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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #575 on: May 04, 2010, 12:22:46 pm »
If you rely on your best arms, you're a bad manager for wearing guys out.  If you distribute the workload, you're a bad manager for using bad pitchers.  Sounds like a pretty thankless job to me :lol:

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #576 on: May 04, 2010, 12:24:54 pm »
Fortunately, TClip is sitting on 3 days rest and should be ready to go.  It wouldn't suck though (unless we're losing) if he got the day off today too.  The 3 of 4 days stuff can't happen often though...

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #577 on: May 04, 2010, 12:28:28 pm »
I know Riggleman doesn't want to overwork T-Clip, but he's trying to win games.  Batista/Walker/Bruney haven't proven that they are capable of getting the job done in the 8th.  Hopefully Storen is called up soon and can lock down the 7th inning role (and 8th when Barbershop needs a break). 

And as DPM said, T-Clip is getting some time off here and there.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #578 on: May 04, 2010, 02:06:42 pm »
I think this list is missing one man... Tyler Clippard!

I know he's not going out there throwing 100 pitches every time he takes the mound... but the kid looks worn down already! Might be time to ease up on him just a bit.

I specifically looked for him in the list, and he's down at the bottom with all the rest who are ranked at zero stress points.   Kind of suspicious, not sure why he'd be that low. 

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #579 on: May 04, 2010, 02:10:46 pm »
I specifically looked for him in the list, and he's down at the bottom with all the rest who are ranked at zero stress points.   Kind of suspicious, not sure why he'd be that low. 

Maybe the formula doesn't weight the right categories to properly project stress points for relievers. At first glance it looked to quantify the stress ranking based on number of pitches thrown, innings, etc but for a starter they would see days off between starts where as some relievers are being called upon several days in a row without rest to their arm. So while they throw fewer innings/total number of pitches it's still stressful because they don't get to rest.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #580 on: May 04, 2010, 02:53:25 pm »
Maybe the formula doesn't weight the right categories to properly project stress points for relievers. At first glance it looked to quantify the stress ranking based on number of pitches thrown, innings, etc but for a starter they would see days off between starts where as some relievers are being called upon several days in a row without rest to their arm. So while they throw fewer innings/total number of pitches it's still stressful because they don't get to rest.

I've never dug into the stat before, didn't even look up the definitions of the various columns, though some are self explanatory.  Shocking to see Liriano getting worked so hard, too.  Guy just got back and he's being ridden hard.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #581 on: May 04, 2010, 03:15:09 pm »
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Central to this system is the presumption that the threshold is the same for everybody: 100 pitches. Common sense dictates that all pitchers are not built alike; they have different builds, different work ethics, different mechanics and so on. And no, we don't know what the thresholds are for individual pitchers. PAP was not designed to be a universal yardstick, measuring all pitchers' workloads with disregard for context.

If your Ford Taurus gets 24 miles to the gallon, while mine gets just 18 miles per gallon, is your car more fuel-efficient? Not necessarily; what if you drive your car on empty highways across Nebraska while mine gets stuck in rush hour traffic around San Francisco Bay? Similarly, who knows for sure if Randy Johnson is more hurt by getting 45 PAPs per start than John Snyder is racking up 20 PAPs per start?


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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #582 on: May 04, 2010, 03:29:39 pm »
I've never dug into the stat before, didn't even look up the definitions of the various columns, though some are self explanatory.  Shocking to see Liriano getting worked so hard, too.  Guy just got back and he's being ridden hard.

He is having a really good start to the season :shock: Looks like he has been averaging around 100 pitches and 8 IP. He currently has a 1.50 ERA in 36 IP with 36 K's and 13 BB.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #583 on: May 04, 2010, 03:33:23 pm »
Shocking to see Liriano getting worked so hard, too.  Guy just got back and he's being ridden hard.

Maybe that's the new inefficiency- protecting pitchers who will leave via free agency anyway. Maybe the twins are just riding him hard because they know he's gone at some point. I seem to remember Santana getting similiar treatment.

Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #584 on: May 04, 2010, 03:48:13 pm »
Maybe that's the new inefficiency- protecting pitchers who will leave via free agency anyway. Maybe the twins are just riding him hard because they know he's gone at some point. I seem to remember Santana getting similiar treatment.

Might as well milk him. I hope the Nats do the same with Bryce Harper (even though he isn't a pitcher, still, gun him hard).

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #585 on: May 04, 2010, 10:44:29 pm »
The Hotel Masturbating, Baltimore-hater drives in two for Giants.  They lead 8-6 in the 12th.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #586 on: May 04, 2010, 11:02:18 pm »
Giants win 9-6. :clap:

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #587 on: May 05, 2010, 12:09:41 am »
The Hotel Masturbating, Baltimore-hater drives in two for Giants.  They lead 8-6 in the 12th.

Hotel Masturbating?  Que? :rofl:

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #588 on: May 05, 2010, 08:16:32 am »
These guys Huff once went on the radio and said he used to jerk off all day at the hotel on road trips because he had nothing else to do.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #589 on: May 05, 2010, 11:00:24 am »
On the pitcher abuse points, I wonder how many Lester racked up last night.  8 IP, 120 pitches, 25 in the last inning worked, in which he got himself into and out of a bases loaded, 1 out jam in a 1 -1 game.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #590 on: May 05, 2010, 12:42:14 pm »
These guys Huff once went on the radio and said he used to jerk off all day at the hotel on road trips because he had nothing else to do.

The Huff thing was hilarious at the time :lol:

Link: http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2007/11/12/aubrey-huff-probably-wont-be-doing-radio-again-anytime-soon/

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Huff: "It's all I do. It's all I do. You guys have no idea how much downtime there is in baseball. You wake up from a hangover about 1 o'clock."
Producer shouts: "In the afternoon?"
Huff: "Oh, yeah! Lemme tell you this. When you are hung over, how horny are you? I'm horny, when I'm hungover, I'm horny. So I'm just gonna beat off. And that's all I do."

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #591 on: May 05, 2010, 03:41:54 pm »
:clap: :clap:

Mets lost in 10.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #592 on: May 05, 2010, 04:04:16 pm »
(After striking out in the 6th inning) Milton Bradley took his ball and went home...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2011785415_milton_bradley_packed_up_left.html

Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #593 on: May 05, 2010, 04:19:05 pm »
(After striking out in the 6th inning) Milton Bradley took his ball and went home...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersblog/2011785415_milton_bradley_packed_up_left.html

What a jag-off.

Remember when Air Awesome Guy was rooting for this idiot to become a Nat?

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #594 on: May 05, 2010, 04:21:40 pm »
What a jag-off.

Remember when Air Awesome Guy was rooting for this idiot to become a Nat?
could you imagine an outfield of Bradley, Milledge and Dukes?

:shock:

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #595 on: May 05, 2010, 04:23:25 pm »
Mets and BlO's lose today :clap: :clap:

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #596 on: May 05, 2010, 04:34:47 pm »
could you imagine an outfield of Bradley, Milledge and Dukes?

:shock:

Air Awesome Guy would run onto the field with a banana in his pocket trying to capture them all in a bear hug, only to be tased by Nationals Park security

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #597 on: May 05, 2010, 04:50:46 pm »
Air Awesome Guy would run onto the field with a banana in his pocket trying to capture them all in a bear hug, only to be tased by Nationals Park security

And anyone of them could ask him...Is that a banana in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?!  :rimshot:

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #598 on: May 05, 2010, 05:01:38 pm »
Cards should whoop the Phillies tonight. Penny vs Kendrick.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2010)
« Reply #599 on: May 05, 2010, 05:03:02 pm »
the Phils really do have all sorts of issues once they get past Halladay and sometimes Hammels, don't they?  Goodness.  Too bad not many teams can keep  up with them offensively...