Author Topic: Fielder (Read 289765 times)

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #875 on:** January 03, 2012, 02:25:45 pm »

JCA - Didn't JD Drew get $14m/year for five years from the Red Sux?

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #876 on:** January 03, 2012, 02:33:10 pm »

For Fielder, perhaps a nice way to structure a deal would be something with a high initial group of years and a kink downwards in the out years with an opt out provision for Prince. For example, first 3 years, $75MM ($25 MM base per year), with years 4 - 10 for $105 MM ($15MM base per year), with an opt out in year 4. The expectation I think would be if he is healthy, he hits the market again and should be able to beat 7 years, $105MM at age 32, and if he isn't, we get to spread the ridiculous overpayment over a long enough period that it does not hamstring the team. You can make this a $175 MM contract if it is 4 years at $25 MM and years 5 - 9 at $15 MM base.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #877 on:** January 03, 2012, 02:36:44 pm »

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JCA - Didn't JD Drew get $14m/year for five years from the Red Sux?

Yes, but he never got more than $20MM in a year (of course). I think the argument is over the number of players we can have drawing > $20MM in any given year.

BTW - Strasburg will have to top that if we are to keep him past his final arb year, so we have the 3 players $20MM or more problem coming sooner or later, regardless of the Fielder situation.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #878 on:** January 03, 2012, 02:38:20 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on January 03, 2012, 02:36:44 pm

Yes, but he never got more than $20MM in a year (of course). I think the argument is over the number of players we can have drawing > $20MM in any given year.

Well, if we ever hit that hyperinflation some of the talking heads keep talking about $20m will be nothing.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #879 on:** January 03, 2012, 02:59:55 pm »

Ladson says the Nats have met with Boras in DC recently but it will be the Lerners' final call on whether we sign Fielder.

http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120102&content_id=26253892&vkey=news_was&c_id=was

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WASHINGTON -- The Nationals are in the Prince Fielder sweepstakes, according to a baseball source, and ownership recently visited with Fielder's agent, Scott Boras, in the nation's capital.

It is believed the Nationals are in competition with the Mariners and Cubs. There were reports that the Rangers were also in the running for Fielder's services, but the source believes Texas will stick with Mitch Moreland at first base.

The source indicated that Nationals ownership will make the final decision on whether the club signs Fielder. It's not known how many years or how much money Washington is willing to give Fielder.

houston-nat · « **Reply #880 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:01:15 pm »

Backwash Lincolnlogs has a new article up.

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WASHINGTON -- The Nationals are in the Prince Fielder sweepstakes, according to a baseball source, and ownership recently visited with Fielder's agent, Scott Boras, in the nation's capital.

It is believed the Nationals are in competition with the Mariners and Cubs. There were reports that the Rangers were also in the running for Fielder's services, but the source believes Texas will stick with Mitch Moreland at first base.

The source indicated that Nationals ownership will make the final decision on whether the club signs Fielder. It's not known how many years or how much money Washington is willing to give Fielder.

http://t.co/x4ydrfBP

Christ. As with ownership having to approve the Gio trade, and ownership refusing to approve the Dunn/Hudson trade - this is ridiculous. The owners should have a say in the club's direction, yes, but they shouldn't be making every damn decision like this.

EDIT: sf beat me but I had a better Blubsy Lollagizzard nickname.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #881 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:01:19 pm »

Said source was Potomac Cannons and Nuts023

hammondsnats · « **Reply #882 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:02:33 pm »

so like i said ... it'll all come down to LAC vs. LANC

should be a field(er) day when the decision comes down. LAC will drum louder than ever if they pass, but could disband if they sign.

the ball is in your court lerner

houston-nat · « **Reply #883 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:03:10 pm »

Quote from: hammondsnats on January 03, 2012, 03:02:33 pm

so like i said ... it'll all come down to LAC vs. LANC

should be a field(er) day when the decision comes down. LAC will drum louder than ever if they pass, but could disband if they sign.

the ball is in your court lerner

The problem is, if LAC and they do sign Fielder, that means RZ is gone after 2013.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #884 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:05:25 pm »

Quote from: houston-nat on January 03, 2012, 03:03:10 pm

The problem is, if LAC and they do sign Fielder, that means RZ is gone after 2013.

i said in the other thread they'd have to sign both to really get me off LAC, but for most people it'll come down to fielder signing i believe.

and for the record, i do think they will re-sign zimmerman no matter what.

Evolution33 · « **Reply #885 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:05:49 pm »

I don't think it is abnormal for the ownership to be the final say on any deal. What is abnormal is their lack of trust in their GM. At this rate they might as well just name Boras the GM. They certainly seem to trust him more than Rizzo.

houston-nat · « **Reply #886 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:06:21 pm »

hammonds, can you keep a secret? I think I've become LAC without admitting it.

Still 100% SSS though.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #887 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:10:07 pm »

Quote from: houston-nat on January 03, 2012, 03:06:21 pm

hammonds, can you keep a secret? I think I've become LAC without admitting it.

Still 100% SSS though.

You and JCA playa.

PebbleBall · « **Reply #888 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:12:51 pm »

Quote from: PebbleBall on January 03, 2012, 10:04:45 am

Yes. And count me as having the minority opinion that signing Prince would be a good sign for a Zimmerman extension.

I forgot Rendon was a Boras client. All bets are off.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #889 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:12:53 pm »

houston, you're cool in my book ... LAC and SSS = challenge accepted!

as for JCA, there's no way he's in LAC. he may be middle ground, but i don't see him in LAC at all.

and for the record, i used to be SSS ... when kory casto was here i could've sworn the nats were winning it all with him and zimmerman.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #890 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:14:06 pm »

BTW - can we just settle on calling the MLB.com writer "Buck Ludestones"? that sounds vaguely pictures-studdish, which would probably make Buck a happy guy.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #891 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:14:37 pm »

hahahaha we need to start a thread for sweet pictures names.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #892 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:14:47 pm »

Quote from: houston-nat on January 03, 2012, 03:01:15 pm

Backwash Lincolnlogs has a new article up.
http://t.co/x4ydrfBP

Christ. As with ownership having to approve the Gio trade, and ownership refusing to approve the Dunn/Hudson trade - this is ridiculous. The owners should have a say in the club's direction, yes, but they shouldn't be making every damn decision like this.

EDIT: sf beat me but I had a better Blubsy Lollagizzard nickname.

no team, including the red sox, yankees... would let a gm sign off on a contract as large as prince is looking for without approval from ownership; it's one thing to be able to trade prospects for a cost controlled starter, it's another thing to sign a contract that could be around long after the GM is gone

houston-nat · « **Reply #893 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:16:08 pm »

Quote from: PebbleBall on January 03, 2012, 03:12:51 pm

I forgot Rendon was a Boras client. All bets are off.

I still think Rendon ends up at 2B by midyear 2013. RZ, Danny, Rendon, [Prince/Morse].

But the hundreds of millions tied up in Prince would be bad news for a Zimmerman extension for sure.

Ray D · « **Reply #894 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:19:20 pm »

Ladson says that the Cubs are one of the interested teams. As far as I am concerned, you can't believe anything spoken by someone who so badly misunderstands the Cubs situation.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #895 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:20:09 pm »

Hammonds - i get pretty annoyed at the LBO / pay down the principal aspect of the ownership. I have said the team should be operating at a higher payroll. I'm very much with SSB on this one. Where I differ from you is that I can see baseball reasons for not going after every high cost FA and don't see it as a sign of LAC if I see a player sign elsewhere for what I think is an overpay. I'm also on their case when they miss on what I think are cheap options, like Aoki or signing JZ long term. That is more LAI.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #896 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:22:27 pm »

Quote from: Ray D on January 03, 2012, 03:19:20 pm

Ladson says that the Cubs are one of the interested teams. As far as I am concerned, you can't believe anything spoken by someone who so badly misunderstands ~~the Cubs situation~~ baseball in general.

FTFY.

Rasta · « **Reply #897 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:22:36 pm »

Quote from: Evolution33 on January 03, 2012, 03:05:49 pm

I don't think it is abnormal for the ownership to be the final say on any deal. What is abnormal is their lack of trust in their GM. At this rate they might as well just name Boras the GM. They certainly seem to trust him more than Rizzo.

I have no problem with ownership having the final say. What is ridiculous is Rizzo having to go in front of a board of directors to plead his case. It's now a pattern with the Dunn trade & the Gio trade. Either you trust your GM or you don't. Who on that board is competent enough to discern whether a 3 for 1 or 4 for 1 deal is good from a baseball perspective? It certainly wasn't a money issue since Gio is cost controlled.

Evolution33 · « **Reply #898 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:24:43 pm »

Twitter just exploded. Does it mean Fielder landed or would we have felt the ground shake?

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #899 on:** January 03, 2012, 03:25:45 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on January 03, 2012, 03:20:09 pm

I'm also on their case when they miss on what I think are cheap options, like Aoki or signing JZ long term. That is more LAI.

First you steal my batting Ean in the 9 hole and now you're saying LAI! QUIT STEALING MY THUNDER MCFLY!!!!