Fire Matt Williams! (2015) - Standard Decision.

[mitlen]

It's even more than that. Rivero had been used is a mop up guy for most of the past two months and then he's pitching the 10th and 11th inning. He had success so instead of taking the two good innings and moving on to Thornton or Janssen both 1 inning pitchers, so when the pitcher hit didn't matter, he left the kid in when he had pretty much pitched his limit. Williams has zero idea of how to develop a bullpen. There is plenty of talent being wasted because MW has no feel for pitching.

I know we all harp on Williams' bullpen management but I come back to the question, how much of his is on McCatty?    I'm sure Williams will stand up and say, "It's on me."     If he's not giving his input or Williams isn't listening to him, there are serious leadership issues.   If these are collaborative ventures, we're in deep doo doo.

[blue911]

I know we all harp on Williams' bullpen management but I come back the question, how much of his is on McCatty?     If he's not giving his input or Williams isn't listening to him, there are serious leadership issues.

None. A pitching coach doesn't give tactical advice to a manager. Just as a hitting coach doesn't tell the manager when to bunt. If it falls on anybody outside of Williams it would be on Randy Knorr. Even then the bench coach is more of a sounding board for a manager.

[mitlen]

None. A pitching coach doesn't give tactical advice to a manager. Just as a hitting coach doesn't tell the manager when to bunt. If it falls on anybody outside of Williams it would be on Randy Knorr. Even then the bench coach is more of a sounding board for a manager.

I find it hard to believe a manager doesn't ask for advice from the guy who knows the pitchers the best.    If he doesn't ask and/or McCatty doesn't offer, then McCatty's simply an overpaid clipboard holder.     Cox relied on Mazzone.    Weaver probably listened to Miller.    They did alright.     I would seek out McCatty and Knorr for a lot of these in game decisions.   If for no other reason to get quality input to consider before I make the move.

IMO, tactical input from a hitting coach and bunting is not the same as input from a pitching coach and the pitchers.

BTW, if you disagree with my assessment, you owe me a beer.   

[HalfSmokes]

Does any fanbase not hate their manager?

[mitlen]

We just want him to be better.

[varoadking]

If we miss the playoffs does he get fired?

No...he's Rizzo's boy...

[MarquisDeSade]

Does any fanbase not hate their manager?

Twins: Paul Molitor
Cubs: Joe Madden

[houston-nat]

Does any fanbase not hate their manager?

I can tell you that right now Astros fans are too busy being thrilled to hate anything.

[Optics]

Id assume any Manager who has won his team a ring is probably loved or at least, not hated.

[Baseball is Life]

In his post game interview last night, Williams did not want to reveal which relievers were not available. Did he not want to give away a tactical secret, was he in a bad mood, or was he just covering his ass?

I'd like to think it was so he wouldn't reveal important info, but I'm not sure.

[Baseball is Life]

Id assume any Manager who has won his team a ring is probably loved or at least, not hated.

Meh. It's a "what have you done for me lately" business. Even Joe Torre's head was being called for at some point late in his career.

[blue911]

Meh. It's a "what have you done for me lately" business. Even Joe Torre's head was being called for at some point late in his career.

Probably because he wasn't a very good manager.

[HattoriHanzo]

Does any fanbase not hate their manager?

I'm sure that there are a decent amount of fanbases of teams that love or at least like their manager.  Bochy must be worshipped in san fran.

[blue911]

I'm sure that there are a decent amount of fanbases of teams that love or at least like their manager.  Bochy must be worshipped in san fran.

Not really. His in season managing gets second guessed all the time.

[HattoriHanzo]

I'm still pissed off at the pitching rotation following the all star break.  It made no sense and the team is now paying for it. 

[spidernat]

I know we all harp on Williams' bullpen management but I come back to the question, how much of his is on McCatty?    I'm sure Williams will stand up and say, "It's on me."     If he's not giving his input or Williams isn't listening to him, there are serious leadership issues.   If these are collaborative ventures, we're in deep doo doo.

What is also being overlooked is that the offense managed to score 1 freaking run in 12 innings. That's the real reason the game was lost last night.   

[HalfSmokes]

Id assume any Manager who has won his team a ring is probably loved or at least, not hated.

Francona got run out of Boston, ny fans constantly critiqued torrie's bullpen management

[Optics]

Francona got run out of Boston, ny fans constantly critiqued torrie's bullpen management

Boston and NY are their own animals.

[BeltwayBaseball]

It made perfect sense to try to get through one more inning with Rivero. He was cruising, is a recently converted starter, and had only thrown 19 pitches through 2 innings. The pitcher's spot was due up first for us next inning, and neither Rivero nor Janssen would have batted - we'd have used a starter to pinch hit. So, by getting one more inning out of rivero, you also avoid having to pitch hit after a single inning for jansssen. (No reason to go to Thornton either, since we already had a lefty.)  with drew obviously unavailable, the bullpen was a little short, and we'd already used our long man (tanner), so trying to get as many innings as possible out of everyone was the most prudent way to go about it.

I don't know that you get more than one inning out of Janssen anyway, so I don't think the pitcher's spot in the batting order makes a difference. Matt basically said Janssen was unavailable, why I don't know and we should all be very afraid. As for going to Thornton, I know he's a lefty but he's got better splits vs righties than Rivero, and he doesn't have that bad habit of giving up long balls in a sudden-death game. If the game is on the line after Thornton gives up a couple runners you can make your emergency move to the bullpen, bring out Storen if he can go another day, bring out Papelbon and hope for a run within four or five outs. Rivero gives you no such opportunity.

The real problem is the offense, though the ump did screw 'em, and the fact that Janssen is MIA after looking so good.

[madj55]

Twins: Paul Molitor
Cubs: Joe Madden

Giants: Bochy
Cardinals: Matheny

[PebbleBall]

Is Felipe Rivero starting tonight?

[PebbleBall]

In his post game interview last night, Williams did not want to reveal which relievers were not available. Did he not want to give away a tactical secret, was he in a bad mood, or was he just covering his ass?

I'd like to think it was so he wouldn't reveal important info, but I'm not sure.

From what I know of Matt Williams, when he said it was obvious which two relievers weren't available in the 12th he meant Roark and Barrett.

[DPMOmaha]

Giants: Bochy
Cardinals: Matheny

Heh, no. I know enough Cards fans to know they find plenty to complain about with Matheny.

[Baseball is Life]

From what I know of Matt Williams, when he said it was obvious which two relievers weren't available in the 12th he meant Roark and Barrett.

No, I think he was referring to guys that were still in the pen.

[whytev]

Heh, no. I know enough Cards fans to know they find plenty to complain about with Matheny.

You know Cards fans? I'm sorry.