Author Topic: 2012 free agency (Read 44766 times)

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #450 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:37:47 pm »

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I was informed the #Nats are having a scout watch Rangers LHP C.J. Wilson pitch on Wednesday against the Athletics.

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The #Nats more than likely will be interested in C.J. Wilson, who is a free agent after this season. #MLB

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #451 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:39:47 pm »

I wouldn't sign Fielder. I also think several guys who had bad seasons this year will be better next year. Maybe that's dumb optimism, but I don't think Werth or the others will be as bad.

Mr Clean · « **Reply #452 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:40:19 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on September 20, 2011, 10:37:47 pm

Get him!

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #453 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:42:20 pm »

Fielder is a career .288/.388/.537 hitter. Plugging him in between Zimmerman and Morse gives us a lineup that could keep us in most games. Marrero and LaRoche are nice, but neither is anywhere near as good. We have one of the 5 worst offenses in the NL regardless of metric- adding a leadoff hitter alone doesn't solve that problem

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #454 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:44:36 pm »

I just don't see us going after that guy with the depth we've got at the position, right now. Especially if they do think Marrero will turn into AGon, it doesn't make a lick of sense to get Fielder.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #455 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:50:57 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on September 20, 2011, 10:44:36 pm

I just don't see us going after that guy with the depth we've got at the position, right now. Especially if they do think Marrero will turn into AGon, it doesn't make a lick of sense to get Fielder.

that argument works at almost every position: at catcher (ramos) first, second (Espinosa/Lombo), short (Espinosa/Lombo/Desmond), third (Zimmerman), right (Werth), left (Morse- assuming Marrero and LaRoche). That leaves centerfield, and there are none on the market capable of transforming a bottom five offense.

Bloo · « **Reply #456 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:51:28 pm »

I'd sign a spiritual bench player in order to bring Wilson to this club. He doesn't seem to get along with a lot of players in the Ranger's clubhouse because of their apparent disinterest/apathy in politics.

Slateman · « **Reply #457 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:52:54 pm »

Wait Wilson is a religious/political nut ?

Bloo · « **Reply #458 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:55:11 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on September 20, 2011, 10:52:54 pm

Wait Wilson is a religious/political nut ?

Yeah. He has a Chinese Tao symbol tattoed on his chest.

Slateman · « **Reply #459 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:57:20 pm »

Oh so he's new age. Eh that's a little different.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #460 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:05:02 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on September 20, 2011, 10:50:57 pm

that argument works at almost every position: at catcher (ramos) first, second (Espinosa/Lombo), short (Espinosa/Lombo/Desmond), third (Zimmerman), right (Werth), left (Morse- assuming Marrero and LaRoche). That leaves centerfield, and there are none on the market capable of transforming a bottom five offense.

No, but typical growth from Desi, Espi and Ramos, a full season of healthy Zim and LaRoche and a bounce-back from Werth do. If Morse shows this year wasn't a fluke then that's even better. Adding a leadoff CF, probably have to be acquired through a trade, would make it very potent.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #461 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:09:58 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on September 20, 2011, 11:05:02 pm

No, but typical growth from Desi, Espi and Ramos, a full season of healthy Zim and LaRoche and a bounce-back from Werth do. If Morse shows this year wasn't a fluke then that's even better. Adding a leadoff CF, probably have to be acquired through a trade, would make it very potent.

so by natural improvement and trading for a good offensive and defensive center fielder (are there even any on the market- there aren't many in baseball period), we go from bottom of the NL to respectable?

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #462 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:15:46 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on September 20, 2011, 11:09:58 pm

so by natural improvement and trading for a good offensive and defensive center fielder (are there even any on the market- there aren't many in baseball period), we go from bottom of the NL to respectable?

And full healthy seasons from Zim and LaRoche. Yes. Absolutely. Also assuming we get similar production from Morse and Werth.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #463 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:22:29 pm »

from 2009-2011 (i'm starting there since in 08 the numbers were truly terrible), we're the fourth worst team in the NL by offensive war and equally bad in runs scored. Somehow, doing nothing and trotting the same team out doesn't seem to be the answer

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #464 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:25:43 pm »

A lineup with a healthy Zim, LaRoche and a real leadoff guy, is quite a bit different than what we've seen most of this year.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #465 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:30:40 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on September 20, 2011, 11:25:43 pm

A lineup with a healthy Zim, LaRoche and a real leadoff guy, is quite a bit different than what we've seen most of this year.

that's why I went back to 2009. Even in 2010 (full season of Dunn playing better than LaRoche ever has), we were 5th worst in WAR, 3rd worst in runs

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #466 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:48:05 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on September 20, 2011, 11:30:40 pm

that's why I went back to 2009. Even in 2010 (full season of Dunn playing better than LaRoche ever has), we were 5th worst in WAR, 3rd worst in runs

But that was also w/o Morse, Werth, Espinosa, Desmond any sort of bat at C. That lineup was basically Zim and Dunn. It's a lot more than that now, or will be once they get them all in there together for a full year.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #467 on:** September 20, 2011, 11:59:14 pm »

I don't see the same team with whatever incremental improvements ( and hopefully no slumps) making that kind of leap

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #468 on:** September 21, 2011, 12:03:02 am »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on September 20, 2011, 11:59:14 pm

I don't see the same team with whatever incremental improvements ( and hopefully no slumps) making that kind of leap

I think you think I'm saying they'll turn into one of the best offenses in the league. I'm not saying that. I think they can move from a bad offense to a 12-15 offense (in all of baseball) with a true leadoff and the lineup they they thought they would field out of spring training with Ramos over Pudge. I do think that offense jumps into the top half of the league.

Smithian · « **Reply #469 on:** September 21, 2011, 01:36:07 am »

One of our #1 FA targets needs to be CMW...

Kevrock · « **Reply #470 on:** September 21, 2011, 06:43:53 am »

From wikipedia on CJ Wilson

Personal life and beliefs

Wilson is a devoted Taoist and adheres to a "Straight Edge" way of life (abstaining from alcohol, illegal drugs, and promiscuous sex in order to maintain health). As a sign of his choice of being Straight Edge, Wilson has the words "Straight Edge" tattooed along the length of his torso, Japanese characters on his shoulder that read "Poison Free" and "XXX" stitched on his blue glove as a straight edge symbol. The blue glove is itself unusual among baseball players (who generally wear a traditional brown-colored glove). Wilson wears the blue glove when the Rangers wear their blue uniforms (or their road grey uniforms); he also has a similarly-decorated red glove when pitching in games where the Rangers wear their alternate red uniforms.

Wilson is highly interested in politics, which he said is in stark contrast to other Major League baseball players in an interview with ESPN.com's Page 2. His characterizations of typical ballplayers in this same interview and some of his posts on the blog lonestarball.com generated minor controversy within the Rangers' clubhouse.

Wilson races race cars in his free time, and has mentioned he aims to be a professional racer after his baseball career; he also is highly interested in cars, having a collection of Porsches. Wilson won the E1 class in the 2010 25 Hours of Thunderhill.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #471 on:** September 21, 2011, 08:21:14 am »

I'm less concerned about adding big boppers than I am about adding OBP. A team OBP of .309 just can't hack it. Our ISO has stayed the same as last year and is in the middle of the pack in the NL (.140), as is our home run total. We are 3 behind last year without Dunn and Willingham and only having RZ for 1/3 of the year. We had substantial improvements offensively at 2d and catcher, and RF despite only getting an off year out of Werth.

An optimist can say, "Add a .350+ OBP leadoff hitter, get LaRoche back healthy, and then the offense is in good shape." I can be happy with Mystery Leadoff hitter (2d /CF) in front of Werth - RZ - Morse - LaRoche - Espinosa - Ramos - defensive MI / CF." Just solve for X, where X = Real Leadoff Hitter.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #472 on:** September 21, 2011, 08:27:12 am »

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Oh so he's new age. Eh that's a little different.

I will personally take hiim to Teaism and drink green tea (Dragonwell my preference, but if he insists on Sencha I'll stretch) if it helps in the recruiting. My treat, even if he is the one who will be making $18MM a year for the next 5 years, or more. Anyone know yoga?

Tyler Durden · « **Reply #473 on:** September 21, 2011, 08:27:31 am »

Maybe we can swing a trade for Brett Garnder for some of our pitching? Yanks can't start the year with Freddy Garcia and Bartolo Colon again can they? Of course, they could just sign Prince Fielder to DH for them and mash their way to another crown.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #474 on:** September 21, 2011, 08:38:06 am »

Yankees will go with a Banuelos or Betances in the rotation at some point next year. Figure they keep CC, are stuck with Burnett, like Nova, and will give Hughes every shot. I don't see why they would move Gardner. If they wanted to swap out LFs, they would have gone for Crawford (unless they were prescient). Any Gardner deal would have to involve JZ, I think. I don't see Lannan plus a top 10 pitcher from our system (Cole?) doing the trick,and it would leave a hole in left for them. Lannan is not an upgrade over Colon or what they have in the wings.