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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #575 on: February 03, 2015, 01:06:28 pm »
A GT3 RS is more than comfortable doing 100+.

not if the other drivers on the road aren't going anywhere near that or aware that there is a driver going 100+

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #576 on: February 03, 2015, 01:26:12 pm »
It wasn't 90+, it was 100+.  There really is a huge difference.  I drive 80 regularly on the highway (traffic permitting) because everyone else does.  80 is a comfortable speed (for my car).  I occasionally find myself pushing 90, and I slow down, but even 90 is still comfortable.  I have, in my youth, driven 100-105 (on very few occasions) and it is a scary speed. It is out of control.
Not sure your grasping what kind of car it is. It did the Nürburgring-Nordschleife in under seven and a half minutes (a BMW 3 series takes eight and a half). That's not a race course quality course. That's a road, not disimilar to what our roads are like. That puts it in the top 20. This is a car that is designed to go that fast. 120 is to this car what 75-80 is for yours.  So to say that the car isn't safe at those speeds isn't accurate. The driver is the weak link in that one.
We wouldn't even be talking about this if it didn't happen in Fairfax County, one of the few places in the entire country that gives you a few days in jail instead of a ticket and points on your license for speeding 90+.
That is state wide. And there are several states that will throw you in jail for reckless.


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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #577 on: February 03, 2015, 01:26:56 pm »
A GT3 RS is more than comfortable doing 100+.
Comfort is two part. So you're comfortable that the car you're driving can handle 105. Fine. But are you comfortable that the other cars on the road can handle you going 105.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #578 on: February 03, 2015, 01:27:34 pm »
not if the other drivers on the road aren't going anywhere near that or aware that there is a driver going 100+
Eh, frankly, it's unlikely that it would be a concern. They'd be startled but it's not really an issue if traffic is light. 9:40 a.m. on a Sunday . . . probably light traffic.

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« Reply #579 on: February 03, 2015, 01:29:28 pm »
The driver is the weak link in that one.

And who's to say that Werth wasn't the weak link there. 

That's why there are speec limits, because if we all could decide for ourselves what speed we can handle we'd all be driving 110.

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« Reply #580 on: February 03, 2015, 01:32:25 pm »
It wasn't 90+, it was 100+.  There really is a huge difference.  I drive 80 regularly on the highway (traffic permitting) because everyone else does.  80 is a comfortable speed (for my car).  I occasionally find myself pushing 90, and I slow down, but even 90 is still comfortable.  I have, in my youth, driven 100-105 (on very few occasions) and it is a scary speed. It is out of control.

So a middle aged guy driving a beater is safer than an elite athlete driving a high performance car? Who would've thunk it.

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« Reply #581 on: February 03, 2015, 01:33:16 pm »
Eh, frankly, it's unlikely that it would be a concern.

A driver going 55 (in a 55 zone) decides to change lanes ... He has the right to assume that a driver behind him, in the lane he's changing to, isn't going 100.  It's really as simple as that.

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« Reply #582 on: February 03, 2015, 01:39:53 pm »
A driver going 55 (in a 55 zone) decides to change lanes ... He has the right to assume that a driver behind him, in the lane he's changing to, isn't going 100.  It's really as simple as that.

But a guy doing 90 is okay?

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #583 on: February 03, 2015, 01:44:58 pm »
A driver going 55 (in a 55 zone) decides to change lanes ... He has the right to assume that a driver behind him, in the lane he's changing to, isn't going 100.  It's really as simple as that.

No, he doesn't, particularly if he's moving left. You're supposed to accelerate and you're supposed to be looking.

I don't understand how few people actually get this. Maybe it's because I've driven in Germany so I get the concept of not just looking for a gap to put my car but making sure that the other car isn't screaming down the lane.

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« Reply #584 on: February 03, 2015, 01:49:22 pm »
No, he doesn't, particularly if he's moving left. You're supposed to accelerate and you're supposed to be looking.

I don't understand how few people actually get this. Maybe it's because I've driven in Germany so I get the concept of not just looking for a gap to put my car but making sure that the other car isn't screaming down the lane.

I just taught my kid how to drive and I told him the most dangerous thing to do is to switch lanes, particularly when going to pass on the left because it's really hard to tell how fast a particular car behind you might be accelerating.

And jail time for going that fast is pure BS. Typical Virginia, and I'm a lifelong resident.

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« Reply #585 on: February 03, 2015, 01:52:59 pm »
And jail time for going that fast is pure BS. Typical Virginia, and I'm a lifelong resident.

I feel it should be an option for the judge. It should be used sparingly.

But let's be honest, how much of a fine could you give Werth that it would be a legit punishment. If you fined him 10 million, it honestly wouldn't hurt him that much. But jail time ... taking away his free time on the weekends ... that's a punishment he would feel. He can make more money. He can hire a driver to take him places. But he can never get that off time back.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #586 on: February 03, 2015, 02:18:24 pm »
But a guy doing 90 is okay?

reckless is anything over 80 in VA

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« Reply #587 on: February 03, 2015, 02:24:41 pm »
I feel it should be an option for the judge. It should be used sparingly.

But let's be honest, how much of a fine could you give Werth that it would be a legit punishment. If you fined him 10 million, it honestly wouldn't hurt him that much. But jail time ... taking away his free time on the weekends ... that's a punishment he would feel. He can make more money. He can hire a driver to take him places. But he can never get that off time back.

I would have made him do the same amount of time doing community service. And if reports about Werth's prickly personality are true, community service would have been a harsher punishment for him than jail time. :mg:

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« Reply #588 on: February 03, 2015, 02:34:00 pm »
80 is a comfortable speed (for my car).  I occasionally find myself pushing 90, and I slow down, but even 90 is still comfortable. 

Then you would be locked up in Fairfax County, no matter how comfortable your car felt at that speed. That was my only point. Anywhere else on the Beltway is a speeding ticket and points, with the amount of points dependent on the speed.

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« Reply #589 on: February 03, 2015, 05:36:22 pm »
Then you would be locked up in Fairfax County, no matter how comfortable your car felt at that speed.

Well  I wouldn't be going 80 unless all the other cars around me are also going 80. I rarely drive in Virginia so I don't know what the custom is: either they're all driving 80 and few are getting caught, or the customary speed is lower than 80. All I can say is that in Maryland, traffic and weather conditions permitting, customary speed is 80.

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« Reply #590 on: February 04, 2015, 10:44:36 am »
It wasn't 90+, it was 100+.  There really is a huge difference.  I drive 80 regularly on the highway (traffic permitting) because everyone else does.  80 is a comfortable speed (for my car).  I occasionally find myself pushing 90, and I slow down, but even 90 is still comfortable.  I have, in my youth, driven 100-105 (on very few occasions) and it is a scary speed. It is out of control.

Over 80 is going to be a major offense in Fairfax County whether you feel like you can control it or not. If you do 90 you're losing your license for six months and going to jail.  And on a straight stretch I completely disagree about 100-115 being 'out of control.' It all depends on the car, its alignment, aerodynamics, tire width, tread wear, etc.  If the vehicle is designed to do it, it's pretty easy. If it's not, you usually start to notice right around 70.

Regardless of that, jail for speeding is a really rare thing in this country and it's pretty well agreed across the board that VA takes it way, way more seriously than most places. Note the following list of what counts as Class 1 Misdemeanors: assault and battery, petty larceny, stalking, driving under the influence, bad checks, domestic assault, aggressive driving, driving with a suspended license, reckless driving.

With Reckless defined as 20 over the limit or 80 MPH or higher, regardless of posted limit (ie those 70MPH stretches of 66 out in the western part of the state). 10 MPH over a posted limit is equal to beating the hell out of your wife, driving drunk, and stalking.  You're facing up to $2500 fine, a year in jail, and it's not coming off your record.  That's just so overkill IMO.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #591 on: February 04, 2015, 10:53:06 am »

I thought reckless was 15mph over, and/or 80mph...no?

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #592 on: February 04, 2015, 10:56:01 am »
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Reckless Driving (Felony or Misdemeanor)
Reckless driving - speeding in excess of 80 mph (11 years)
Reckless driving - speeding 20 mph or more above the posted speed limit (11 years)
Reckless driving - racing (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing or overtaking an emergency vehicle (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing a school bus (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing on the crest of a hill (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing at a railroad crossing (11 years)
Reckless driving - passing two vehicles abreast (11 years)
Reckless driving - driving two vehicles abreast (11 years)
Reckless driving - driving too fast for conditions (11 years)
Reckless driving - failing to give a proper signal (11 years)
Reckless driving - faulty brakes/improper control (11 years)
Reckless driving - on parking lots, etc. (11 years)
Reckless driving - with an obstructed view (11 years)
Reckless driving - generally (11 years)
Speeding 20 mph or more above the posted speed limit (5 years

http://www.dmv.state.va.us/drivers/#points_6.asp
also http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title46.2/chapter8/

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #593 on: February 04, 2015, 11:12:36 am »
All I can say is that in Maryland, traffic and weather conditions permitting, customary speed is 80.

On a highway where the limit is 55 MPH? I don't think so. I see drivers sitting at 70 MPH or so ...anything way above that sticks out. I'm primarily speaking about the Beltway.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #594 on: February 04, 2015, 01:29:25 pm »
What is "driving 2 vehicle abreast" ?

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #595 on: February 04, 2015, 01:51:13 pm »
What is "driving 2 vehicle abreast" ?
I tried googling to find a picture of a girl lying down with Hot Wheels cars on her boobs, but somehow the internet has not accomplished this yet. Cope?!??!?!

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #596 on: February 04, 2015, 02:06:58 pm »
What is "driving 2 vehicle abreast" ?

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A person shall be guilty of reckless driving who drives any motor vehicle so as to be abreast of another vehicle in a lane designed for one vehicle, or drives any motor vehicle so as to travel abreast of any other vehicle traveling in a lane designed for one vehicle.


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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #597 on: February 04, 2015, 02:11:45 pm »


Sounds like motorcycles (possibly) as well (in the single lane).     Have to keep that in mind.

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« Reply #598 on: February 04, 2015, 02:13:55 pm »
Sounds like motorcycles (possibly) as well (in the single lane).     Have to keep that in mind.

sorry, next sentence would be relevant to you

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Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit two two-wheeled motorcycles from traveling abreast while traveling in a lane designated for one vehicle.

https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-857

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #599 on: February 04, 2015, 02:14:57 pm »