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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3126 on: September 29, 2011, 07:46:00 am »
28.IX.2011 - NIGHT OF THE CHOKERS! BRAVES AND RED SOX GO DOWN!

Sorry, but you have to win all of the matches to qualify....

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3127 on: September 29, 2011, 08:43:42 am »
Anyone catch Buster Olney on M&M this morning?  He went through all the amazing aspects of last night - called it the greatest night in regular season baseball history:

- The Braves cap off the biggest collapse in baseball history, only to have the Red Sox top it 30 minutes later
- Red Sox were 77-0 in games where they led in the 8th
- Yankees hadn't blown a 7 run lead since 1953
- three teams took leads into the 9th and lost

The baseball Gods had a blast last night.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3128 on: September 29, 2011, 08:50:57 am »
Anyone catch Buster Olney on M&M this morning?  He went through all the amazing aspects of last night - called it the greatest night in regular season baseball history:

- The Braves cap off the biggest collapse in baseball history, only to have the Red Sox top it 30 minutes later
- Red Sox were 77-0 in games where they led in the 8th
- Yankees hadn't blown a 7 run lead since 1953
- three teams took leads into the 9th and lost

The baseball Gods had a blast last night.

Switched over to Orioles-Bosux after the Caps broadcast last night...probably the only time I ever rooted for the Orioles...so bloody fine to see Red Sox Nation and also Red Sox Nation Lite (d/b/a Braves supporters) being sent home CRYING!!!

There is no point in prettifying or sanitising it...these were classic chokes.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3129 on: September 29, 2011, 09:11:12 am »
- Yankees hadn't blown a 7 run lead since 1953

Incorrect.  They blew one against the Nationals in 2006.  No surprise that Olney and his stooges would completely overlook that though.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3130 on: September 29, 2011, 09:34:49 am »
I thought you hated the Red Sox.



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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3131 on: September 29, 2011, 09:42:35 am »
I just saw a replay of the game winning hit for the O's. It looked like the ball was catchable, am I wrong?

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3132 on: September 29, 2011, 09:45:14 am »
I just saw a replay of the game winning hit for the O's. It looked like the ball was catchable, am I wrong?

Nope. We'll have to get JCA's take on it, after they talk him out of jumping.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3133 on: September 29, 2011, 09:54:02 am »
Incorrect.  They blew one against the Nationals in 2006.  No surprise that Olney and his stooges would completely overlook that though.

That stat comes from Elias, not ESPN.

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« Reply #3134 on: September 29, 2011, 09:54:26 am »
That stat comes from Elias, not ESPN.

Shrug.  That doesn't change the facts.  Nor does it change my opinion that Olney is a stooge :mg:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/WAS/WAS200606170.shtml

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3135 on: September 29, 2011, 10:41:27 am »
A friend of mine is working at the John Hancock Tower in Boston today.  He's hoping to record them taking down the Big Papi TBS Playoffs billboard today.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3136 on: September 29, 2011, 10:56:35 am »
Incorrect.  They blew one against the Nationals in 2006.  No surprise that Olney and his stooges would completely overlook that though.

Not to defend the crap hole that is ESPN, but I believe he said it was the first time since 1953 that the Yankees blew a 7 run lead going into the 8th inning.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3137 on: September 29, 2011, 10:58:04 am »
Not to defend the crap hole that is ESPN, but I believe he said it was the first time since 1953 that the Yankees blew a 7 run lead going into the 8th inning.

That would make more sense then.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3138 on: September 29, 2011, 11:02:06 am »
Anyone else see sox nation/espn blaming the Yankees for not bringing in Rivera in the 9th?

Called it

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3139 on: September 29, 2011, 11:03:21 am »
Called it



Well I was watching and thinking: Where the hell is Mo Rivera? Then I remembered it was meaningless to the Yanks. The Braves can SUCK IT.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3140 on: September 29, 2011, 11:11:32 am »
BTW, Jose Reyes is a nag.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3141 on: September 29, 2011, 11:12:36 am »
Does Boston get the Dan Snyder trophy?


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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3143 on: September 29, 2011, 01:22:34 pm »
Kirchen and Olney must have needed multiple pant changes last night - Kirchen called it the greatest night in regular season baseball history, I'm not sure I can disagree.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3144 on: September 29, 2011, 01:28:50 pm »
Kirchen and Olney must have needed multiple pant changes last night - Kirchen called it the greatest night in regular season baseball history, I'm not sure I can disagree.

2 playoff spots on the line, multiple extra inning games and the 1 2 way the Sox game ended followed almost immediately by the Rays game- it was better than most actual post season baseball


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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3145 on: September 29, 2011, 01:41:42 pm »
Now I just hope the Bruins sail right into a reef this winter.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3146 on: September 29, 2011, 02:24:14 pm »
Anyone else see sox nation/espn blaming the Yankees for not bringing in Rivera in the 9th?

FWIW, I did not hear a single caller or commentator bring that one up on "Dennis and Callahan" this AM, and did not hear it mentioned on NESN. 

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3147 on: September 29, 2011, 02:29:17 pm »
FWIW, I did not hear a single caller or commentator bring that one up on "Dennis and Callahan" this AM, and did not hear it mentioned on NESN. 

Boston fans prefer self loathing- espn just wants someone to blame for the calamity


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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3148 on: September 29, 2011, 03:05:24 pm »
I just saw a replay of the game winning hit for the O's. It looked like the ball was catchable, am I wrong?

Nope. We'll have to get JCA's take on it, after they talk him out of jumping.

Blame up here is pretty wide spread.  Favorite targets include Theo (did not make any moves down the stretch other than Bedard), Francona (generalized griping mostly focused on listlessness of team and passivity in moves), Crawford, starting pitchers, "everyone except Pedroia, Aceves, Scutaro, and Ellsbury," Ortiz (turned into a singles hitter and bonehead baserunner), and anyone making a lot of money. 

Not that much anger at Papelbon (he was gassed).  Fair amount of sentiment to bring him back rather than turn things over to Bard.

Biggest target is probably Theo right now. Lack of depth - Why is Kyle Weiland pitching?  Are you serious about bringing in Bruce Chen if we have a tie breaking game?  Poor talent evaluaition - Crawford is getting a $4.5 MM raise next year?  3 more years of Lackey?  Conditioning - What are we paying a trainer for if these guys are this out of shape? 

Crawford's catch?  I'd love to see how UZR grades that one.  Was it an uncatchable ball that he got his glove on due to great range or was it a pathetic drop that an outfielder should have made?  Critics are all over him.  As for me, I did not see what kind of jump he got.  It is the second similar drop in the past week.  I think the other was either in a Beckett start or Lester's last start when a catch would have choked off a big inning.  It bears mention that his previous worse season was 2008, when he was with the Rays.  About the only guy to have a down year for that team.  I know at the time I said I wished he had been signed by the Nats and the Sox had signed Werrth.   After watching a lot of games this September, no way would I put any faith in this guy.  Rizzo made the better call, even if Werth is an overpay.

I went to sleep early last night, around 11:20.  I saw the Johnson homer, Kimbrel blow his save, and maybe the top of the 8th in the Os game.  Dog tired after the prior night (11:30) and getting up at 5 AM for the drive north.  I pulled out the Game 4 ALCS strategy of going to sleep with the game on the line, figuring that if it is a win there is a game tomorrow and if it is a loss, I don't want to see it.

As for me, I saw this one as a real possibility about a month ago.  I think both BP and Coolstandings, using modeling based on variants of season long pythagorean equations to get 98+% odds on every leader except the Rangers, were foolish at the time and so posted here in the the "playoff lock" thread.  Any model that was based on a healthy Youkilis, a healthy Beckett, and one of Buccholz and Bedard being rotation regulars, and a Rays team without Desmond Jennings, Matt Moore, Brandon Guyer, and an unsettled bullpen just was not going to reflect reality.  I did not buy projecting the last 10 day schedule based on the 25 man roster performance during the year either.  Buck showed what he could do to a lefty line up when he had rostered 4 lefty relievers.  As for the Braves, starting pitching. 

Not to diminish the absolute numbers of the Red Sox collapse in terms of lead in the won-loss column, but that 99.6% estimate by Silver is so full of it that he should use it as a call to examine his models.  Note, by the way, that ZiPS used a different model and when CS was still over 95%, Szymborski was around 75% because he used Rest of Season projections for players and runs created / allowed rather than season long numbers. 

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2011)
« Reply #3149 on: September 29, 2011, 03:13:33 pm »
Crawford should have that ball, and even after he missed it she should have thrown the hardest ball home he has ever thrown in his life.  Instead he seemed to mail it in.