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Offline Slateman

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2150 on: December 27, 2013, 09:07:25 pm »
It lands a little before he's at a release point, but not much. The concern in his delivery would be the slight arch in his back and then how his head/posture is slightly to the right after his release. But these aren't any worse than say, Detwiler, who throws across his body. I would say Strasburg has "worse" mechanics than Tanaka at this point.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2151 on: December 27, 2013, 11:40:38 pm »
Werth is 34

If it's not, it's not the end of the world. It's only the end of the world if Harper, Zimmerman, and Werth all get injured. But no matter who we trade for, they won't help overcome that.

Deez likes to be a douche and say things, but he offers no solutions, nor is able to. There was no one we could have signed or traded for that fixes the Nationals offensive problems. Atlanta won the division and only scored 32 more runs than us. That's it.  What killed the Nats was Haren's 9 loss run and Soriano being awful. Taylor Jordan starts instead of Haren and/or Clippard takes over the closer role, we win the division and probably go deep in the playoffs.

Werth isnt the problem.  he's figured it out in his older years....i think if he is able to stay healthy (admittedly, a concern...) he's going to be a 300 hitter and about 20 homers.  We need him to be a Beltran or Ibanez that really keeps hitting for a few more years....I really think he will.  I trust him more than anyone in our lineup.

I've offered tons of solutions.  Look at what we've done......traded away a very intruguing player for a marginal lefty reliever, when we could have just bought one and kept Burns.  The Fister deal was a steal and that was the right call. 

Look, if it were up to me, we'd trade Stras for an elite bat and sign Tanaka and roll the dice with that.  I continue to stand by my statement....come next August, due either to injury or massive decline, this board will be AFLAME with wialing and griding of teeth about how we should have gotten rid of this guy.   I realize that won't happen so I'd trade Zmann.

If you consider that we will attempt to extend JZimm, Tanaka ends up being a deal....and frees us to trade for a big bat to help with our true issue...scoring runs.  You can trot out any stat you like about how close we were to the Braves (and I do agree with you on haren, he single handedly lost 5-6 games for us, at least....so even a medicore pitcher in his stead is good for 3-4 more wins in 2014).  I watched the games.  I saw them pummel us like a bunch of also rans.  We weren;t anywhere near them.

I also do not believe Harper will be what we envision and hope for.  i'm starting to see him more as a 260-280 hitter with good power, 30-35 homers for 4-5 years.  He's NOT going to be the upper end of what we had all hoped.....320 and 35-40 homers and true MVP candidate.  Lets face it, that isnt going to happen.

Seattle got Wilson, we got RG3.  Angels got trout, we got harp.  Cavaliers got Irving, we got Wall.  Pens got Sid, we got Ovie.  We get Stras, Mets get Harvey. Seeing the pattern?  its called DC sports.  We get a year or two of hype about a supposed savior, and then realize they arent even top 10 caliber. I'm used to it.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2152 on: December 28, 2013, 12:03:04 am »

Seattle got Wilson, we got RG3.  Angels got trout, we got harp.  Cavaliers got Irving, we got Wall.  Pens got Sid, we got Ovie.  We get Stras, Mets get Harvey. Seeing the pattern?  its called DC sports.  We get a year or two of hype about a supposed savior, and then realize they arent even top 10 caliber. I'm used to it.
So you're saying that DC sports teams are cursed? Yes, that is indeed logical. :smh:

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« Reply #2153 on: December 28, 2013, 12:51:39 am »
Russell Wilson is overrated, put RG3 on that team and they'd be in the same position. Trout is better than Harper, but I believe Harper is gonna be the Harper of April all year if he doesn't get hurt...actually I'm really just hoping that's the case don't know if I believe it. John Wall is starting to turn the corner and look worthy of the #1 pick and Harvey is getting Tommy John just like Stras...

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« Reply #2154 on: December 28, 2013, 01:57:40 am »
Russell Wilson is overrated, put RG3 on that team and they'd be in the same position.


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« Reply #2155 on: December 28, 2013, 03:09:47 am »

Seattle got Wilson, we got RG3.  Angels got trout, we got harp.  Cavaliers got Irving, we got Wall.  Pens got Sid, we got Ovie.  We get Stras, Mets get Harvey. Seeing the pattern?  its called DC sports.  We get a year or two of hype about a supposed savior, and then realize they arent even top 10 caliber. I'm used to it.
Ovie isn't top 10 caliber? Dude has 3 MVP trophies and another one this season wouldn't be a surprise.

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« Reply #2156 on: December 28, 2013, 08:31:03 am »
Ovie ... has 3 MVP trophies and another one this season wouldn't be a surprise.

...and he'd trade all of them for the Cup that Sid has...

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2157 on: December 28, 2013, 08:46:53 am »
Werth isnt the problem.  he's figured it out in his older years....i think if he is able to stay healthy (admittedly, a concern...) he's going to be a 300 hitter and about 20 homers.  We need him to be a Beltran or Ibanez that really keeps hitting for a few more years....I really think he will.  I trust him more than anyone in our lineup.

I've offered tons of solutions.  Look at what we've done......traded away a very intruguing player for a marginal lefty reliever, when we could have just bought one and kept Burns.  The Fister deal was a steal and that was the right call. 

Look, if it were up to me, we'd trade Stras for an elite bat and sign Tanaka and roll the dice with that.  I continue to stand by my statement....come next August, due either to injury or massive decline, this board will be AFLAME with wialing and griding of teeth about how we should have gotten rid of this guy.   I realize that won't happen so I'd trade Zmann.

If you consider that we will attempt to extend JZimm, Tanaka ends up being a deal....and frees us to trade for a big bat to help with our true issue...scoring runs.  You can trot out any stat you like about how close we were to the Braves (and I do agree with you on haren, he single handedly lost 5-6 games for us, at least....so even a medicore pitcher in his stead is good for 3-4 more wins in 2014).  I watched the games.  I saw them pummel us like a bunch of also rans.  We weren;t anywhere near them.

I also do not believe Harper will be what we envision and hope for.  i'm starting to see him more as a 260-280 hitter with good power, 30-35 homers for 4-5 years.  He's NOT going to be the upper end of what we had all hoped.....320 and 35-40 homers and true MVP candidate.  Lets face it, that isnt going to happen.

Seattle got Wilson, we got RG3.  Angels got trout, we got harp.  Cavaliers got Irving, we got Wall.  Pens got Sid, we got Ovie.  We get Stras, Mets get Harvey. Seeing the pattern?  its called DC sports.  We get a year or two of hype about a supposed savior, and then realize they arent even top 10 caliber. I'm used to it.

You are an idiot. Good bye.

LMAO . . . I just read trade Stras but sign Zimmerman long term . . .   :hysterical:

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2158 on: December 28, 2013, 09:00:47 am »
Werth isnt the problem.  he's figured it out in his older years....i think if he is able to stay healthy (admittedly, a concern...) he's going to be a 300 hitter and about 20 homers.  We need him to be a Beltran or Ibanez that really keeps hitting for a few more years....I really think he will.  I trust him more than anyone in our lineup.

I've offered tons of solutions.  Look at what we've done......traded away a very intruguing player for a marginal lefty reliever, when we could have just bought one and kept Burns.  The Fister deal was a steal and that was the right call. 

Look, if it were up to me, we'd trade Stras for an elite bat and sign Tanaka and roll the dice with that.  I continue to stand by my statement....come next August, due either to injury or massive decline, this board will be AFLAME with wialing and griding of teeth about how we should have gotten rid of this guy.   I realize that won't happen so I'd trade Zmann.

If you consider that we will attempt to extend JZimm, Tanaka ends up being a deal....and frees us to trade for a big bat to help with our true issue...scoring runs.  You can trot out any stat you like about how close we were to the Braves (and I do agree with you on haren, he single handedly lost 5-6 games for us, at least....so even a medicore pitcher in his stead is good for 3-4 more wins in 2014).  I watched the games.  I saw them pummel us like a bunch of also rans.  We weren;t anywhere near them.

I also do not believe Harper will be what we envision and hope for.  i'm starting to see him more as a 260-280 hitter with good power, 30-35 homers for 4-5 years.  He's NOT going to be the upper end of what we had all hoped.....320 and 35-40 homers and true MVP candidate.  Lets face it, that isnt going to happen.

Seattle got Wilson, we got RG3.  Angels got trout, we got harp.  Cavaliers got Irving, we got Wall.  Pens got Sid, we got Ovie.  We get Stras, Mets get Harvey. Seeing the pattern?  its called DC sports.  We get a year or two of hype about a supposed savior, and then realize they arent even top 10 caliber. I'm used to it.

cant figure out if you are just a long-term troll or actually believe these things

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2159 on: December 28, 2013, 09:04:05 am »

Every team (unless they go a season 162-0) can always use better players than what they currently have.



As usual, Boz agrees with me ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/masahiro-tanaka-japanese-pitcher-is-expected-to-spark-mlb-bidding-war/2013/12/27/1d40db32-6f31-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html

Any team with deep enough pockets, which includes the Nats, should be in this hand to see how the cards fall.

There may be a chance for a less-than-mega-market team, like the Nats or Orioles, to offer about $125 million for Tanaka, including the $20 million posting fee.

What’s so crazy about seeing where $125 million gets you on Tanaka?

Lerner and General Manager Mike Rizzo just fell on the floor, maybe from laughter. What would you do with Tanaka since you already have Jordan Zimmermann, Stephen Strasburg, Gio Gonzalez, Doug Fister and Ross Detwiler? Make room.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2160 on: December 28, 2013, 09:14:19 am »

As usual, Boz agrees with me ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/masahiro-tanaka-japanese-pitcher-is-expected-to-spark-mlb-bidding-war/2013/12/27/1d40db32-6f31-11e3-a523-fe73f0ff6b8d_story.html

Any team with deep enough pockets, which includes the Nats, should be in this hand to see how the cards fall.

There may be a chance for a less-than-mega-market team, like the Nats or Orioles, to offer about $125 million for Tanaka, including the $20 million posting fee.

What’s so crazy about seeing where $125 million gets you on Tanaka?

Lerner and General Manager Mike Rizzo just fell on the floor, maybe from laughter. What would you do with Tanaka since you already have Jordan Zimmermann, Stephen Strasburg, Gio Gonzalez, Doug Fister and Ross Detwiler? Make room.


Tanaka will be better than Fister or Detwiler. I think Tanaka will end up being better than Zimmermann. The fact that Detwiler is "so good" that he precludes you from signing Tanaka is pretty ridiculous.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2161 on: December 28, 2013, 09:16:18 am »

I like this one...posted in response to Boz' article:

Tanaka's name spelled backwards: AKA Nat

Offline madj55

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« Reply #2162 on: December 28, 2013, 10:03:11 am »

Have you watched every Seahawks game this year? Usually (except against the Jaguars and Saints) their offense looks incompetent the majority of the game. However, fortunately for him they have a defense that creates multiple turnovers a game which gives him more chances to win the game at the end. The guy isn't anything special, his defense and Marshawn Lynch is carrying him. He's a good QB, but I guarantee RG3 would have them in the same spot.

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« Reply #2163 on: December 28, 2013, 10:06:25 am »
How would signing Tanaka effect TV ratings? I'd assume there'd be a lot of fanfare over in Japan to watch the guy, would they be able to carry MASN over there?

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2164 on: December 28, 2013, 10:24:59 am »
I like this one...posted in response to Boz' article:

Tanaka's name spelled backwards: AKA Nat

 :lmao:

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2165 on: December 28, 2013, 10:43:09 am »
He's a good QB, but I guarantee RG3 would have them in the same spot.
Let's say for argument sake that Wilson and Griffin are of equal value.  That's proof right there that what we gave up to get Griffin is inexcusable.  Wilson was drafted in the middle of the third round.  We could have had an additional three first rounders and still drafted Wilson in the second round. (Maybe even the third, if we picked ahead of Seattle; I don't recall.)   So we would then have a quarterback of value equivalent to Griffin and an additional three first round players.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2166 on: December 28, 2013, 10:55:36 am »
We gave up way too much for RG3, might be one of the worst trades of all time. Especially since we wasted a pick on another QB later in the draft.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2167 on: December 28, 2013, 10:57:24 am »
...and he'd trade all of them for the Cup that Sid has...

The ONLY offense the Caps have is Ovi. GMGMs failure to put anyone around him is the reason he doesn't have a cup.

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2168 on: December 28, 2013, 12:10:23 pm »
The ONLY offense the Caps have is Ovi. GMGMs failure to put anyone around him is the reason he doesn't have a cup.

Not my point...those are nice awards...IF you have a Cup...


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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2169 on: December 28, 2013, 12:36:51 pm »
Not my point...those are nice awards...IF you have a Cup...



because it's ovy's fault that his team around him is always crap. just because he hasn't won one yet doesn't mean he's any less of a superstar.

ovy is a beast, he's the best athlete in DC by a wide margin, it's a shame he'll never win a Cup here.

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« Reply #2170 on: December 28, 2013, 01:36:24 pm »
Rizzo says no to Tanaka--maybe.

https://twitter.com/ThomasBoswellWP

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2171 on: December 28, 2013, 02:07:01 pm »
he is going to get huge money but all quality starters do

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Re: Offseason moves?
« Reply #2172 on: December 28, 2013, 02:20:21 pm »
Rizzo says no to Tanaka--maybe.

https://twitter.com/ThomasBoswellWP

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"We probably aren't a player for Masahiro Tanaka," Nats Mike Rizzo just said. "Take care of our own guys 1st (if possible)." Desmond, Z'mann

Did Rizzo actually say "if possible" because he's clearly not "taking care of our own guys".

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« Reply #2173 on: December 28, 2013, 02:25:01 pm »
How would signing Tanaka effect TV ratings? I'd assume there'd be a lot of fanfare over in Japan to watch the guy, would they be able to carry MASN over there?
Didn't we have like the worst ratings ever like a few years ago. Something like 5000 fans watching per game which was comparable to late night informercials.

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« Reply #2174 on: December 28, 2013, 04:45:56 pm »
Why should the Nats care,  they aren't getting much of the TV money anyway