Author Topic: WP: Nats MASN deal renegotations will have a huge impact (Read 252574 times)

RobDibblesGhost · « **Reply #1550 on:** May 17, 2016, 08:40:07 pm »

Quote from: Mr Clean on May 17, 2016, 05:24:36 pm

Little Angelos claims MASN is fair and balanced: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2016/05/17/orioles-vp-on-the-future-of-masn-and-blip-of-a-dispute-with-nats/

Right now as I post the show has three reporters on set---all Balmer. Every freaking one.

So you're the one person that watches that awful show?

BrandonK · « **Reply #1551 on:** May 19, 2016, 04:53:42 pm »

"MASN

Baltimore and Washington are still fighting in court over what the Nationals should receive for their 2012-16 television rights from the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network, which is controlled by the Orioles. At the request of the Orioles and MASN, a New York state judge last year threw out a decision by MLB's Revenue Sharing Definitions Committee that said the Orioles should receive $298 million from MASN for that five-season span. The Nationals want the matter returned to the RSDC.

"The Orioles agreed that the RSDC would set the rights fees for MASN and the Orioles every five years," Manfred said. "The Orioles have engaged in a pattern of conduct designed to avoid that agreement being effectuated.""

Manfred at the owner's meeting today. http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_29914303/mlb-chief-science-may-be-behind-increased-drug

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1552 on:** May 19, 2016, 04:57:54 pm »

Just contract the Os and give baltimore an expansion franchise- problem solved

Mattionals · « **Reply #1553 on:** May 19, 2016, 05:03:14 pm »

Just wheel Angelos into direct sunlight and watch him explode into flames.

mitlen · « **Reply #1554 on:** May 19, 2016, 05:21:40 pm »

Quote from: Mattionals on May 19, 2016, 05:03:14 pm

Just wheel Angelos into direct sunlight and watch him explode into flames.

Throw a bucket of water on him and watch him melt.

comish4lif · « **Reply #1555 on:** May 19, 2016, 09:40:34 pm »

Reading all this MASN stuff made me realize that the rights fees are contractually reset every 5 years. We are 4 years the fight over the first 5 year reset.

What are the odds that this isn't settled before the next reset?

OldChelsea · « **Reply #1556 on:** May 20, 2016, 07:13:25 am »

Quote from: comish4lif on May 19, 2016, 09:40:34 pm

[...]What are the odds that this isn't settled before the next reset?

It won't even be settled by Judgment Day. In the Orioles State of Maryland, Angelos controls everything.

PebbleBall · « **Reply #1557 on:** May 20, 2016, 01:42:25 pm »

Quote from: Mr Clean on May 17, 2016, 05:24:36 pm

Little Angelos claims MASN is fair and balanced:

I think that MASN is balanced enough. It's not biased but slickly produced like Fox News or MSNBC, it's a terrible product like CNN.

Smithian · « **Reply #1558 on:** May 20, 2016, 01:44:33 pm »

The Nationals and MASN are Charlie Brown and the football.

Five Banners · « **Reply #1559 on:** May 23, 2016, 01:59:50 am »

Manfred: Orioles, MASN ignoring fundamentals of revenue share agreement with Nationals
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/05/19/manfred-orioles-masn-ignoring-fundamentals-of-revenue-share-agreement-with-nationals/

OldChelsea · « **Reply #1560 on:** May 23, 2016, 07:27:44 am »

Quote from: Five Banners on May 23, 2016, 01:59:50 am

Manfred: Orioles, MASN ignoring fundamentals of revenue share agreement with Nationals
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/05/19/manfred-orioles-masn-ignoring-fundamentals-of-revenue-share-agreement-with-nationals/

Revenue sharing is surrender. Nothing less than the Nats on a telly network completely independent of Angelos will suffice.

nfotiu · « **Reply #1561 on:** May 23, 2016, 08:48:22 am »

Quote from: OldChelsea on May 23, 2016, 07:27:44 am

Revenue sharing is surrender. Nothing less than the Nats on a telly network completely independent of Angelos will suffice.

If that were to happen, it would probably be a significant loss for us, and a pretty big win for them. I'd guess they'd be able to keep their carriage agreements with a small cut in fees if they no longer carried the Nats, so they'd probably come out ahead. Whereas, it would be a terrible time to try to sell our own rights with the wheels quickly falling off the current RSN model.

OldChelsea · « **Reply #1562 on:** May 23, 2016, 08:52:42 am »

Quote from: nfotiu on May 23, 2016, 08:48:22 am

If that were to happen, it would probably be a significant loss for us, and a pretty big win for them. I'd guess they'd be able to keep their carriage agreements with a small cut in fees if they no longer carried the Nats, so they'd probably come out ahead. Whereas, it would be a terrible time to try to sell our own rights with the wheels quickly falling off the current RSN model.

Maybe so, but one way or another, control of the Nationals' telly rights by Peter Angelos, who has never backed off from his desire to annihilate the Nationals franchise, must be totally eliminated.

Smithian · « **Reply #1563 on:** May 23, 2016, 09:55:26 am »

Quote from: OldChelsea on May 23, 2016, 08:52:42 am

Maybe so, but one way or another, control of the Nationals' telly rights by Peter Angelos, who has never backed off from his desire to annihilate the Nationals franchise, must be totally eliminated.

This is where I'm at.

On the field, I don't really care about the Orioles all that much. Off? Can't stand them. It's not that the Orioles dream a revenue agreement that makes them rich and screws us, they dream of a series of outcomes and events that forces the Nationals to close shop and relocate. They want the dissolution of our franchise. From a purely business perspective, this is not some battle on the margins. This is a life and death struggle.

The Nationals payroll in my opinion is enough to support a winner. I didn't even really care about the MASN struggle until I realized that this was one way the Orioles were trying to end this franchise.

spidernat · « **Reply #1564 on:** May 23, 2016, 10:00:32 am »

Quote from: Smithian on May 23, 2016, 09:55:26 am

They want the dissolution of our franchise.

Angelos feels confident that DC will embrace his birds as their team. I'll take up bowling before that happens. But of course there are some here who will run back to opacy wearing their orange and black (and some of them never stopped doing so as some posters here have demonstrated).

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #1565 on:** May 23, 2016, 10:40:25 am »

Quote from: nfotiu on May 23, 2016, 08:48:22 am

If that were to happen, it would probably be a significant loss for us, and a pretty big win for them. I'd guess they'd be able to keep their carriage agreements with a small cut in fees if they no longer carried the Nats, so they'd probably come out ahead. Whereas, it would be a terrible time to try to sell our own rights with the wheels quickly falling off the current RSN model.

I would think it would be a huge loss for them because it would probably allow carriers to reopen negotiations and the trend has been for them to play hardball especially where no one actually watches - absent the nats, I'm guessing any carrier south of dc may just argue that, mlb's map aside, they no longer have any reason to carry masn

mitlen · « **Reply #1566 on:** May 23, 2016, 11:54:00 am »

I'd like to have our own network and re-coup the money "the frog" has screwed us out of so far. Angelos and the Oreos are like NoVa and the rest of VA. NoVa pays huge amounts in taxes that go towards 4 lane highways in Beford. Take the Nats out of the MASN equation and enjoy watching the Oreos rot on the vine.

Boycott Baltimore.

metssuck · « **Reply #1567 on:** May 23, 2016, 12:30:56 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on May 23, 2016, 11:54:00 am

I'd like to have our own network and re-coup the money "the frog" has screwed us out of so far. Angelos and the Oreos are like NoVa and the rest of VA. NoVa pays huge amounts in taxes that go towards 4 lane highways in Beford. Take the Nats out of the MASN equation and enjoy watching the Oreos rot on the vine.

Boycott Baltimore.

i dont understand the analogy.

mitlen · « **Reply #1568 on:** May 23, 2016, 12:33:06 pm »

Quote from: metssuck on May 23, 2016, 12:30:56 pm

i dont understand the analogy.

MASN without the Nats is not viable (i.e. the blows can't carry the load). The Commonwealth of VA without NoVA is not viable (i.e. Hampton Roads and Richmond can't carry the load).

Boycott Baltimore.

metssuck · « **Reply #1569 on:** May 23, 2016, 12:51:20 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on May 23, 2016, 12:33:06 pm

Gotcha
MASN without the Nats is not viable (i.e. the blows can't carry the load). The Commonwealth of VA without NoVA is not viable (i.e. Hampton Roads and Richmond can't carry the load).

Boycott Baltimore.

spidernat · « **Reply #1570 on:** May 23, 2016, 01:20:54 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on May 23, 2016, 12:33:06 pm

MASN without the Nats is not viable (i.e. the blows can't carry the load). The Commonwealth of VA without NoVA is not viable (i.e. Hampton Roads and Richmond can't carry the load).

Boycott Baltimore.

The other day a dude from Fredericksburg told me how much he hates NoVa (but he drives to NoVa for work).

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1571 on:** May 23, 2016, 01:22:27 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on May 23, 2016, 01:20:54 pm

The other day a dude from Fredericksburg told me how much he hates NoVa (but he drives to NoVa for work).

The traffic down in Fredsburg is worse than closer in NOVA. Maybe he should get a job in Richmond.

GburgNatsFan · « **Reply #1572 on:** May 23, 2016, 01:32:41 pm »

I hear stuff like this every day from people from Frederick/Carroll county complaining about MoCo traffic. While working here, clogging up MoCo roads.

Quote from: spidernat on May 23, 2016, 01:20:54 pm

The other day a dude from Fredericksburg told me how much he hates NoVa (but he drives to NoVa for work).

mitlen · « **Reply #1573 on:** May 23, 2016, 02:29:55 pm »

Quote from: spidernat on May 23, 2016, 01:20:54 pm

The other day a dude from Fredericksburg told me how much he hates NoVa (but he drives to NoVa for work).

Like the people in South Carolina who hate the federal government .... until it's time for them to get $1.35 back for every $1.00 they contribute to the treasury.

wj73 · « **Reply #1574 on:** May 23, 2016, 02:40:06 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on May 23, 2016, 02:29:55 pm

Like the people in South Carolina who hate the federal government .... until it's time for them to get $1.35 back for every $1.00 they contribute to the treasury.

Like when there's a natural disaster and they're screaming for federal funds to clean it up.