Washington Redskins thread (2013)

[mitlen]

Yea, LaVar wanted out. Bad. He also had a failing restaurant in the area. Arrington thought Gibbs was a coward for quitting the way he did. Between that and his conflicts with Greg Williams, Arrington paid the Skins 4+ million to be a free agent.

2001-2003, Lavar was a monster on the field. Too bad. I always felt that after the Skins signed Trotter and Armstead, they should have gone to a 3-4

Followed LaVar from his days at North Hills HS but didn't realize (or don't remember  )  that there was so much drama to leave town.

[spidernat]

   I was also surprised by LaVar's comment that he wasn't a fan of Gibbs.    Whatever his reasons are, that's almost sacrilegious in this town.   

Not in my book. Only the idiots who fall for the image that was put forward. I loved Joe Gibbs I. But everything that happened when he quit in January 1993 and after makes him a joke in my estimation. Also, it was during his tenure that the contract problem with Lavar Arrington took place. Don't mistake intent. I'm no Arrington fan. Lavar had plenty of potential but most of it was hype and he was never able to live up to it. I didn't at all mind his leaving because he was no longer productive but Arrington probably thinks of what happened and can't separate Gibbs from Snyder (and of course he knows more about it than we do). Gibb II is fair game as far as I'm concerned.

[spidernat]

Followed LaVar from his days at North Hills HS but didn't realize (or don't remember  )  that there was so much drama to leave town.

Some of it was his doing. He was a diva just like Griffin and he too proved that he thought he was above being coached.

[spidernat]

Arrington thought Gibbs was a coward for quitting the way he did.

Gibbs quit twice and the excuse he gave the first time around was pure bullcrap since he was looking for ways to become the Panthers' first head coach a year after he quit the Redskins (and left the team in shambles). I wouldn't place too much stock on Gibbs' media image.

[madj55]

This team is a freaking mess from top to bottom.

[HalfSmokes]

Gibbs quit twice and the excuse he gave the first time around was pure bullcrap since he was looking for ways to become the Panthers' first head coach a year after he quit the Redskins (and left the team in shambles). I wouldn't place too much stock on Gibbs' media image.

Handing it over to Pettibon shouldn't have been the disaster it was- he was absolutely qualified to be a head coach and no one saw that level of such coming.

[spidernat]

It was the beginning of the salary cap era and Gibbs saw that he had an aging team with a high payroll and it was going to be difficult to retool it. It may have seemed like a good transition, especially after they destroyed Dallas on Monday night to open the season, but a rough patch, with that roster, was inexorable. In addition to trying to come back to coach the Panthers Gibbs also tried to become the coach of the Falcons at some point and was minority owner of the Falcons. His whole intent was to bring his son into the coaching profession (he said as much) and to generate interest in his NASCAR venture by using the NFL brand.

[imref]

you know what's going to happen don't you - the Redskins are going to win the next 3 games, Cousins is going to look like a star, and we'll have a full-blown QB controversy heading into 2014.

[spidernat]

you know what's going to happen don't you - the Redskins are going to win the next 3 games, Cousins is going to look like a star, and we'll have a full-blown QB controversy heading into 2014.

  Only because the media gets people buying into that bullcrap so they can have something to talk about. That's how they hold on to their jobs. I hope he does play well. Having multiple good players on your roster is a good thing. The more assets you have the better. In my opinion, no matter how well Cousins plays, Griffin is the starter going into next season until he proves he can't handle the job. If he plays as poorly as he did this season then you have to consider moving on but it's his job to lose. And as someone else pointed out, competition is a good thing. It brings the best out of players. And if it doesn't, if a player gets shaky because of competition or shies away from it then get rid of him. He isn't worth a freak.

[HalfSmokes]

So if cousins plays great and decides he's sick of being a good soldier,  it won't lead to any trouble in the locker room since everyone will side with rg3 (you know because just look at how Robert's team mates are pushing eachother out if the way to stand up for him).  I wonder if Nike will push operation inactive t shirts?

[mmzznnxx]

He (Cousins) signed a four-year contract, so we aren't forced to trade him immediately this offseason if Shanahan (or whoever the coach is) don't like the return of don't feel confident in rolling with just Griffin.

If he plays well (and I think he will and the offense will look quite a bit better) though, I hope we keep him heading into next season. I'm having severe doubts of Griffin without the help of the read option, and if he can't play well without it he shouldn't be starting. He looked terrible most of the year and Cousins looks like he could deserve a shot, so I'd give Griffin a leash heading into next season.

[spidernat]

I agree with you. I would keep Cousins for another year as an insurance policy.

[Terpfan76]

I agree with you. I would keep Cousins for another year as an insurance policy.

Same here but if someone comes calling offering a first or a couple early picks spread out over two seasons, you have to at least listen. A 2014 1st would be a no brainer, wouldn't you think?

Mind you this is completely hypothetical as unless he absolutely lights the world on fire over the last 3 games, I can't see Cousins bringing that kind of return.

[mmzznnxx]

I don't think it's a no-brainer at all. If Cousins has the promise of a franchise QB (and with a headstart on NFL experience compared to rookies to become one), you're trading that away on the assumption that Griffin is going to work out his kinks and become a great QB. That's far from a given and I doubt the coach's concerns will be answered by the free agency period and before the draft when players are frequently traded.

If you do trade Cousins this offseason and roll with Griffin, the pick(s) from Cousins will be nice (and likely needed), but a franchise QB is the biggest piece to a puzzle in this league. So if you trade Cousins who ends up a franchise QB or who might be one, and Griffin completely drops the ball, I don't think the pick(s) will replace the hurt of having traded the better pro QB and having to rebuild from the ground up once again. Because honestly, if Griffin doesn't have it going through next season it's lost.

Edit: Forgot to add why I don't think it's not a no-brainer. If you roll with Griffin expecting him to develop into a franchise QB, and doesn't become one, but Cousins could be one, you have a headstart on most bottom-feeding franchises without a QB.

Of course you could roll with Griffin and both could blow it, or Griffin could blow it and you lose out on the pick Cousins might have brought, there's a ton of permutations that could happen. I just think our bets are best hedged with Griffin with a long offseason, and Cousins playing, learning, and maybe competing for the starting gig in the summer.

[Nathan]

Who was that QB people were clamoring over a few years ago?  The Hawaiian college dude I think.  What ever happened to him?  Is he still on the team?

[Natsinpwc]

I don't think it's a no-brainer at all. If Cousins has the promise of a franchise QB (and with a headstart on NFL experience compared to rookies to become one), you're trading that away on the assumption that Griffin is going to work out his kinks and become a great QB. That's far from a given and I doubt the coach's concerns will be answered by the free agency period and before the draft when players are frequently traded.

If you do trade Cousins this offseason and roll with Griffin, the pick(s) from Cousins will be nice (and likely needed), but a franchise QB is the biggest piece to a puzzle in this league. So if you trade Cousins who ends up a franchise QB or who might be one, and Griffin completely drops the ball, I don't think the pick(s) will replace the hurt of having traded the better pro QB and having to rebuild from the ground up once again. Because honestly, if Griffin doesn't have it going through next season it's lost.




Edit: Forgot to add why I don't think it's not a no-brainer. If you roll with Griffin expecting him to develop into a franchise QB, and doesn't become one, but Cousins could be one, you have a headstart on most bottom-feeding franchises without a QB.

Of course you could roll with Griffin and both could blow it, or Griffin could blow it and you lose out on the pick Cousins might have brought, there's a ton of permutations that could happen. I just think our bets are best hedged with Griffin with a long offseason, and Cousins playing, learning, and maybe competing for the starting gig in the summer.

You need talent so would trade Cousins if you can get a good draft choice.  But that would mean finding a good veteran backup QB as Rex needs to go.

[HalfSmokes]

By the time you've made a decision on Griffen,  it's going to be too late for cousins here.  They will give Griffen at least two years under a new coach, by then your looking at franchising cousins or signing him to a long term deal based on limited playing time. 

[spidernat]

Who was that QB people were clamoring over a few years ago?  The Hawaiian college dude I think.  What ever happened to him?  Is he still on the team?

Colt Brennan never made an NFL roster. He was cut by the Redskins and the Raiders. But that didn't stop the members of "the Cult of Colt" from insisting that he would've been a great QB if only someone would give him the chance. Redskins fans are infamous for elevating bums to cult status.

[spidernat]

A 2014 1st would be a no brainer, wouldn't you think?

Yeah it would take a GM with no brain to offer up a 1st rounder. But if someone were that stupid and the 1st rounder was anywhere in the first 24 picks (as long as it's just for Cousins) I would say go for it. Of course you would probably squander the pick by selecting Marcus Whitfield or Nick Klemm.   

[Terpfan76]

Yeah it would take a GM with no brain to offer up a 1st rounder. But if someone were that stupid and the 1st rounder was anywhere in the first 24 picks (as long as it's just for Cousins) I would say go for it. Of course you would probably squander the pick by selecting Marcus Whitfield or Nick Klemm.   

Nah, CJ Brown

[spidernat]

Nah, CJ Brown

And send the second rounder to the Colts for Heyward-Bey.

But all jokes aside, it all depends on the coach they bring in to replace Shanahan. I get the sense that the new coach will have to be a Griffin guy or he won't get hired. And that is especially so if Cousins plays well to close out the season because in that scenario I see Griffin's nag ass going to Snyder and demanding Cousins be traded in the off season or else.

[HalfSmokes]

But all jokes aside, it all depends on the coach they bring in to replace Shanahan. I get the sense that the new coach will have to be a Griffin guy or he won't get hired. And that is especially so if Cousins plays well to close out the season because in that scenario I see Griffin's nag ass going to Snyder and demanding Cousins be traded in the off season or else.

Czabe and Cooley were saying that anyone interviewing will be a Griffen guy, but they will also likely get control in their contract, and after they sign on the dotted line, who knows. They had a few examples- McDaniels getting rid of Cutler and Marty with George where their examples that I remember, but there were more. 

[mitlen]

Shanahan walks into Snyder's office and says, "Look, you can't get out of paying me $7 million.   I've got an ironclad contract.     The good news is you don't want me here and I don't wanna be here so here's the plan.   I'm gonna bench RGIII so he stays healthy for the next coach you bring in.   I take the blame and save your franchise player.      You can pretend you're not involved.   You 'fire" me.    I get a payday and out.    Win win  ...."

[cmdterps44]

Shanahan walks into Snyder's office and says, "Look, you can't get out of paying me $7 million.   I've got an ironclad contract.     The good news is you don't want me here and I don't wanna be here so here's the plan.   I'm gonna bench RGIII so he stays healthy for the next coach you bring in.   I take the blame and save your franchise player.      You can pretend you're not involved.   You 'fire" me.    I get a payday and out.    Win win  ...."

I thought you were going the Big Show route with the first couple of sentences.

[spidernat]

Shanahan walks into Snyder's office and says, "Look, you can't get out of paying me $7 million.   I've got an ironclad contract.     The good news is you don't want me here and I don't wanna be here so here's the plan.   I'm gonna bench RGIII so he stays healthy for the next coach you bring in.   I take the blame and save your franchise player.      You can pretend you're not involved.   You 'fire" me.    I get a payday and out.    Win win  ...."

And Vinny Cerrato is back at Redskins Park by the second week of January.