Author Topic: Fielder (Read 285764 times)

MorseTheHorse · « **Reply #2425 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:33:57 pm »

Quote from: PowerBoater69 on January 12, 2012, 12:09:17 pm

True, but that OBP was lower with runners on base, so we weren't very good at getting men on and we were terrible at knocking them in. Let's get Fielder.

Just curious can you link me to stats showing we were bad with runners on base? I'm having trouble finding them. This is asking a lot now but I'd also be curious what spots in the lineup were most often up at bat with (say) runners in scoring position. I'm guessing our 3-4-5 batters are a much smaller portion of this than other teams 3-4-5 batters b/c of how poorly 1-2 did in our lineup all year. In other words I conjecture poor performance with men on base was a result of who in the lineup was at the plate in these situations. So this actually goes back to an indictment of our 1-2, especially our leadoff hitters throughout the year.

BTW, Morse hit even better with runners on base, and even better than that with runners in scoring position and even better than that with the bases loaded. I mean what more do you want from a guy??

natsfan4evr · « **Reply #2426 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:36:07 pm »

Buster's hopes appear to be dashed:

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@jonmorosi Jon Morosi
The #Dodgers, at the moment, are not involved in the Prince Fielder sweepstakes, source says.

https://twitter.com/#!/jonmorosi/status/157517101660250112

JMUalumni · « **Reply #2427 on:** January 12, 2012, 01:40:55 pm »

Here is the RISP rankings. Nationals came in 27th by AVG and 22nd by OPS in the MLB with a slash line of .231/.327/.366 with RISP.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #2428 on:** January 12, 2012, 02:10:56 pm »

Quote from: zoom on January 12, 2012, 01:08:06 pm

In either situation (sign or don't sign PF), what do we do with Marrero?

Who really gives a rats -ass? That is a problem we would have regardless if we sign PF or eventually end up with Morse there.

Ray D · « **Reply #2429 on:** January 12, 2012, 02:21:48 pm »

Quote from: aspenbubba on January 12, 2012, 02:10:56 pm

That is a problem we would have regardless if we sign PF or eventually end up with Morse there.

If we sign Fielder then clearly Marrero needs to be traded, and most likely so does LaRoche. Morse would be the backup firstbaseman. But if we don't sign Fielder: if the plan is to move Morse to first in the event that Harper comes up this season, then LaRoche needs to be traded, and we probably need to retain Marrrero as backup first baseman. If Harper isn't coming up this season, Morse stays in left and LaRoche is here all season, then Marerro needs to be traded.

MorseTheHorse · « **Reply #2430 on:** January 12, 2012, 02:33:20 pm »

Quote from: JMUalumni on January 12, 2012, 01:40:55 pm

Here is the RISP rankings. Nationals came in 27th by AVG and 22nd by OPS in the MLB with a slash line of .231/.327/.366 with RISP.

Thanks! I find the splits with regard to position of the lineup most interesting. In terms of OPS we were 16th in NL batting first. 15th in NL batting second. All other spots we were top 10, including rank 6 for our 5th, 6th and 8th batter.

comish4lif · « **Reply #2431 on:** January 12, 2012, 02:48:28 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on January 12, 2012, 01:29:05 pm

How can the Marlins all of a sudden be back in the Fielder sweepstakes? After they lost out on Pujols, they were very clear that they had been pursuing Pujols because there was a compelling business case and that they did not think there was a business case for Fielder.

The business case for Pujols, aside from winning games, was that they thought he would increase attendance significantly by attracting the large Latin population that otherwise has not been very interested in baseball in Florida. (Whether or not that's valid I have no idea.) Now Fielder is not the player that Pujols is, but they would not have been interested even in Pujols except for the Latin factor. I think the Marlins were saying that Fielder is not going to attract an ethnic segment to nearly the extent that Pujols would (the black population in Miami is less than 20% while the Latin/Hispanic population is over 70%), so there is not the same business case, and so they are not going to pursue him.

So why would they change their minds on this?

It could be typical Boras mis-direction - or the price has gotten low enough.

imref · « **Reply #2432 on:** January 12, 2012, 03:30:56 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on January 12, 2012, 02:21:48 pm

If we sign Fielder then clearly Marrero needs to be traded, and most likely so does LaRoche. Morse would be the backup firstbaseman. But if we don't sign Fielder: if the plan is to move Morse to first in the event that Harper comes up this season, then LaRoche needs to be traded, and we probably need to retain Marrrero as backup first baseman. If Harper isn't coming up this season, Morse stays in left and LaRoche is here all season, then Marerro needs to be traded.

I think the plan appears to be morse/werth/harper in the OF, laroche at 1B, then go after bourn in the off-season and move morse to 1B

Ray D · « **Reply #2433 on:** January 12, 2012, 03:41:45 pm »

Quote from: imref on January 12, 2012, 03:30:56 pm

I think the plan appears to be morse/werth/harper in the OF,

Damn I hope not. Whether we get Fielder or not, I think it is a huge mistake to go this season without a centerfielder. (Neither Werth nor Harper qualify.) Sign Ankiel if nobody else is available. While we're looking to 2013, there is a whole season ahead of us before then and I shudder to think of all the misplayed balls flying over centerfielders' heads.

Five Banners · « **Reply #2434 on:** January 12, 2012, 03:45:55 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on January 12, 2012, 03:41:45 pm

Damn I hope not. Whether we get Fielder or not, I think it is a huge mistake to go this season without a centerfielder. (Neither Werth nor Harper qualify.) Sign Ankiel if nobody else is available. While we're looking to 2013, there is a whole season ahead of us before then and I shudder to think of all the misplayed balls flying over centerfielders' heads.

I'm more concerned about having Desmond still in the lineup and the field, but if we've got Fielder, I'll learn to deal...

ZimW1N · « **Reply #2435 on:** January 12, 2012, 03:58:54 pm »

Quote from: imref on January 12, 2012, 03:30:56 pm

I think the plan appears to be morse/werth/harper in the OF, laroche at 1B, then go after bourn in the off-season and move morse to 1B

That's not a plan that is a lack of a plan.

zoom · « **Reply #2436 on:** January 12, 2012, 04:08:12 pm »

Sorry if this was already posted:

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
I'm told #Brewers invited Fielder to return for 1 year so as to get mega-deal from new #Dodgers owner next winter. Boras showed no interest.

natsfan4evr · « **Reply #2437 on:** January 12, 2012, 04:43:22 pm »

Quote from: zoom on January 12, 2012, 04:08:12 pm

Sorry if this was already posted:

BillShaikin Bill Shaikin
I'm told #Brewers invited Fielder to return for 1 year so as to get mega-deal from new #Dodgers owner next winter. Boras showed no interest.

Maybe if the only interested teams were the O's and Mariners. Still, that would be a huge risk to take if he was to get injured next season.

Kevrock · « **Reply #2438 on:** January 12, 2012, 04:55:55 pm »

Glad Boras isn't interested.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #2439 on:** January 12, 2012, 07:38:51 pm »

Quote from: Rasta on January 12, 2012, 01:27:11 pm

Marrero is a AAAA player. He can't play 1B unless his power in actual games goes up dramatically.

He hits for good OBP, don't write him off yet.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #2440 on:** January 12, 2012, 07:39:16 pm »

Anyone want to avatar bet that Miami doesn't sign Fielder?

Nathan · « **Reply #2441 on:** January 12, 2012, 07:39:42 pm »

Quote from: PANatsFan on January 12, 2012, 07:39:16 pm

Anyone want to avatar bet that Miami doesn't sign Fielder?

You think they will?

PANatsFan · « **Reply #2442 on:** January 12, 2012, 07:40:32 pm »

Quote from: Nathan on January 12, 2012, 07:39:42 pm

You think they will?

Sorry, I think we will. But the bet is for MarquisDeMarlinsFan or his ilk that think that Pimp Daddy Loria will sign him.

zoom · « **Reply #2443 on:** January 12, 2012, 07:42:53 pm »

I can't believe the art dealer has done what he has to this point! Being an Expos fan with him as an owner was torture.

Kevrock · « **Reply #2444 on:** January 12, 2012, 07:56:02 pm »

MarlinsDeSade is cleaner, IMO.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #2445 on:** January 12, 2012, 10:35:25 pm »

I don't see the Marlins signing Fielder. I will, however, take anyone up on name changes, avatar changes, or temporary bans on the Marlins finishing better than the Nats, should the Nats fail to sign Fielder.

mimontero88 · « **Reply #2446 on:** January 13, 2012, 12:22:03 am »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on January 12, 2012, 10:35:25 pm

I don't see the Marlins signing Fielder. I will, however, take anyone up on name changes, avatar changes, or temporary bans on the Marlins finishing better than the Nats, should the Nats fail to sign Fielder.

Why are the Fish so much better than the Nats without Fielder again?

Nathan · « **Reply #2447 on:** January 13, 2012, 12:39:33 am »

Big. Mike. Stanton.

Five Banners · « **Reply #2448 on:** January 13, 2012, 02:55:58 am »

Kilgore weighs in on a Post chat:

http://live.washingtonpost.com/tracee-hamilton-01012.html

To someone asking about the impact of signing Fielder:
"Here's the thing about tying up long-term money: Baseball doesn't have a salary cap, the Lerners are billionaires and Washington, with all the disposable money in the city and its suburbs, could be a HUGE market. I'm not advocating throwing money around like it's confetti on new year's. But they can afford it if they change their approach."

To someone who asked who would he choose to give a big deal to, Prince or Zim:
"If it actually was a choice, I tend to agree with you. Zimmerman basically IS the Nats, and he's stuck with them through some awful times. But it doesn't have to be a choice. See the earlier link; the Nats have the resources to sign 'em all if they choose to use them. Hold their feet to the fire on that. D.C. built that stadium."

hammondsnats · « **Reply #2449 on:** January 13, 2012, 05:53:09 am »

Quote from: Five Banners on January 13, 2012, 02:55:58 am

Kilgore weighs in on a Post chat:

http://live.washingtonpost.com/tracee-hamilton-01012.html

To someone asking about the impact of signing Fielder:
"Here's the thing about tying up long-term money: Baseball doesn't have a salary cap, the Lerners are billionaires and Washington, with all the disposable money in the city and its suburbs, could be a HUGE market. I'm not advocating throwing money around like it's confetti on new year's. But they can afford it if they change their approach."

To someone who asked who would he choose to give a big deal to, Prince or Zim:
"If it actually was a choice, I tend to agree with you. Zimmerman basically IS the Nats, and he's stuck with them through some awful times. But it doesn't have to be a choice. See the earlier link; the Nats have the resources to sign 'em all if they choose to use them. Hold their feet to the fire on that. D.C. built that stadium."

ding motha f'n ding ... too bad the L's and the LANC are blind and don't see it that way.

oh and MDS stop trolling. we get it you love the fish.