Washington Redskins thread (2013)

[varoadking]

Cooley again said today the prevailing wisdom is that Shanahan returns next year but with new coordinators.

Be nice if there was prevailing wisdom about anything within the organization...

As long as Davey is gone...I'm blissful...so let Shanny play out the string...

[spidernat]

If that's really going to happen then Kubiak seems to be the logical choice so they don't have to install a completely different system.

[spidernat]

I just heard a dude on the radio (probably a poster here) talk about Griffin as a once in a lifetime talent because of his world class 4.4 speed and went on to say Cousins isn't any good because he couldn't even pull out the win against the Seahawks in the playoffs when Griffin went down with injury. 

[Terpfan76]

Slate, I know it might seem a logical comparison but the Kaepernick and Griffin situations aren't exactly the same. One, Kaepernick didn't become the starter till what, midway through his second season? Kaepernick was not recovering from a torn acl either. Then when you consider the 49ers defense and their offensive li e, things start to take a different light. Add to that the appearance at least that Jim Harbaugh actually seems to have absolute control over his team it becomes more glaring.

It is also apparent that Griffin's rush to come back became so much of a circus that he cost the team more than just picks. That being said, he clearly has the work ethic to come back from this crap show of a season. We'll know for sure if he's worth it I'd guess by mid season next year. At that point it should show if he's put in the film work and practice to be taken seriously as a franchise QB. The talent around him has been something of a detriment but at the same time, he hasn't done a whole lot to make them better either.

Giving up on Griffin already is not only short sighted and premature, its freaking ruhtarded too.

[Terpfan76]

I just heard a dude on the radio (probably a poster here) talk about Griffin as a once in a lifetime talent because of his world class 4.4 speed and went on to say Cousins isn't any good because he couldn't even pull out the win against the Seahawks in the playoffs when Griffin went down with injury. 

I love Griffin but there is nothing to hate on Cousins about. The kid looks like he can play and not in the way Gus Frerotte could, he actually appears to be a good one.

[mitlen]

I love Griffin but there is nothing to hate on Cousins about. The kid looks like he can play and not in the way Gus Frerotte could, he actually appears to be a good one.

I think that's where a lot of folks agree.    I like Cousins as an NFL QB more than Griffin but I don't dislike Griffin.   Yunz ('skins' fans) have a great dilemma.     Try not to over think it.

Off topic  ....  Do any of you know where Byron Leftwich lives?    I know he's from DC and played at Marshall.   I was at Dulles Town Center with the missus and I swear this guy looked exactly like Byron Leftwich.   I wanted to ask but he was too big to be wrong.     Did he tryout with the 'skins after he left the Steelers?   

[varoadking]

I think that's where a lot of folks agree.    I like Cousins as an NFL QB more than Griffin but I don't dislike Griffin.   Yunz ('skins' fans) have a great dilemma.     Try not to over think it.

Off topic  ....  Do any of you know where Byron Leftwich lives?    I know he's from DC and played at Marshall.   I was at Dulles Town Center with the missus and I swear this guy looked exactly like Byron Leftwich.   I wanted to ask but he was too big to be wrong.     

He was born in DC, so it may have been him...

[madj55]

I love Griffin but there is nothing to hate on Cousins about. The kid looks like he can play and not in the way Gus Frerotte could, he actually appears to be a good one.

Cousins definitely can be a starter in the NFL, no question about it, but I'd rather not give up on a guy we traded three first round picks for after his second year. If this year repeats itself next year, the Redskins might possibly have made one of the worst trades of all time.

[spidernat]

   Did he tryout with the 'skins after he left the Steelers?   

2009 offseason but was never offered a contract.

I love Griffin but there is nothing to hate on Cousins about. The kid looks like he can play and not in the way Gus Frerotte could, he actually appears to be a good one.

Unfortunately that's the way things have usually gone in Washington when there is competition. One side will manufacture ways (even quote bullcrap stats) to put one down in order to prop up their favorite and vice versa. Personally I don't give a crap which one becomes the starter as long as it's the best one for the job and as long as that player produces and leads the Redskins to success. When all is said and done I think it will be Griffin because they have, foolishly, invested so much on him and because I believe Griffin will demand Cousins be traded to avoid competition. I would like to keep Cousins around as an insurance policy (Griffin's health concerns me) and to promote competition. But even keeping Cousins I think Griffin should be the starter and should be given the opportunity to secure/lose the job based on his play not on hype or on what has been, foolishly, invested. I'm hoping that coming back 100%, "having an offseason" and learning from his dismal season will turn him into an actual QB. It's very possible that, like other QB's before him, he will make strides and learn from failure and adversity.

[spidernat]

As for the crap Brian Mitchell has been pushing regarding how the game plan favored Cousins because they moved the pocket more for him in order to help him, by my count they moved the pocket a total of 6 times the entire game, being bootlegs or when they actually moved the OL towards one side of the field (I think that happened twice).

Cousins was only pressured 7 times! Three on the first drive (including the lone sack of the game).

[Slateman]

Slate, I know it might seem a logical comparison but the Kaepernick and Griffin situations aren't exactly the same. One, Kaepernick didn't become the starter till what, midway through his second season? Kaepernick was not recovering from a torn acl either. Then when you consider the 49ers defense and their offensive li e, things start to take a different light. Add to that the appearance at least that Jim Harbaugh actually seems to have absolute control over his team it becomes more glaring.

It is also apparent that Griffin's rush to come back became so much of a circus that he cost the team more than just picks. That being said, he clearly has the work ethic to come back from this crap show of a season. We'll know for sure if he's worth it I'd guess by mid season next year. At that point it should show if he's put in the film work and practice to be taken seriously as a franchise QB. The talent around him has been something of a detriment but at the same time, he hasn't done a whole lot to make them better either.

Giving up on Griffin already is not only short sighted and premature, its freaking ruhtarded too.

I just don't think he can become what everyone wants. There are certain skills and abilities a pocket QB develops in HS and college. Griffin doesn't have those. Reading a defense and working through progressions. He didn't do it in college. It has to be an automatic, instinctive thing. Griffin doesn't have it.

[mmzznnxx]

Brian Mitchell's a freaker of the highest order. It's sad that he's even got past a tryout for commentating. Griffin's had his rollouts too and he looked slow and often ran out of bounds before throwing the ball away.

It doesn't matter what Cousins could have done or will do, the defense will always be "He's played bad defenses" -> "His teammates are playing better for Cousins" -> "The coaches are helping Cousins more and putting together better gameplans". Or all three.

[Slateman]

Brian Mitchell's a freaker of the highest order. It's sad that he's even got past a tryout for commentating. Griffin's had his rollouts too and he looked slow and often ran out of bounds before throwing the ball away.

It doesn't matter what Cousins could have done or will do, the defense will always be "He's played bad defenses" -> "His teammates are playing better for Cousins" -> "The coaches are helping Cousins more and putting together better gameplans". Or all three.

Mitchell is being paid by Snyder.

And Cousins has played bad defenses. So has Griffin. Teammates are playing for jobs but, yeah, they've probably been a little put off by RGIII's me me me attitude. And the coaches probably are helping Cousins more because he actually knows the system.

[HalfSmokes]

you have the McNabb stuff in the background. Then Griffen is benched and we start hearing about him not gong through his progressions and not being able to read defenses and people are somehow surprised that there is a reaction in favor of Griffen?

[spidernat]

It's sad that he's even got past a tryout for commentating.

What does this mean? Do you mean that you're surprised he was hired for that position? Because if so, Mitchell isn't even near to being the worst qualified for the job.

you have the McNabb stuff in the background. Then Griffen is benched and we start hearing about him not gong through his progressions and not being able to read defenses and people are somehow surprised that there is a reaction in favor of Griffen?

Halfsmokes I have a question for you. Griffin has been here for two seasons now and you still continue to misspell his name. Is this an oversight or are you doing it on purpose? If so, what's the intent?

[HalfSmokes]

meh, Griffen is a family name, I'm used to spelling it that way

[Terpfan76]

I just don't think he can become what everyone wants. There are certain skills and abilities a pocket QB develops in HS and college. Griffin doesn't have those. Reading a defense and working through progressions. He didn't do it in college. It has to be an automatic, instinctive thing. Griffin doesn't have it.

I don't think there's any way you can conclusively say that. Is he behind in that aspect? Yes, that is clear but to think he can't learn these things is silly. Making reads and going through progressions along with footwork/mechanics are things that can be taught or improved. I also question this notion that his teammates don't care for him or that he'll demand Cousins be traded. With the work ethic and amount of work that was needed to come back so soon from that injury, there's no reason to think he won't put in the same sort of effort to improve his other skills.
Like I said, I want him to be the guy and become a star but if he doesn't cut and its Cousins that takes us to the promised land, who gives a freak? Bad trade? Who freaking cares if we end up winning? I want a Super Bowl win and I couldn't care less and if it's Griffin, Cousins or Trent freaking Dilfer that gets us there.

[spidernat]

 or that he'll demand Cousins be traded.

He has shown that he is a self centered diva and players like that (especially QB's, although at this point he's mostly an athlete playing QB ) don't like competition.

[mmzznnxx]

What does this mean? Do you mean that you're surprised he was hired for that position? Because if so, Mitchell isn't even near to being the worst qualified for the job.

I'm not surprised he was hired but I wish he wasn't. He's not as bad as guys like Randle-El (good lord) we've had to endure with a microphone, but I hate him as a commentator. It feels like I've affronted him and he's yelling me why X should happen and not Y, and I feel it's usually fueled by emotion rather than substance. Which if I wanted I'd just go to more message boards.

[spidernat]

I'm not surprised he was hired but I wish he wasn't. He's not as bad as guys like Randle-El (good lord) we've had to endure with a microphone, but I hate him as a commentator. It feels like I've affronted him and he's yelling me why X should happen and not Y, and I feel it's usually fueled by emotion rather than substance. Which if I wanted I'd just go to more message boards.

He's the local version of Stephen A Smith. 

[mitlen]

He's the local version of Stephen A Smith. 

 

I wouldn't put that on anybody.

[spidernat]

I wouldn't put that on anybody.

Yeah you're right. He's actually not that bad. But mxyzptlk () is correct in saying that Mitchell goes on rants and seems to take offense when no offense was intended.

[madj55]

I want a Super Bowl win and I couldn't care less and if it's Griffin, Cousins or Trent freaking Dilfer that gets us there.

We can all agree on this.

[spidernat]

We can all agree on this.

Actually I have a different and better version of it.   

 I want a multiple Super Bowl wins and I couldn't care less and if it's Griffin, Cousins or Trent freaking Dilfer that gets us there.

[madj55]

Your version is definitely better, but with the Skins track record since I've been alive (2 playoff wins) just one would be amazing