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« Reply #525 on: July 02, 2019, 08:50:03 am »
The bullpen has been a lot better over the last month+ than it had been the first couple months.  The Atlanta series exposed a lack of bullpen depth when most of the guys were unavailable, but other than that, it hasn't cost us many games at all over the last month or so.  I'm not saying we don't need to add a piece or two, but you can't deny they've been a lot better.

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« Reply #526 on: July 02, 2019, 08:54:01 am »
The bullpen has been a lot better over the last month+ than it had been the first couple months.  The Atlanta series exposed a lack of bullpen depth when most of the guys were unavailable, but other than that, it hasn't cost us many games at all over the last month or so.  I'm not saying we don't need to add a piece or two, but you can't deny they've been a lot better.

They blew 5 saves in June.

The bullpen has not been "a lot better." It has been marginally better. It went from historically bad to merely bad.

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« Reply #527 on: July 02, 2019, 09:08:43 am »
5 blown saves in June is about middle of the pack...

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/split/42/sort/blownSaves/type/expanded/order/true

Tied with the Yankees for 10th, and better than Atlanta, Houston, Dodgers, and Red Sox.   Also, we had the second most save opportunities in the majors in June.   And also, 2 of those blown saves came in the Rosenthal/Ross Braves debacle game.

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« Reply #528 on: July 02, 2019, 09:26:35 am »
5 blown saves in June is about middle of the pack...

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/split/42/sort/blownSaves/type/expanded/order/true

Tied with the Yankees for 10th, and better than Atlanta, Houston, Dodgers, and Red Sox.   Also, we had the second most save opportunities in the majors in June.   And also, 2 of those blown saves came in the Rosenthal/Ross Braves debacle game.

That Braves debacle was the best thing that could have happened for us. 

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« Reply #529 on: July 02, 2019, 09:26:55 am »
5 blown saves in June is about middle of the pack...

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/split/42/sort/blownSaves/type/expanded/order/true

Tied with the Yankees for 10th, and better than Atlanta, Houston, Dodgers, and Red Sox.   Also, we had the second most save opportunities in the majors in June.   And also, 2 of those blown saves came in the Rosenthal/Ross Braves debacle game.

When you’re 7 back and hoping to get back in it, middle of the pack (tied with the team you’re chasing) probably isn’t good enough

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« Reply #530 on: July 02, 2019, 09:32:21 am »
When you’re 7 back and hoping to get back in it, middle of the pack (tied with the team you’re chasing) probably isn’t good enough

We're 2 better than Atlanta in that category.  It's not really a stat you want to be first in though.  You know who doesn't blow saves?   Baltimore, San Franscisco, Miami,Detroit... You know teams that don't ever lead!

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« Reply #531 on: July 02, 2019, 09:41:36 am »
We're 2 better than Atlanta in that category.  It's not really a stat you want to be first in though.  You know who doesn't blow saves?   Baltimore, San Franscisco, Miami,Detroit... You know teams that don't ever lead!

Awful teams with less blown save than the nats this year include the Yankees, Astros, Twins, Dodgers, and Brewers. Good on the nats for avoiding being part of that group

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« Reply #532 on: July 02, 2019, 09:44:52 am »
Awful teams with less blown save than the nats this year include the Yankees, Astros, Twins, Dodgers, and Brewers. Good on the nats for avoiding being part of that group
We were talking about June and whether the bullpen has improved.  Obviously the bullpen was terrible for the first 2 months of the year.

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« Reply #533 on: July 02, 2019, 11:50:47 am »
5 blown saves in June is about middle of the pack...

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/split/42/sort/blownSaves/type/expanded/order/true

Tied with the Yankees for 10th, and better than Atlanta, Houston, Dodgers, and Red Sox.   Also, we had the second most save opportunities in the majors in June.   And also, 2 of those blown saves came in the Rosenthal/Ross Braves debacle game.

ERA of 4.54 is bad. And this is the best they've done all season. And they've pitched less than any other bullpen.

Guys like Suero, Grace, Sipp, and Rainey aren't getting better. Rizzo needed to do something about this earlier. We've reached the point where it's pretty much too late. Moves needed to be made at the end of May. It was obvious the pen was a problem. You had a two month sample size of the pen you created. That's enough to determine that it was trash.

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« Reply #534 on: July 02, 2019, 11:56:59 am »
What is he making this year?

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« Reply #535 on: July 02, 2019, 01:24:01 pm »
What is he making this year?

$18.8 million.

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« Reply #536 on: July 02, 2019, 03:43:31 pm »
If they don't make a deal with Rendon they are idiots. Extremely underrated player that will cost way less than Harper but is actually capable of consistently playing well.  How can they not pull the trigger on this?

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« Reply #537 on: July 02, 2019, 03:51:14 pm »
It's hard to think it makes financial sense to sign Rendon for what I am sure Boras is asking for.  He'll be 30 for the first year of a 6-7 year contract.   How many good third baseman are over 30 playing right now?   Turner and Donaldson are the only ones who come to mind, and they are both showing signs of declining.   Paying him as an elite 3rd baseman  for 7 years to get 2 or 3 elite years doesn't make sense.

It's probably a fair argument to say that keeping the Boras position players through their team control years and letting them walk is a decent strategy.   

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« Reply #538 on: July 02, 2019, 03:56:08 pm »
It's hard to think it makes financial sense to sign Rendon for what I am sure Boras is asking for.  He'll be 30 for the first year of a 6-7 year contract.   How many good third baseman are over 30 playing right now?   Turner and Donaldson are the only ones who come to mind, and they are both showing signs of declining.   Paying him as an elite 3rd baseman  for 7 years to get 2 or 3 elite years doesn't make sense.

It's probably a fair argument to say that keeping the Boras position players through their team control years and letting them walk is a decent strategy.   

For a guy who went to college, I think that’s fair- a high school draftee who rose fast may be a different story. I always think that buying a couple of extra years in exchange for security early in a player’s career is the way to go, but Boras clients don’t do those deals

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« Reply #539 on: July 02, 2019, 04:02:11 pm »
For a guy who went to college, I think that’s fair- a high school draftee who rose fast may be a different story. I always think that buying a couple of extra years in exchange for security early in a player’s career is the way to go, but Boras clients don’t do those deals
It's too bad we ended with such a Boras heavy roster.   The contract you describe seems the new normal these days for most other agents.  Boras will never accept that the free agent market is softening and that there is value in getting his clients some early security.

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« Reply #540 on: July 02, 2019, 04:42:21 pm »
I wonder if the Lerners agree.

It's too bad we ended with such a Boras heavy roster.   The contract you describe seems the new normal these days for most other agents.  Boras will never accept that the free agent market is softening and that there is value in getting his clients some early security.

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« Reply #541 on: July 02, 2019, 08:25:46 pm »
Bo is getting a little carried away with his two bags accolades.

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Re: Extend Rendon
« Reply #542 on: July 02, 2019, 09:02:34 pm »
Bo is getting a little carried away with his two bags accolades.
I've had dates like that.

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Re: Extend Rendon
« Reply #543 on: July 02, 2019, 10:13:08 pm »
If they don't make a deal with Rendon they are idiots. Extremely underrated player that will cost way less than Harper but is actually capable of consistently playing well.  How can they not pull the trigger on this?
Stop and if he underperfoms you will say the nats shouldn't have resigned him.

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« Reply #544 on: July 02, 2019, 10:18:53 pm »
Rendon is going to go the Giants, and the Nats will sign Kris Bryant to replace him a few years later.

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« Reply #545 on: July 02, 2019, 10:20:59 pm »
If Nats stay under tax all season and resign Rendon, successful season.

They stay under and Rendon leaves, not sure I can polish the situation.

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« Reply #546 on: July 03, 2019, 03:57:02 am »
$18.8 million.

Thanks for digging that up.  Is he worth a multi year contract for at least $25 mil a year? That seems to be superstar range and I'm not sure that Rendon qualifies as such.

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« Reply #547 on: July 03, 2019, 04:30:23 am »
Thanks for digging that up.  Is he worth a multi year contract for at least $25 mil a year? That seems to be superstar range and I'm not sure that Rendon qualifies as such.

I think Rendon's production, particularly this year, qualifies him as a superstar (contract year uptick, always the same).

I suspect the Nats will have to pay a premium to keep him. This is based on gut feeling (and is discussed above) that he really wants to be in Texas; Houston ideally though they are extremely unlikely to be able to afford him and find him a position to play.

The other gut feeling about Rendon (again, well discussed on this board) is that he doesn't "love" baseball. I'm not saying he doesn't take his job extremely seriously but it is, at the end of the day, a job. Not loving the sport might make contract negotiations a little different from the norm. However, having said all that, with Boras has his agent, he's likely going to the highest bidder!

Age is the other thing - it's not unusual for players to be Rendon's age when they hit FA and generally those contracts are becoming less and less absurd as GMs finally realise that production drops off considerably more than it used to as players move towards their mid 30s. Whether Tony's do or not is the multimillion dollar question. Looking at his physique and mechanics he'll be worth taking the risk on for multiple GMs and as a result will get that sort of money and I reckon I want the Nats to be in on him, even if it's futile as I think it probably will be.
 

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« Reply #548 on: July 03, 2019, 10:20:54 am »
Thanks for digging that up.  Is he worth a multi year contract for at least $25 mil a year? That seems to be superstar range and I'm not sure that Rendon qualifies as such.

The litmus test is comparing him to Bryce Harper. He is head and shoulders a more consistently good performer than Bryce Harper. All those years Harper was soaking up media attention, getting choked in the dugout and posting on instagram about the Cubs Rendon was in the background honing his craft. At this stage I'd take Rendon all day. Especially since he will be cheaper than Harper.

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Re: Extend Rendon
« Reply #549 on: July 03, 2019, 10:52:59 am »
It's hard to think it makes financial sense to sign Rendon for what I am sure Boras is asking for.  He'll be 30 for the first year of a 6-7 year contract.   How many good third baseman are over 30 playing right now?   Turner and Donaldson are the only ones who come to mind, and they are both showing signs of declining.   Paying him as an elite 3rd baseman  for 7 years to get 2 or 3 elite years doesn't make sense.

It's probably a fair argument to say that keeping the Boras position players through their team control years and letting them walk is a decent strategy.   

If he can hit 90% as well as he has the past few seasons, it would easily justify a move to 1B.