Extend Rendon

[imref]

Talking again:

https://www.masnsports.com/nationals-pastime/2019/07/source-boras-lerner-meeting-to-discuss-rendon-contract.html

[spidernat]

[UMDNats]

Ted offered him a 5-year deal worth $120 million but $119 million is deferred and the other $1milliom comes in the form of gift cards to Five Guys (nats park location only)

[spidernat]

OMG!

[Natsinpwc]

Ted offered him a 5-year deal worth $120 million but $119 million is deferred and the other $1milliom comes in the form of gift cards to Five Guys (nats park location only)

[Slateman]

So for the last three weeks hes been playing with a "tight", left hamstring and quad. Hes not going to the ASG and hes staying in the DC area to get treatment (instead of going home to Houston)

[imref]

Ted offered him a 5-year deal worth $120 million but $119 million is deferred and the other $1milliom comes in the form of gift cards to Five Guys (nats park location only)

I’d take that.

[imref]

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/nationals/scott-boras-its-nationals-move-anthony-rendon-contract-talks

[imref]

found this of interest, seems to be fair:

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I'm bored so I analyzed the Nats' cap situation and tried to come up with a reasonable proposal as to how to get a Rendon deal done that could benefit both sides. This assumes a deal will not be done until the offseason.

Right now the Nats have $133,837,282 in committed salary for 2020. The luxury tax threshold is $208 million next year. After we assume the club picks up Eaton's $9.5 million club option and Doo's $6.5 million club option, that leaves the Nats with $33,162,718 between the committed salary and the tax threshold.

Rendon's Sportrac Market Value currently sits right around $29.2 million. For comparison, Arenado's sits at $29.9 mil. So, an Arenado type premium for overall superstarness should be expected. However, Arenado did take a lower year one salary at $26 mil for 2019. He's at $35 mil per year until 2025, with an opt-out after 2021. He's at $32 mil in 2025 and $27 mil in 2026.

I know we get crap for backloading deals, but the Lerner's have made it clear that they have no desire to go over the tax. Max's $42 mil a year is a great price for him, but it does make things very tight until after 2021. With that being said, I think you might be able sell a guy like Ant on taking two years of deferred money by saying "this is how we keep you and Max on the same team and keep you both contending."

Anyways, here's my proposal:
Big Picture: 7 years, $227 million, AAV of $32.45 mil, just behind Arenado's $32.5 million. Full no trade. Opt-out after year 5.
Contract Breakdown: 2020: $24 mil 2021: $24 mil 2022: $37 mil 2023: $39 mil 2024: $39 mil (opt out here) 2025: $35 mil 2026: $29 mil
Incentives are overall better than Arenado's: All-Star Team: $30k per MVP or Comeback Player: $150k per LCS/World Series MVP: $100k per Silver Slugger: $50k per Gold Glove: $50k per

I don't know, I feel like I'm missing something, but I do think Ant is more likely to be okay with deferred money than a guy like Bryce would be. I feel like this offer is super fair and gives Ant the money he deserves over time while not destroying the bank. It also means relying more on the players we have in the organization, but I do think next year it will be time for guys like Carter Kieboom, Tres Barrera, Wil Crowe, Sterling Sharp, James Borque, Ben Braymer, and/or Kyle McGowin to move up and take their as positions as depth pieces or, in Carter's case, hopefully the starting second baseman.

Anyways, lemme know what you think. Work is boring and so is the All-Star break.

[LoveAngelos]

The Lerners have had enough "talks" to know if they can keep Tony.
They know Boras well enough.
They should by now know if they are willing to go where Boras wants to go.
When a ballplayer under contract says he wants to stay with his team it is always a lie.
If Lerner thinks...knows...he won't sign him then trade him now for a gaggle of prospects.
They are not going to the WS with this bullpen.
So why not?

[Slateman]

to know if they're willing to pay to keep Tony


Big difference.

[Scrapple]

to know if they're willing to pay to keep Tony


Big difference.

Rendon needs to give us the hometown discount or bye-bye. He’s no Arenado and has proven to be a slow healer after injury. Collect a couple of prospects for him and stay the course by spending the saved money on pitching.
I prefer Rendon to stay but not if he’s gonna cost us anything close to Arenado money. Bye-bye!

[Truconfidence]

Rendon needs to give us the hometown discount or bye-bye. He’s no Arenado and has proven to be a slow healer after injury. Collect a couple of prospects for him and stay the course by spending the saved money on pitching.
I prefer Rendon to stay but not if he’s gonna cost us anything close to Arenado money. Bye-bye!

Also 7 years is insane, 6 is the max I would like him under contract. if that 7th is a team option then ok.

[Slateman]

Rendon needs to give us the hometown discount or bye-bye. He’s no Arenado and has proven to be a slow healer after injury. Collect a couple of prospects for him and stay the course by spending the saved money on pitching.
I prefer Rendon to stay but not if he’s gonna cost us anything close to Arenado money. Bye-bye!

Also 7 years is insane, 6 is the max I would like him under contract. if that 7th is a team option then ok.

This isnt his hometown

And Rendon is better than Arenado

[DCFan]

This isnt his hometown

And Rendon is better than Arenado

[Slateman]

Why are you laughing?

Better OPS, better ISO, better wRC+, and higher WAR. And also has had back to back 6+ WAR seasons (something Arenado has never done).

[Scrapple]

This isnt his hometown

And Rendon is better than Arenado

If you look even harder i’m sure you will eventually find a statistic on the back of a used Bubble Gum wrapper SOMEWHERE that will make you want to convince us all that “Mr. Clutch” Zimmerman is ALSO better than Arenado. 

 

Here come the Nats!

[Slateman]

I swear some of you have no idea how payroll and free agency work in baseball. This was the freaking deal from the beginning between the players and owners. This is why Juan Soto makes 500K instead of 40 million dollars. Because there supposed to make it up on the back end.

Are all of you going to hope Juan Soto walks when he becomes a free agent when his agent demands a 10 year deal?

Arenado is a year younger than Rendon. There's no reason not to sign Rendon to the same number of years.

[Slateman]

If you look even harder i’m sure you will eventually find a statistic on the back of a used Bubble Gum wrapper SOMEWHERE that will make you want to convince us all that “Mr. Clutch” Zimmerman is ALSO better than Arenado. 

 

Here come the Nats!

What evidence do you offer that Arenado is better than Rendon?

[rileyn]

I swear some of you have no idea how payroll and free agency work in baseball. This was the freaking deal from the beginning between the players and owners. This is why Juan Soto makes 500K instead of 40 million dollars. Because there supposed to make it up on the back end.

Are all of you going to hope Juan Soto walks when he becomes a free agent when his agent demands a 10 year deal?

Arenado is a year younger than Rendon. There's no reason not to sign Rendon to the same number of years.

The "problem" is that some team will be willing to sign him a long term deal.   The Nats may not be comfortable with it, but are they really going to let another guy walk out the door without a replacement already in line?  With Harper, we knew we were already set up for life without him. 

[Slateman]

The "problem" is that some team will be willing to sign him a long term deal.   The Nats may not be comfortable with it, but are they really going to let another guy walk out the door without a replacement already in line?  With Harper, we knew we were already set up for life without him. 

Are the Nats more comfortable with another dramatic loss of offense while they have the better part of a 100 million dollars wrapped up in the starting rotation?

Competing over the long term costs money. If the Nationals aren't going to keep Rendon, then it's time to talk about a serious re-build. Keiboom is not going to replace his offense, there is no long term solution at first base, and RF has become a slap hitting shell of his former self.

[aspenbubba]

Didn't I see somewhere that Rendon has NEVER had a walk -off? Home -run?

[hotshot]

Are the Nats more comfortable with another dramatic loss of offense while they have the better part of a 100 million dollars wrapped up in the starting rotation?

Competing over the long term costs money. If the Nationals aren't going to keep Rendon, then it's time to talk about a serious re-build. Keiboom is not going to replace his offense, there is no long term solution at first base, and RF has become a slap hitting shell of his former self.

Nats have not exactly been an offensive juggernaut ... now, or ever! Gotta keep Rendon even though he's not the most durable guy, and you're likely looking at some seasons where he plays 130 games max. Like Stras, you accept he may well be out a month at some point in the season. They signed Stras; Rendon is a more important piece.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I've become convinced that the Nats will not re-sign one of their system-developed players instead of letting him walk in free agency unless the player is willing to take a discount to what he will get (or generally is perceived to be able to get).  I think this is a consistent thread through JZ, Desmond, Ramos, Strasburg, Harper, and will apply to Rendon and Turner (the next to go). As it turns out, JZ had a somewhat down year in his walk year, and Desi cratered, but I think both the offers to them were seeking discount to their perceived value one year out.  Strasburg clearly took a discount at the time (he also got the opt out).  Harper's deferrals were a joke. 

[rileyn]

I've become convinced that the Nats will not re-sign one of their system-developed players instead of letting him walk in free agency unless the player is willing to take a discount to what he will get (or generally is perceived to be able to get).  I think this is a consistent thread through JZ, Desmond, Ramos, Strasburg, Harper, and will apply to Rendon and Turner (the next to go). As it turns out, JZ had a somewhat down year in his walk year, and Desi cratered, but I think both the offers to them were seeking discount to their perceived value one year out.  Strasburg clearly took a discount at the time (he also got the opt out).  Harper's deferrals were a joke. 

Didn't we offer Desmond something like $107M the year before, but he turned it down.