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Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #525 on: August 01, 2015, 02:43:46 pm »
You know Cards fans? I'm sorry.
I know a lot fans of a lot of different teams...

Offline madj55

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #526 on: August 01, 2015, 03:08:53 pm »
Heh, no. I know enough Cards fans to know they find plenty to complain about with Matheny.
The ones I know kiss the ground he walks on.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #527 on: August 01, 2015, 03:22:21 pm »
Harper to the #3 hole. Werth to #5.

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #528 on: August 01, 2015, 03:36:07 pm »
The ones I know kiss the ground he walks on.
Anyone that watches every game of any team will find more than enough to complain about over the course of 162.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #529 on: August 01, 2015, 03:52:03 pm »
Anyone that watches every game of any team will find more than enough to complain about over the course of 162.

:clap: "sanity"

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #530 on: August 01, 2015, 06:19:13 pm »
Does any fanbase not hate their manager?

Don't know but I bet Clint Hurdle has a long leash.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #531 on: August 01, 2015, 09:39:39 pm »
Shouldn't last the game. Rizzo should call him and tell him to have his crap packed by the end of the inning and be out of the clubhouse before the end of the game.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #532 on: August 01, 2015, 09:49:30 pm »
When there's a Will(iams), he'll find a way to blow the game.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #533 on: August 01, 2015, 10:00:53 pm »
I think Williams did fine with bullpen last night, but tonight was just a bad deal bringing Ross back for the 7th. Duda has been hot and had already tagged Ross for a homer. Part of bringing in Papelbon is you push Thornton/Jannsen to the 7th.

Just a bad deal tonight.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #534 on: August 01, 2015, 10:02:04 pm »
‏@federalbaseball
Lucas Duda vs LHPs in 2015: .298/.353/.543 line in 102 PAs. Yoenis Cespedes vs LHPs in 2015: .183/.236/.329 in 92 PAs.



Managers are paid to know things like that.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #535 on: August 01, 2015, 10:07:39 pm »
Is there competition for worst manager in baseball? 

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #536 on: August 01, 2015, 10:08:59 pm »
Is there competition for worst manager in baseball?

No MATT is in First place by 20 games

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #537 on: August 01, 2015, 10:15:18 pm »
This was a significant series because it was your closest rival.  You don't manage it for the season.  You manage to win the series and stick the dagger in.  Williams did not do that. I hope the Nats win tomorrow and come back with a 2 game lead.  That would not be a disaster.  If we come out of NY tied, then you have to light a fire and can some of the braintrust.  I just can't believe we had a late tie and a late lead and neither of the best pitchers in the bullpen were able to get into either the first or second game.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #538 on: August 01, 2015, 10:16:35 pm »
Guy just doesn't get it. At all. I was hopeful he'd learn after last October, but he is literally 100% the exact same Manager.

I'd fire him on the spot. This crap is getting old.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #539 on: August 01, 2015, 10:16:47 pm »
This was a significant series because it was your closest rival.  You don't manage it for the season.  You manage to win the series and stick the dagger in.  Williams did not do that. I hope the Nats win tomorrow and come back with a 2 game lead.  That would not be a disaster.  If we come out of NY tied, then you have to light a fire and can some of the braintrust.  I just can't believe we had a late tie and a late lead and neither of the best pitchers in the bullpen were able to get into either the first or second game.

This. They lose tomorrow, Matt needs to go. No matter what.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #540 on: August 01, 2015, 10:19:48 pm »
Guy just doesn't get it. At all. I was hopeful he'd learn after last October, but he is literally 100% the exact same Manager.

I'd fire him on the spot. This crap is getting old.

This has been his M.O. since he was a player.  Stubborn, unadaptable.  This was a bad hiring as soon as it was announced.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #541 on: August 01, 2015, 10:23:17 pm »
I think Williams did fine with bullpen last night, but tonight was just a bad deal bringing Ross back for the 7th. Duda has been hot and had already tagged Ross for a homer. Part of bringing in Papelbon is you push Thornton/Jannsen to the 7th.

Just a bad deal tonight.

Agree 100%. And, it's so unfair to Ross, who's been great. Matt put him in a position to fail there.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #542 on: August 01, 2015, 10:46:56 pm »
I'd love to give Knorr a chance down the stretch. 

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #543 on: August 01, 2015, 11:04:48 pm »
Chris Johnson @masnCJ
Williams on Ross in 7th: "He’s got the lead. He’s at 84. He just went thru the last inning fine. Standard decision as far as I’m concerned."

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #544 on: August 01, 2015, 11:09:12 pm »
Chris Johnson @masnCJ
Williams on Ross in 7th: "He’s got the lead. He’s at 84. He just went thru the last inning fine. Standard decision as far as I’m concerned."

Hope someone asked him, "so, why did you get Pap then?  Said it was to shorten the game right?  Thorny/janssen for 7, drew for 8, pap for 9 right. Up 1 through 6 doesn't fit that profile exactly?!"  Oh vey.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #545 on: August 01, 2015, 11:17:52 pm »
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Neither Storen or Papelbon have been used in a pair of 1 run losses to the team now 1 game back in the standings.

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #546 on: August 01, 2015, 11:38:36 pm »
Do not understand it. Last night you have a string of righties vs. a lefty who has a propensity to give up homers and nearly did the inning before, yet you leave him in because ostensibly your lone righty outside of your closer, Casey Janssen, is unavailable, after having not pitched in two days and that having been his only appearance of the week. Sounds like he's injured, or headed to the DL. Blame the loss on injury and the Nats offense not executing the fundamentals to give the team a mere single run in 12 innings.

Yet tonight you bring in that same righty...after you leave in your starter just long enough to give up the lead against a batter who has hit 6 homers in as many games, and who homered off that same starter a couple innings prior, after your starter nearly gave up a second homer the previous inning to Yoenis Cespedes. A blistering hot lefty who actually has trouble against righties, and you have a solid control righty available who is unlikely to give up homers, so worst case scenario you match up with Thornton a few batters later or bring in Storen for 4 or 5 outs, "runners stranded" be damned. Why didn't he go to Janssen? Why was he not gone to the previous night if he's apparently healthy enough to come in tonight? Even if he was unavailable last night but he was available tonight, why didn't you go to him tonight?

I don't get it, I just don't get it. I had seen Matt's bullpen mismanagement last year, like when he left Roark in vs the Orioles in I believe the 7th inning only to give up the lead, when it was clear Roark was not going to get through. Apparently Matt never heard "better a batter early than a batter late." I chalked it up to rookie mistakes or trying to coax too much from his starters. Then you have Game 4 of the NLDS last year, where he went to Barrett instead of say, Clippard. Then you have all of the games lost this year due to Blake Treinen being the "8th inning guy" for about 3 weeks. And then you have the past two games. If this club should be so lucky as to win the division I have no idea what will happen in the playoffs. I just don't get it.

Pray this team plays its brains out and sheer talent can bail out Williams' poor decision making into a WS win. If they should blow it again due to his mismanagement, the freak with him. Until then, put me firmly in the "Fire Matt Williams" camp, or, at least the "Matt Williams is freaking stupid" camp, since firing him at this point or at the end of the year would probably be disastrous for the club's continuity.

Offline Matugi

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #547 on: August 01, 2015, 11:44:54 pm »
‏@federalbaseball
Lucas Duda vs LHPs in 2015: .298/.353/.543 line in 102 PAs. Yoenis Cespedes vs LHPs in 2015: .183/.236/.329 in 92 PAs.



Managers are paid to know things like that.

Should've either sat Ross and had Thornton pitch around Duda or just have had Ross pitch around Duda straight up.

Offline More of #34

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #548 on: August 02, 2015, 12:33:27 am »
It seemed like a terrible decision to have Ross (who is fantastic) pitch to Duda who had already hit one homerun off of him.  And where the devil have Storen and Papelbon been?  Comparing pitching styles, discussing which one is better, deciding what to snack on after the game? 

Offline HattoriHanzo

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Re: Fire Matt Williams! (2015)
« Reply #549 on: August 02, 2015, 02:45:36 am »
I guess that's why there are a lot of ex catchers managing teams and some of them are the best in the business.   They know when a pitcher is done before damage can occur most of the time.  I know the nats don't have the super pen that some teams are now using but they could have shortened the game and won today if MW had a clue.  Ross is on a innings count for the season so might as well get as many starts out of him as possible before the nats shut him down for the year. IMHO they should try to have him go 5 every game no matter what and if they make the post season they do the same thing.  I rather have this kid out there than JZimm or Fister.  Hell he looks more impressive than Cy Gio at times too who seems to magically get himself out of terrible jams.