The "Former Nat Watch" Thread (2011)

[Lintyfresh85]

I'll believe that when I see it - he's the worst regular player in recent history right now.

Have you ever heard of Brandon Wood?

[houston-nat]

Is Dunn still on pace for the worst season in 120 years?

[Kevrock]

All Dunn has to do is come back to the National League and he will hit again.

LOL. His interleague stats disagree.

.063/.182/.083    .265    OPS 0 HR.

[Lintyfresh85]

LOL. His interleague stats disagree.

.063/.182/.083    .265    OPS 0 HR.

Look, I get it that it's cool to clown on Dunn around this board... but picking, what, 10 games to say he couldn't still hit in the NL is a bit ridiculous.

[tomterp]

Look, I get it that it's cool to clown on Dunn around this board... but picking, what, 10 games to say he couldn't still hit in the NL is a bit ridiculous.

Isn't it also pretty ridiculous to assume that changing leagues is going to allow some magic mojo to descend on Dunn, restoring him to his former glory?

AL pitchers are selected from the same pool of candidates that NL pitchers are.  Pitchers in both leagues are traded back and forth, become free agents, sign with teams in other leagues, etc.  There's not some big dramatic difference between them, unless you believe in voodoo.

[EdStroud]

Position Players who are ex-Nationals and still in National League(some like Wily Mo Pena may have been released or demoted)

Player           Age    G    PA    AB    R    H    2B    3B    HR    RBI    SB    CS    BB    SO    BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
Endy Chavez   33    50   180  165   27   51    8     2       5      22     6      3      8     17   .309   .335   .473   .808
Willie Harris    33    85   183  158   25   38    9     0       1      12     4      4     22    52   .241   .344   .316   .661
E. Bonifacio    26   106   427  373  58  107   18    4       2      18    27     7     42     87   .287   .359   .373   .732
B. Schneider   34    27     94    84    8    15    4     0      2       7      0      0      8     21   .179   .255   .298   .553
Pete Orr         32    29     69    63    5   15    3     0       0       3      1      0      5     10   .238   .304   .286   .590
Nyjer Morgan  30    77   266   242  39   79   13     6      3      27      6      3      6     47   .326   .360   .467   .827
Felipe Lopez   31    10    40     34    4    8     0     0       0      3       0      0      3      5    .235   .289   .235   .525
Jerry Hairston 35     6     14     14    3    3     1     0       0      0       0      0      0      1    .214   .214   .286   .500
A. Soriano      35    97   357   337  38  82    16    0      19     53      1      1     18     85   .243   .283   .460   .743
Marlon Byrd    33    76   311   290  39  89    18    2       6      22      2      1     13     53   .307   .350   .445   .795
Wily Mo Pena 29    17    46     46    7   9      0     0       5      7       0      0      0      19   .196   .196   .522   .717
Jamey Carroll 37   106   377   333  40  99    13    4       0      10    10      0     37     43   .297   .368   .360   .729
Josh Wilson   30    36    54     51    9  14     4     0       2       3      1      0      3      14   .275   .315   .471   .785
Wil Nieves     33    20   54     50    2    7     2     0      0        0      0      0      3      12   .140   .189   .180   .369
C. Patterson  31    11    29     28    3    6     2     0      0       2       0      1      1       6   .214    .241   .286   .527
A. Gonzalez   28    72   194   181  15  38     6     1      1      25       1     2       9      28  .210    .253   .271   .523
* if I missed any let me know and I will add to list  
  
  
      

[EdStroud]

I'll believe that when I see it - he's the worst regular player in recent history right now.

Hey with the numbers he has put up you could no doubt be correct.  There are some players who for some reason or another need time to adjust to or just hit better in the National or American Leagues. 

[EdStroud]

Isn't it also pretty ridiculous to assume that changing leagues is going to allow some magic mojo to descend on Dunn, restoring him to his former glory?

AL pitchers are selected from the same pool of candidates that NL pitchers are.  Pitchers in both leagues are traded back and forth, become free agents, sign with teams in other leagues, etc.  There's not some big dramatic difference between them, unless you believe in voodoo.

IMHO....

The biggest difference to me is that in the National League batters seem to be challenged more.  In the American League pitchers seem to accept deeper counts and walks alittle more.

[Kevrock]

Look, I get it that it's cool to clown on Dunn around this board... but picking, what, 10 games to say he couldn't still hit in the NL is a bit ridiculous.

I wasn't clowning on Dunn, I was responding to a mindfact with the largest sample size available (14 games).

You're too sensitive about Dunn. No one here is rooting against him. His season has been surprising, historic, and oddly fascinating.

[spidernat]

You're too sensitive about Dunn. No one here is rooting against him.

There are a couple who are rooting against him.

[blue911]

I wasn't clowning on Dunn, I was responding to a mindfact with the largest sample size available (14 games).

You're too sensitive about Dunn. No one here is rooting against him. His season has been surprising, historic, and oddly fascinating.

IMO what really stands out is how ineffective he has been against lefties. And Ozzie not wanting him probably doesn't help his confidence.

[MarquisDeSade]

And Ozzie not wanting him probably doesn't help his confidence.

Outside of AJ and Paulie who has Ozzie wanted?

[PANatsFan]

IMHO....

The biggest difference to me is that in the National League batters seem to be challenged more.  In the American League pitchers seem to accept deeper counts and walks alittle more.

He's good at walks and deep counts, though.

[EdStroud]

He's good at walks and deep counts, though.

If I were a GM I'd still take a chance he bounces back next year.  Like someone else said maybe he and Ozzie dont get along?

[PANatsFan]

If I were a GM I'd still take a chance he bounces back next year.  Like someone else said maybe he and Ozzie dont get along?

That makes him kinda of a bad sport then if he can't play through it? It's really bizarre, maybe he needs a hypnotist or something.

[houston-nat]

That makes him kinda of a bad sport then if he can't play through it? It's really bizarre, maybe he needs a hypnotist or something.

Yoooooooouuuuuu are getting hiiitterisssshhhhh....

[spidernat]

That makes him kinda of a bad sport then if he can't play through it? It's really bizarre, maybe he needs a hypnotist or something.

SFnyanPANatsFan

[mitlen]

Position Players who are ex-Nationals and still in National League(some like Wily Mo Pena may have been released or demoted)

Player           Age    G    PA    AB    R    H    2B    3B    HR    RBI    SB    CS    BB    SO    BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
Endy Chavez   33    50   180  165   27   51    8     2       5      22     6      3      8     17   .309   .335   .473   .808
Willie Harris    33    85   183  158   25   38    9     0       1      12     4      4     22    52   .241   .344   .316   .661
E. Bonifacio    26   106   427  373  58  107   18    4       2      18    27     7     42     87   .287   .359   .373   .732
B. Schneider   34    27     94    84    8    15    4     0      2       7      0      0      8     21   .179   .255   .298   .553
Pete Orr         32    29     69    63    5   15    3     0       0       3      1      0      5     10   .238   .304   .286   .590
Nyjer Morgan  30    77   266   242  39   79   13     6      3      27      6      3      6     47   .326   .360   .467   .827
Felipe Lopez   31    10    40     34    4    8     0     0       0      3       0      0      3      5    .235   .289   .235   .525
Jerry Hairston 35     6     14     14    3    3     1     0       0      0       0      0      0      1    .214   .214   .286   .500
A. Soriano      35    97   357   337  38  82    16    0      19     53      1      1     18     85   .243   .283   .460   .743
Marlon Byrd    33    76   311   290  39  89    18    2       6      22      2      1     13     53   .307   .350   .445   .795
Wily Mo Pena 29    17    46     46    7   9      0     0       5      7       0      0      0      19   .196   .196   .522   .717
Jamey Carroll 37   106   377   333  40  99    13    4       0      10    10      0     37     43   .297   .368   .360   .729
Josh Wilson   30    36    54     51    9  14     4     0       2       3      1      0      3      14   .275   .315   .471   .785
Wil Nieves     33    20   54     50    2    7     2     0      0        0      0      0      3      12   .140   .189   .180   .369
C. Patterson  31    11    29     28    3    6     2     0      0       2       0      1      1       6   .214    .241   .286   .527

* if I missed any let me know and I will add to list   
 
       

That's good stuff, Ed.   Thanks

[NatsDad14]

For some reason PANatsFan finds something irresistible about Marquis that Dunn does not have.

Well PaNatsFan has a lot more in common with Marquis than Dunn.

[Lintyfresh85]

Well PaNatsFan has a lot more in common with Marquis than Dunn.

[EdStroud]

ex-Nationals Pitchers in the National League

Pitcher         Age  W  L  W-L%  ERA   G  GS GF CG SHO SV   IP   H   R   ER  HR BB   K   WHIP
B Sanches      32   4   1  .800    3.38  36  2   8   0    0    0  58.2 46  27  22   4  33   49  1.347
M Batista       40   3   2  .600    4.60  26  1   2   0    0    0  29.1 27  20  15   2  19   16  1.568
J Hanrahan     29   0   1  .000    1.06  50  0  44  0    0   30 51.0  37  7    6    1   8    43  0.882
Joe Beimel     34   1   1  .500    4.24  31  0   7   0    0    0  23.1 29  13  11   3   7    17  1.543
Tim Wood      28   0   3  .000    5.63  13  0   5   0    0    0   8.0   8   5    5    1   8     2  2.000
Bill Bray         28   2   2  .500    2.41  60  0   8   0    0    0 37.1 26   10 10    1 14    32  1.071
Ramon Ortiz   38   0   2  .000    6.98   7   2   0   0    0    0 19.1 23   17 15    5   7    15  1.552
J Marquis       32   0   1  .000   12.38   2   2   0   0    0    0  8.0 19   15 11     2  3     3   2.750
M MacDougal  34   0   1  .000    2.13  51   0  10  0    0    1 42.1 38   13 10    2 21    28  1.394
 

[PANatsFan]

*yawn*

[NatsDad14]

*yawn*

I don't know about that. Those pitchers seem like they are doing a good job away from the Nats.

[imref]

Indians designate Austin Kearns for assignment.  he's batting .200 / .302 / .287 this year.

Maybe we could sign him to improve our leadoff production?

[PANatsFan]

I don't know about that. Those pitchers seem like they are doing a good job away from the Nats.

The yawn is to the haterz on the thread.