Author Topic: Fielder (Read 289534 times)

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #650 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:23:51 pm »

Quote from: Squab on January 02, 2012, 04:30:06 pm

I don't really see why Harper couldn't play CF, besides the experience factor.

Don't discount the experience factor. That's one tough position and it's a lot to ask a kid to learn it at the MLB level. If they really want him to play CF they should have him play it in the minors for most of 2012. If they do bring him up in 2012, I just don't think he will have received enough reps at that spot.

It's really all moot. They are not going to sign Fielder, and they are going to play Harper in LF, move Morse to 1B and ditch LaRoche the first chance they get.

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #651 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:24:22 pm »

The guy who tweeted that also posts here.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #652 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:25:22 pm »

Quote from: cmdterps44 on January 02, 2012, 05:24:22 pm

The guy who tweeted that also posts here.

And apparently no longer has a Twatter account.

mimontero88 · « **Reply #653 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:27:38 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 02, 2012, 05:19:48 pm

Yes.

Morse's BABIP for the first part of the year at LF was .333
Second part: .376
Third part: .254

Wow .376 BABIP is insane for his time spent at 1B. Based on these numbers I don't know whether to fear a regression based on his stint at 1B or think he should have a better year than the end of last season since the end was super low.

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #654 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:28:28 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on January 02, 2012, 04:31:47 pm

Even great defensive teams with GMs that do value defense generally don't have 9 gold glovers.

They generally don't have 3 OF who are below average or at best average at their positions either.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #655 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:32:38 pm »

Quote from: mimontero88 on January 02, 2012, 05:27:38 pm

Morse's BABIP for the first part of the year at LF was .333
Second part: .376
Third part: .254

Wow .376 BABIP is insane for his time spent at 1B. Based on these numbers I don't know whether to fear a regression based on his stint at 1B or think he should have a better year than the end of last season since the end was super low.

his career is .346, so segment 3 seems very out of line

mimontero88 · « **Reply #656 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:35:54 pm »

http://www.natsenquirer.com/2012/01/washington-nationals-favorite-to-sign-prince-fielder.html

Well this is interesting...

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"Hearing" a decision could be reached by the end of the week...now, if only Mr. Lerner and Mr. Boras can come to an understanding about what kind of 5-year deal this is going to be? Your guess is as good as ours.

A 5-year deal would be an amazing get.

mimontero88 · « **Reply #657 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:37:44 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on January 02, 2012, 05:32:38 pm

his career is .346, so segment 3 seems very out of line

Yes it does and it kinda makes Linty's point. All that put together it looks like Morse just got off to an awful start, settled in in May, and was the victim of bad luck on balls in play when he moved back to left field. Explains why the slugging percentage was still excellent despite average and OBP being way down.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #658 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:38:13 pm »

I'm going to plot down $5 for a new domain and start posting unsubstantiated rumours. Maybe I can put Rizzo and RuPaul meeting with Prince Field and Todd Rundgren at Remingtons.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #659 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:39:45 pm »

Quote from: Baseball is Life on January 02, 2012, 05:28:28 pm

They generally don't have 3 OF who are below average or at best average at their positions either.

I agree. Rizzo seems to value good defense. Especially up the middle - C, 2B, SS, and CF. Having a mashing LF and/or 1B who can't play defense very well probably isn't ideal for him but something he could live with.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #660 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:40:24 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on January 02, 2012, 05:39:45 pm

I agree. Rizzo seems to value good defense. Especially up the middle - C, 2B, SS, and CF. Having a mashing LF and/or 1B who can't play defense very well probably isn't ideal for him but something he could live with.

Desmond, Ian?

mimontero88 · « **Reply #661 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:40:30 pm »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on January 02, 2012, 05:38:13 pm

I'm going to plot down $5 for a new domain and start posting unsubstantiated rumours. Maybe I can put Rizzo and RuPaul meeting with Prince Field and Todd Rundgren at Remingtons.

Well clearly the rumors aren't completely unsubstantiated. Where there is smoke there is fire and there is plenty of smoke from credible sources. The question seems to be whether the Lerners and Boras can find a happy medium between their demands.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #662 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:41:07 pm »

Quote from: mimontero88 on January 02, 2012, 05:40:30 pm

Well clearly the rumors aren't completely unsubstantiated. Where there is smoke there is fire and there is plenty of smoke from credible sources. The question seems to be whether the Lerners and Boras can find a happy medium between their demands.

There are zero sources.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #663 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:41:09 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on January 02, 2012, 05:32:38 pm

his career is .346, so segment 3 seems very out of line

Maybe Morse just hits more line drives than everyone else if his BABIP is that high? If not, then I'd agree that he's probably due for a regression. If he does hit more line drives, then maybe it's sustainable.

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #664 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:43:08 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on January 02, 2012, 05:40:24 pm

Desmond, Ian?

Yeah, I don't disagree - Desmond boots the ball more than most other SSs. That doesn't mean Rizzo doesn't value defense, though - it just means you can't fix everything all at once.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #665 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:43:59 pm »

Quote from: Tyler Durden on January 02, 2012, 05:41:09 pm

Maybe Morse just hits more line drives than everyone else if his BABIP is that high? If not, then I'd agree that he's probably due for a regression. If he does hit more line drives, then maybe it's sustainable.

that's why I looked at his career BABIP- I think he due to hit near his career mark, so the .254 seems like the outlier

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #666 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:46:50 pm »

He doesn't hit more line drives than everyone else.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #667 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:47:33 pm »

Can someone post who these sources are on the Fielder rumours?

mimontero88 · « **Reply #668 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:48:11 pm »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on January 02, 2012, 05:41:07 pm

There are zero sources.

An anonymous MLB executive and a Nats' player have both been cited as sources by Tom Haudricourt and Jon Heyman respectively. Those are both pretty reliable baseball sources and considering how quiet Rizzo keeps the front office that's way more than we usually have in terms of sources. Hell, it's WAY more than we had about Jayson Werth.

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #669 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:48:55 pm »

Quote from: mimontero88 on January 02, 2012, 05:48:11 pm

An anonymous MLB executive and a Nats' player have both been cited as sources by Tom Haudricourt and Jon Heyman respectively. Those are both pretty reliable baseball sources and considering how quiet Rizzo keeps the front office that's way more than we usually have in terms of sources. Hell, it's WAY more than we had about Jayson Werth.

Those aren't sources.

houston-nat · « **Reply #670 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:51:05 pm »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on January 02, 2012, 05:47:33 pm

Can someone post who these sources are on the Fielder rumours?

That random blog said Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel was "hearing" from "sources" "around the MLB" that we are the favorites. MLBTR has the rundown.

What do we look like in 2013? Werth in left, Harper in right, Bourn/Crisp/someone in center, Morse...traded? I'm just concerned that signing Prince means we need to trade both LaRoche and Morse. We can't really be a playoff team if our defense is subpar at first, shortstop, and two outfield spots.

mimontero88 · « **Reply #671 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:51:25 pm »

Quote from: MarquisDeSade on January 02, 2012, 05:48:55 pm

Those aren't sources.

An anonymous MLB exec and a Nats' player are not sources. Tom Haudricourt and Jon Heyman, on the other hand, don't exactly have reputations for reporting rumors on pure air. Again, where there's smoke there is fire. Not to say that this is some guarantee the Nats will land Fielder. We all know how quickly the Hot Stove can heat up especially with a player of Fielder's caliber. That said, there is enough to be able to say that the two sides are having relatively serious discussions at a minimum.

houston-nat · « **Reply #672 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:53:06 pm »

Quote from: mimontero88 on January 02, 2012, 05:51:25 pm

Tom Haudricourt and Jon Heyman, on the other hand, don't exactly have reputations for reporting rumors on pure air.

Jon Heyman : Scott Boras
Jay Carney : Barack Obama

MarquisDeSade · « **Reply #673 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:54:20 pm »

Quote from: mimontero88 on January 02, 2012, 05:51:25 pm

That said, there is enough to be able to say that the two sides are having relatively serious discussions at a minimum.

Not really, but go ahead and feel that way if it makes you happy.

mimontero88 · « **Reply #674 on:** January 02, 2012, 05:55:57 pm »

Quote from: houston-nat on January 02, 2012, 05:53:06 pm

Jon Heyman : Scott Boras
Jay Carney : Barack Obama

I don't see how using the Nats as leverage gains anything for Scott Boras. At this point, the asking price in terms of years is too high for anyone to take a real run at Prince. Why try to drive the price up and lower interest even further? Rumors of the Nats talking to Fielder but NOT WANTING TO GIVE TOO MANY YEARS wouldn't exactly be helpful in what Boras is trying to accomplish.