Fielder

[PowerBoater69]

You mean, get the chance to come in second place.  Spend or get the fook out.

That's not how this game works.  Lerner helps Boras drive the price up in Texas and in return he gets to claim to be the high bidder, can't make them sign here, we tried to spend money this year.

[hammondsnats]

Are you saying you will ban yourself for a year or are you proposing a one year ban for hammonds?

i don't want prince to sign with the o's and to be honest they don't even have a shot.

it's the nats prize to lose.

[hammondsnats]

That's not how this game works.  Lerner helps Boras drive the price up in Texas and in return he gets to claim to be the high bidder, can't make them sign here, we tried to spend money this year.

and the same people come on here and defend them and actually take positive in coming in second place bidding.

[zoom]

what would you consider a realistic payroll?  Please, be realistic.  Factors being DC geographic and other teams payrolls.  Just curious what the LAC's think here. 

[hammondsnats]

what would you consider a realistic payroll?  Please, be realistic.  Factors being DC geographic and other teams payrolls.  Just curious what the LAC's think here. 

honestly?

this team, this market ... $100 million at least.  would put the nats right in the middle of the pack.  doesn't matter who the owner is ... this city, this market - $100 mil.

[MarquisDeSade]

That's not how this game works.  Lerner helps Boras drive the price up in Texas and in return he gets to claim to be the high bidder, can't make them sign here, we tried to spend money this year.

That's still not spending so my point stands.

[MarquisDeSade]

what would you consider a realistic payroll?  Please, be realistic.  Factors being DC geographic and other teams payrolls.  Just curious what the LAC's think here. 

Easily $100m, though anything in the range of $90-110m would be acceptable.

[PC]

Easily $100m, though anything in the range of $90-110m would be acceptable.

With "our budget", that would wreck us for years!

[PowerBoater69]

That's still not spending so my point stands.

The point is that Lerner isn't going through this whole exercise to be rejected as having submitted the second highest offer, he is certain to insist on being turned down as the highest bidder.

[hammondsnats]

2011 Team Payrolls
No.   Team                           Payroll   
1.   New York Yankees           $201,689,030   
2.   Philadelphia Phillies           $172,976,381   
3.   Boston Red Sox           $161,407,476   
4.   Los Angeles Angels           $138,998,524   
5.   Chicago White Sox           $129,285,539   
6.   Chicago Cubs                   $125,480,664    
7.   New York Mets            $120,147,310   
8.   San Francisco Giants   $118,216,833   
9.   Minnesota Twins           $112,737,000   
10.   Detroit Tigers                   $105,705,232   
11.   St. Louis Cardinals           $105,433,572   
12.   Los Angeles Dodgers   $103,788,990   
13.   Texas Rangers                   $92,299,265   
14.   Colorado Rockies           $87,998,071   
15.   Atlanta Braves                   $87,003,192   
16.   Seattle Mariners           $86,424,600   
17.   Milwaukee Brewers           $85,497,333   
18.   Baltimore Orioles           $85,304,038   
19.   Cincinnati Reds           $76,181,365   
20.   Houston Astros            $70,694,000   
21.   Oakland Athletics           $66,536,500   
22.   Washington Nationals   $63,681,929   
23.   Toronto Blue Jays           $62,517,800   
24.   Florida Marlins                   $56,944,000   
25.   Arizona Diamondbacks   $53,639,833   
26.   Cleveland Indians           $49,188,867   
27.   Pittsburgh Pirates           $46,047,000   
28.   San Diego Padres           $45,869,140   
29.   Tampa Bay Rays           $41,932,171   
30.   Kansas City Royals           $36,126,400   

[spidernat]

That's not how this game works.  Lerner helps Boras drive the price up in Texas and in return he gets to claim to be the high bidder, can't make them sign here, we tried to spend money this year.

"sanity" 

Easily $100m, though anything in the range of $90-110m would be acceptable.

"sanity"

[PC]

The point is that Lerner isn't going through this whole exercise to be rejected as having submitted the second highest offer, he is certain to insist on being turned down as the highest bidder.

Why do you think that?  Being turned down as the second highest bidder works just as well as being turned down as the highest.

[PowerBoater69]

Why do you think that?  Being turned down as the second highest bidder works just as well as being turned down as the highest.

Sure it does, that's why we're still hearing Lerner apologists bring up that we had the top bid in on Tex.

[zoom]

Would you consider this a fair offer for PF?  Would this be considered cheap? 

Season                           2012   2013   2014   2015      
Year (of Contract)              1              2              3              4       Total          AAV
Salary                             40             30             20             20           110           27.5

2015 is a club option.

2013 has Laroche off the books and provides a little bit of relief to work a deal with Zim (potentially front loading as well).

If the Nats exercise club option then PF averages 27.5
If the Nats do not exercise club option then PF averages 30. 

[GburgNatsFan]

Should the Nats have offered 100M a year for eight years to Tex? 80? 60? 50? 30?

Do you think they just didn't offer quite enough (even though it was arguably more than the Yankees offered), that another .5M a year would have done it, and it was cheapness that kept them from offering that little bit extra?

I'm not arguing that the LAnC. I'm just wondering how far you think they should have gone.

Sure it does, that's why we're still hearing Lerner apologists bring up that we had the top bid in on Tex.

[Mattionals]

Would you consider this a fair offer for PF?  Would this be considered cheap? 

Season                           2012   2013   2014   2015      
Year (of Contract)              1              2              3              4       Total          AAV
Salary                             40             30             20             20           110           27.5

2015 is a club option.

2013 has Laroche off the books and provides a little bit of relief to work a deal with Zim (potentially front loading as well).

If the Nats exercise club option then PF averages 27.5
If the Nats do not exercise club option then PF averages 30.

4 years won't happen, and 40 per year isn't happening either.  I'm guessing it will take 6-7 years, AAV of 22-26M to land Fielder, with an opt out after 4.

[spidernat]

 

[zoom]

what are you referring to here?  the offer?

[PANatsFan]

Are you saying you will ban yourself for a year or are you proposing a one year ban for hammonds?

At which point Lerner says no thanks and exhales with relief because he gets credit for "showing the willingness to spend" without actually having to spend.

I'll take the ban if he goes to Crapimore, I'm that confident that it won't happen.

[spidernat]

I'll take the ban if he goes to Crapimore, I'm that confident that it won't happen.

You just handed hammonds twice the incentive to wish it happens. 

what are you referring to here?  the offer?

It's a ridiculous offer. I would offer Fielder 115 over 5 years and tell him to take it or go freak himself and Boras.

[The Chief]

2011 Team Payrolls
No.   Team                           Payroll   
1.   New York Yankees           $201,689,030   
2.   Philadelphia Phillies           $172,976,381   
3.   Boston Red Sox           $161,407,476   
4.   Los Angeles Angels           $138,998,524   
5.   Chicago White Sox           $129,285,539   
6.   Chicago Cubs                   $125,480,664    
7.   New York Mets            $120,147,310   
8.   San Francisco Giants   $118,216,833   
9.   Minnesota Twins           $112,737,000   
10.   Detroit Tigers                   $105,705,232   
11.   St. Louis Cardinals           $105,433,572   
12.   Los Angeles Dodgers   $103,788,990   
13.   Texas Rangers                   $92,299,265   
14.   Colorado Rockies           $87,998,071   
15.   Atlanta Braves                   $87,003,192   
16.   Seattle Mariners           $86,424,600   
17.   Milwaukee Brewers           $85,497,333   
18.   Baltimore Orioles           $85,304,038   
19.   Cincinnati Reds           $76,181,365   
20.   Houston Astros            $70,694,000   
21.   Oakland Athletics           $66,536,500   
22.   Washington Nationals   $63,681,929   
23.   Toronto Blue Jays           $62,517,800   
24.   Florida Marlins                   $56,944,000   
25.   Arizona Diamondbacks   $53,639,833   
26.   Cleveland Indians           $49,188,867   
27.   Pittsburgh Pirates           $46,047,000   
28.   San Diego Padres           $45,869,140   
29.   Tampa Bay Rays           $41,932,171   
30.   Kansas City Royals           $36,126,400   

If you exclude the top 5 and bottom 5 teams, the average is about 89 million.

If you don't, it's about 94 million.

In my opinion, it's absolutely unacceptable for the club to invest any less than that in the on-field product year in and year out.

[The Chief]

If you exclude the top 5 and bottom 5 teams, the average is about 89 million.

If you don't, it's about 94 million.

In my opinion, it's absolutely unacceptable for the club to invest any less than that in the on-field product year in and year out.

Also, if the team wanted to balance out the last 5 years of vastly below-average payrolls over the next five years, it would require about $130 million a year in payrolls through the end of the 2017 season.  AND THAT'S JUST TO BRING THE 10-YEAR AVERAGE UP TO LEAGUE-AVERAGE FOR 2011.

So if the premise is that they've been saving up for when the time is right, it's time to get cracking.

Just saying.

[imref]

Rangers willing to offer an 8 year deal with either side able to opt out after 3 per mlb on xm

[PowerBoater69]

If you exclude the top 5 and bottom 5 teams, the average is about 89 million.

If you don't, it's about 94 million.

In my opinion, it's absolutely unacceptable for the club to invest any less than that in the on-field product year in and year out.

The NL East average was right at $100 mil last year, it's impossible for me to understand how the apologists think that we are ever going to catch up with our competition by spending less than 2/3s as much.

2.   Philadelphia Phillies           $172,976,381     
7.   New York Mets            $120,147,310   
15.   Atlanta Braves                   $87,003,192
22.   Washington Nationals   $63,681,929   
24.   Florida Marlins                   $56,944,000

[InsaneBoost]

Rangers willing to offer an 8 year deal with either side able to opt out after 3 per mlb on xm

I'm assuming that's if they don't sign Darvish?