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Offline vernon337

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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #25 on: April 18, 2014, 12:13:29 pm »
It was an abysmal performance, but certainly no worse than the 1-hit game against Wacha last season. 

Interesting (to me) fact:  Last season, the Nationals were shut out in 11% of their games prior to July 4 (nine of 84 games).  For the rest of the season, they were shut out only 4% of the time (3 of 78).

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« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2014, 01:26:48 pm »
OK then it stayed a hit. That has to be the cheapest hit ever.  :lol:

He had to unload the piano before going after the ball.

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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2014, 01:36:33 pm »
It was an abysmal performance, but certainly no worse than the 1-hit game against Wacha last season. 

Interesting (to me) fact:  Last season, the Nationals were shut out in 11% of their games prior to July 4 (nine of 84 games).  For the rest of the season, they were shut out only 4% of the time (3 of 78).

That was a hard game to watch up until Zim'n spoiled the no-hitter.  Bought a jersey of his that night too.

Interesting stat, thanks.

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« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2014, 01:49:52 pm »
I got my plays confused.  You're talking about the second batter, when Jordan couldn't get the ball out of his glove.   I was thinking of the play when he tried to get a runner out at third (was that last night?).   

The first play, in my opinion, was clearly an error, I don't see how it could be interpreted as a hit.   

The other play, he threw to third on a fielders choice and would have had the out but the throw was off. But nobody advanced because of the bad throw, and you cannot assume an out on a fielders choice, so no error should have been charged. 

And then there was the call at second base when Espinosa dropped the ball trying to get it out of glove.  Don't get me started on that.  One of the worst calls I have ever seen.


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« Reply #29 on: April 18, 2014, 02:04:04 pm »
I got my plays confused.  You're talking about the second batter, when Jordan couldn't get the ball out of his glove.   I was thinking of the play when he tried to get a runner out at third (was that last night?).   

The first play, in my opinion, was clearly an error, I don't see how it could be interpreted as a hit.   

The other play, he threw to third on a fielders choice and would have had the out but the throw was off. But nobody advanced because of the bad throw, and you cannot assume an out on a fielders choice, so no error should have been charged. 

And then there was the call at second base when Espinosa dropped the ball trying to get it out of glove.  Don't get me started on that.  One of the worst calls I have ever seen.

It should have been a hit so it effects his ERA. He fell asleep no point in rewarding poor play.

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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2014, 02:14:52 pm »
It should have been a hit so it effects his ERA. He fell asleep no point in rewarding poor play.

They should have a stat for that. I hate it when a pitcher's own blunder leads to runs and it's not reflected in their ERA. I guess I understand why that's so but I still don't like it.  :lol:

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« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2014, 02:28:59 pm »
They should have a stat for that. I hate it when a pitcher's own blunder leads to runs and it's not reflected in their ERA. I guess I understand why that's so but I still don't like it.  :lol:

if Span drops the ball these runs are unearned



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« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2014, 02:33:45 pm »
You think that would've been ruled an error?  :shock:

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« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2014, 02:35:18 pm »
It should have been a hit so it effects his ERA. He fell asleep no point in rewarding poor play.
I understand the sentiment, but you do want ERA to measure pitching, and he pitched well enough to get that batter out.

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« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2014, 02:48:30 pm »
I understand the sentiment, but you do want ERA to measure pitching, and he pitched well enough to get that batter out.

ERA measures outcome not effectiveness.

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« Reply #35 on: April 21, 2014, 09:38:36 pm »

Offline BigMeech

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« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2014, 09:53:30 pm »
Yeah, this is horrendous.

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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2014, 10:01:56 pm »
Hey, we doubled our hit total now.

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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2014, 10:30:12 pm »
not even close

gtfo bumping this thread

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« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2014, 01:47:01 am »
not even close

gtfo bumping this thread

If you had seen the bottom of the 4th, I'm not sure you would disagree. If you did and would, I'd be disappointed. They should have hit Garrett harder than they did.

Don't know about the second run they scored, I left in the bottom of the 8th, but this was a terrible night for the batters.

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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2014, 02:11:19 am »
Yeah, before I let this go for the night, the offense tonight was atrocious.  One hit through the 8th inning?  And Matt Williams isn't even blameless for this.  The manager is at least partly responsible for the approach that the team take for hitting against the opposing starter and I'll be damned if I could figure out what that approach was...other than HACK, HACK, HACK until you're out, for four at-bats.

There was no subtlety, no nuance, no collectivity  to the approach.  It was like every batter's was hitting against him for the first time, every time they had an at-bat...and they'd kept their eyes closed each time each of their teammates had at-bats too.

One thing Matt Willliams needs to investigate, perhaps, is which players are hurt?  Werth is hitting like he's hurt.  Harper is hitting like he's hurt.  I'm sure McLouth is hurt because he's been awful.

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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2014, 09:17:13 am »
richards has had one bad start all year.  The guy deserves some credit.  Great stuff with a history of wildness.  Maybe they should have tried to wait him out more, but the one tough inning for him was when he lost the plate so badly the hitters spent too much time dodging wildness to think about swinging. That said, Richards has beat up a few mediocre offenses.

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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #42 on: April 22, 2014, 10:00:46 am »
Too early to post this for tonight's game?

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« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2014, 10:14:44 am »
richards has had one bad start all year.  The guy deserves some credit.  Great stuff with a history of wildness.  Maybe they should have tried to wait him out more, but the one tough inning for him was when he lost the plate so badly the hitters spent too much time dodging wildness to think about swinging. That said, Richards has beat up a few mediocre offenses.

Yeah I don't know why people think you can hit the guy when he's throwing the ball all over the place -

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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2014, 10:49:04 am »
We swung too early in the count too often. Bailed him out too much. Keep working counts and he would have been forced to feed us some meatballs to avoid walking more and we could have pounced.

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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2014, 11:26:54 am »
is there a team LOB stat anywhere?  If we're not way out in front i'd be shocked.

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« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2014, 09:51:27 pm »



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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2014, 11:45:28 pm »
Zuckerman:

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HITTING LOWLIGHT: As has often been the case this month, the Nationals gave themselves plenty of opportunities to plate runs. They just couldn’t take advantage of them. They produced 16 hits in the game, yet their three runs came on a sac fly and two solo homers. Collectively, they were 0-for-16 with runners in scoring position, including abysmal stretches in the bottom of the eighth, 10th and 12th when they had a man on second with nobody out and couldn’t score him. The Nationals have now stranded 176 runners on base this season, tops in the NL.

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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #48 on: April 24, 2014, 11:48:09 pm »
As much as I hate this thread tonights performance has to be a top 3.

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Re: Worst Offensive Performance in Nationals History - 2014 Edition
« Reply #49 on: April 24, 2014, 11:51:09 pm »
To save on thread space, we should just change this to a thread where we post when we don't have humiliating offensive efforts.