start on the bench and play once a series for Werth, or come in for Werth as a defensive replacement/double switch the rest of the time. That's 300 plate appearances with health, add 20 every week Werth or another OF is injured. Easily good for 450. Deserves that.

Offline HalfSmokes

  • Posts: 21927
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2171 on: September 24, 2015, 12:33:32 pm »
Why would you not? We're losing a bunch of guys who haven't performed well from a team that's still going to be over .500, in a weak division, and have a bunch of other players coming back that are not likely to be worse and a couple who are likely to be better (or much better).

My guess is that projection systems will have us at the NL East favorite again, or in a dead heat with the Mets. So, high hopes.

What makes you think we'll be worse? Here are things that can be replaced or improved next season:

300 IP of SP worth 3.3 WAR (JZ and Fister)
900 PA worth 2.7 WAR from players leaving (Span, Desmond when Michael Taylor and Espinosa were worth 3.4 over their 900 PA)
700 PA worth 1.5 WAR from players returning (RZ, Rendon who were worth 7.7 WAR in 2014)

In any case, I don't think we're going to be everyone's odds-on WS favorite next season, but I think we'll be projected as a top 10 team (worst-case scenario if we don't sign anyone is top 15) and that's well within "division contender" range in the NL LEast next season.





of course, the last this team has been good, you got 5.3 WAR out of JZ, 4 WAR out of Desmond, and 4 out of Span, so while replacing them and improving on this years numbers should be relatively easy, replacing the production they provided when the team was successful will be a lot harder 

Offline NJ Ave

  • Posts: 3485
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2172 on: September 24, 2015, 12:51:03 pm »
of course, the last this team has been good, you got 5.3 WAR out of JZ, 4 WAR out of Desmond, and 4 out of Span, so while replacing them and improving on this years numbers should be relatively easy, replacing the production they provided when the team was successful will be a lot harder 

My point is that you could get half of that and still probably be the favorite. You don't need to be a 95-win team in this division to have high hopes of winning it. If we are more like an 88 win team heading into next season, that's still a 50:50 shot of winning it.

Offline HalfSmokes

  • Posts: 21927
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2173 on: September 24, 2015, 12:53:45 pm »
My point is that you could get half of that and still probably be the favorite. You don't need to be a 95-win team in this division to have high hopes of winning it. If we are more like an 88 win team heading into next season, that's still a 50:50 shot of winning it.

Of course, but I still remember all the excess war people were talking about heading into this season. I think you need that 95 win roster to get 90 because injuries and random bad seasons happen

Offline DCFan

  • Posts: 16722
  • What are you dense?
Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.
« Reply #2174 on: September 24, 2015, 01:20:56 pm »
At least in my eyes, the failure to pull Schitzer last night was pure fear of Max reaming him out in full view of the front office.

I'd say it's more fear of having Scherzer go nuclear on him on the mound in front of the whole ballpark, fanbase, and media.