Author Topic: Fielder (Read 286242 times)

Ray D · « **Reply #2400 on:** January 12, 2012, 11:48:37 am »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on January 12, 2012, 11:33:49 am

I'm on the same page with LaRoche, though you're either going to hit him in the 2 spot or the 6 next year if Fielder is signed. It'll be Zim, Fielder, Morse.

Yes laRoche second. I'd have Werth leadoff. So Werth, Laroche, Zimm, Morse. If LaRoche provides sufficient protection for Werth to get on base, then not only do we have a pretty good one through four, but we've solved the leadoff problem. (Please, let's abandon the idea of Desmond leading off.) Go sign Ankeil to play centerfield.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #2401 on:** January 12, 2012, 11:54:08 am »

Serious question - how long has this team been waiting for the Mythical leadoff CF? The leadoff guy (Reyes) went to a division rival, but he doesn't play CF and would have put Desmond on the bench.

imref · « **Reply #2402 on:** January 12, 2012, 11:56:19 am »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on January 12, 2012, 11:54:08 am

Serious question - how long has this team been waiting for the Mythical leadoff CF? The leadoff guy (Reyes) went to a division rival, but he doesn't play CF and would have put Desmond on the bench.

Since Morgan imploded. For a while anyway we had one.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #2403 on:** January 12, 2012, 11:56:55 am »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on January 12, 2012, 11:46:42 am

That's exactly what I'd do. I just don't think Prince puts over the edge as much as others do.

I hate premising moves for this offseason on the hope a certain player either doesn't sign an extension, or is willing to come here next year. plus adding prince to the middle pushes someone else up in the lineup, not to mention adding a power left handed bat to compliment Zimmerman, Morse, and Werth all of who bat right

imref · « **Reply #2404 on:** January 12, 2012, 11:56:55 am »

funny tweet:

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@recordsANDradio: The race to sign Prince Fielder is going exactly as fast as you would expect Prince Fielder to be.

imref · « **Reply #2405 on:** January 12, 2012, 11:59:09 am »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on January 12, 2012, 11:48:37 am

A lot has to do with how good LaRoche is when he comes back. For his career, he's about as good a hitter as Zimmerman. A little worse, but not much. He's not nearly as bad as he showed last year.

i wonder if what is missing from these discussions, which only focus on individual player stats, is the impact that a guy like Fielder could have on everyone else. Yes, there's the often debated "protection" issue, which most players seem to buy into. But I also wonder if having a guy like Fielder in the line-up gives everyone else additional confidence, and removes some pressure, so you end up seeing positive improvement from guys like Zimmerman, Werth, Morse, etc.

Is there any sort of stat that looks at the influence one player can have on everyone else's stats?

comish4lif · « **Reply #2406 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:01:57 pm »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on January 12, 2012, 11:54:08 am

Serious question - how long has this team been waiting for the Mythical leadoff CF? The leadoff guy (Reyes) went to a division rival, but he doesn't play CF and would have put Desmond on the bench.

Or, we could have signed Reyes and tried the athletic, but defensively challenged at SS Ian Desmond in Center.... he couldn't be much worse out there....

mach1ne · « **Reply #2407 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:04:37 pm »

Quote from: comish4lif on January 12, 2012, 12:01:57 pm

Or, we could have signed Reyes and tried the athletic, but defensively challenged at SS Ian Desmond in Center.... he couldn't be much worse out there....

His great clubhouse presence makes up for lackluster abilities on the field.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #2408 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:09:17 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on January 12, 2012, 11:29:49 am

It was a big problem, absolutely, but the Nats were 25th in baseball in OBP. Gotta get guys on.

True, but that OBP was lower with runners on base, so we weren't very good at getting men on and we were terrible at knocking them in. Let's get Fielder.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #2409 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:12:13 pm »

To fix our problem I asked the devil for a team OBP of 1.000 with runners on base; little bastard didn't tell me that he was going to give us an OBP of zero with the bases empty.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #2410 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:20:16 pm »

From Morosi:

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Source: Rangers growing optimistic about Darvish
2 minutes ago by JonPaulMorosi

The Rangers are becoming increasingly optimistic about their chances to sign Yu Darvish, a major-league source said Thursday.

The team has until 5 p.m. ET Wednesday to reach agreement with Darvish, after obtaining his negotiating rights last month. Darvish’s team, the Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters, will collect the Rangers’ $51.7 million posting fee if the ace right-hander signs with Texas.

If the Rangers sign Darvish, it will probably signal that they are no longer pursuing free-agent first baseman Prince Fielder. One source with knowledge of the Rangers’ finances said this week that it’s unlikely the team can afford both players.

Darvish would return to the Fighters for the 2012 season if he fails to reach agreement with the Rangers. After the upcoming season, he would again be eligible to come to the major leagues via the posting system. But that scenario appears increasingly unlikely, as the Rangers’ confidence grows.

The Chief · « **Reply #2411 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:22:44 pm »

Huh? I thought he avoided the posting system if he waited until next year?

Ray D · « **Reply #2412 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:34:45 pm »

Quote from: The Chief on January 12, 2012, 12:22:44 pm

Huh? I thought he avoided the posting system if he waited until next year?

There's been some debate about when he becomes a free agent. Lot's of people seemed to be saying after 2012 but recently some posters have said after 2013.

JMUalumni · « **Reply #2413 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:43:56 pm »

It takes 9 years in NPB to become a free agent. I believe this past season was Darvish's 7th season (I think many people have taken the 2013 date to incorrectly mean he would be a FA in early 2013 as opposed to Nov/Dec 2013). With that said, Darvish will take a lot of heat in Japan if he fails to come to agreement with the Rangers.

Mr Clean · « **Reply #2414 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:47:45 pm »

Bowden says--it's down to the Nats and Fla for Fielder, with others on the outskirts. What happened to the 1% chance of last night?

Ray D · « **Reply #2415 on:** January 12, 2012, 12:51:06 pm »

Quote from: Mr Clean on January 12, 2012, 12:47:45 pm

Bowden says--it's down to the Nats and Fla for Fielder, with others on the outskirts. What happened to the 1% chance of last night?

Ladson doesn't know what 99% means. He doesn't know the difference between 99% probability and 50% probability so you can take his statement to mean that the probability of the Nats (not) signing Fielder is 50%.

However, I would be very surprised if the Marlins are back as a possibility.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #2416 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:01:44 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on January 12, 2012, 11:46:42 am

That's exactly what I'd do. I just don't think Prince puts over the edge as much as others do.

I agree. How much better would Fielder be over LaRoche (hitting career norms). Even if he is traded at the deadline I think that the move would be predicated on Harper coming up and Morse going to 1B. We have compared Fielder vs. Morse but what about LaRoche?

What puts us over the edge is a lead-off CF like Bourn.

zoom · « **Reply #2417 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:08:06 pm »

In either situation (sign or don't sign PF), what do we do with Marrero?

InsaneBoost · « **Reply #2418 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:08:37 pm »

Wait till he's healthy first.

Ray D · « **Reply #2419 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:11:31 pm »

Quote from: InsaneBoost on January 12, 2012, 01:08:37 pm

Wait till he's healthy first.

and then trade him.

Kevrock · « **Reply #2420 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:12:41 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on January 12, 2012, 11:46:42 am

That's exactly what I'd do. I just don't think Prince puts over the edge as much as others do.

Fair enough. Of course, I'm worried that if we don't sign Prince and don't do any of what you're pushing for.

Quote from: Mr Clean on January 12, 2012, 12:47:45 pm

Bowden says--it's down to the Nats and Fla for Fielder, with others on the outskirts. What happened to the 1% chance of last night?

If the Marlins sign Fielder we are freaked.

This is when you cash in those brownie points with Boras and ask him for a chance to match/top whatever the fish offer.

natsfan4evr · « **Reply #2421 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:13:27 pm »

I am getting more and more optimistic that Prince will be a Nat.

I don't have a ton of money, but I'd seriously consider getting a 21-game pack if that was to happen. If the team shows that they are committed to winning, i'll be committed to them. It's a shame I can't do a half season or full season play, but I have always and will continue to see every Nats game in some capacity.

InsaneBoost · « **Reply #2422 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:13:44 pm »

No Fielder = BURN THE TOWN DOWN.

Rasta · « **Reply #2423 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:27:11 pm »

Marrero is a AAAA player. He can't play 1B unless his power in actual games goes up dramatically.

Ray D · « **Reply #2424 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:29:05 pm »

How can the Marlins all of a sudden be back in the Fielder sweepstakes? After they lost out on Pujols, they were very clear that they had been pursuing Pujols because there was a compelling business case and that they did not think there was a business case for Fielder.

The business case for Pujols, aside from winning games, was that they thought he would increase attendance significantly by attracting the large Latin population that otherwise has not been very interested in baseball in Florida. (Whether or not that's valid I have no idea.) Now Fielder is not the player that Pujols is, but they would not have been interested even in Pujols except for the Latin factor. I think the Marlins were saying that Fielder is not going to attract an ethnic segment to nearly the extent that Pujols would (the black population in Miami is less than 20% while the Latin/Hispanic population is over 70%), so there is not the same business case, and so they are not going to pursue him.

So why would they change their minds on this?