Author Topic: O-Dog (Orlando Hudson) (Read 32424 times)

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #125 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:53:13 pm »

Quote from: Dunnkey on January 13, 2010, 12:21:54 pm

He earned it.

No argument there.

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #126 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:55:17 pm »

Quote from: dirtynat on January 13, 2010, 12:53:02 pm

And 15 of those errors might have come in the same situation.

Which still allows them to get a run plus. If he gets a run on the board its all him and its the rest of the teams fault for not doing anything else but if he lets a runner on its his fault and the rest of the team has to back him up, especially the pitcher, to avoid not letting any harm done.

dirtynat · « **Reply #127 on:** January 13, 2010, 12:57:49 pm »

Quote from: cmdterps44 on January 13, 2010, 12:55:17 pm

Which still allows them to get a run plus. If he gets a run on the board its all him and its the rest of the teams fault for not doing anything else but if he lets a runner on its his fault and the rest of the team has to back him up, especially the pitcher, to avoid not letting any harm done.

An error results in a run every time? Weird.

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #128 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:00:38 pm »

Quote from: dirtynat on January 13, 2010, 12:57:49 pm

An error results in a run every time? Weird.

Errors result in an overtaxing of pitchers - every time; and some weigh more heavily than others.

Besides that, if you really think that measuring a player's defensive merits rests on errors alone, you really should stick to football.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #129 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:00:57 pm »

Quote from: cmdterps44 on January 13, 2010, 12:50:45 pm

No but are you ignoring that 34 of those homers might have come in a useless situation? What if the Marlins were down 5-0 and Uggla hit a homer? Its putting up one run. One run is nice. It could spark some offense and give them a chance but what if in an earlier situation he had 2 men on with 1 out and hit into a DP or struck out? Id like to know how he hit in situations like that to get to know his offense more. Runs are runs. They are good to have but Id like to know aside from hitting those homers, has he knocked people in or does he get base hits with people on?

All home run hitters will hit homers that decide games and will hit them in blowouts. The same argument can be made for the errors. how many of them let in the game winning run? how many came in an 8-0 blowout? As Tom said, it's more about is he able to get to the balls an average 2b gets to. Uggla is among the league's worst.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #130 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:01:16 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 13, 2010, 12:51:44 pm

Zimm hit .221 in September/October.

Stop showing your bias.

RZ hit .259 with 7 Doubles, 1 Triple, 6 HRs, 16 RBIs, and 16 Runs in 108 ABs in Sept/Oct.

Dunn hit .212 with 3 Doubles, 3 HRs, 14 RBIs, and 10 Runs in 99 ABs in Sept/Oct.

Willingham hit .156 with 2 Doubles, 3 HRs, 4 RBIs, and 7 Runs in 90 ABs in Sept/Oct.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #131 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:04:30 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on January 13, 2010, 12:43:35 pm

If our guys stay healthy, Morgan playing a full season for us should help A LOT and Flores/Pudge is a lot better than Bard/Nieves. I'm expecting our offense to be top 10 this year. Our pitching will probably still be bottom 5, though.

Morgan had a breakout year defensively, and his 46 games for the Nats saved more runs that most of the best CF's did for all of 2009 last year. If he keeps that up, along with his valuable offensive contribution, he will be the best CF in baseball.

Big if, though. His UZR/150 for the Nats was around 40 runs. 40 runs!!!! What's that, like 8 wins?

The Chief · « **Reply #132 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:10:12 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 13, 2010, 01:01:16 pm

RZ hit .259 with 7 Doubles, 1 Triple, 6 HRs, 16 RBIs, and 16 Runs in 108 ABs in Sept/Oct.

Dunn hit .212 with 3 Doubles, 3 HRs, 14 RBIs, and 10 Runs in 99 ABs in Sept/Oct.

So your proof that Dunn faded and Zimmerman didn't is to post that Dunn had 90% of the runs produced per AB that Zimmerman had? OMG THAT'S SOME EPIC FADE-AGE!!!

tomterp · « **Reply #133 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:10:46 pm »

Here are Uggla's splits by situation:

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #134 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:22:01 pm »

Quote from: Dunnkey on January 13, 2010, 01:10:12 pm

So your proof that Dunn faded and Zimmerman didn't is to post that Dunn had 90% of the runs produced per AB that Zimmerman had? OMG THAT'S SOME EPIC FADE-AGE!!!

Zim had 4 more doubles, 3 more HRs, 2 more RBIs, 6 more Runs and had a BA 47 points higher.

The Chief · « **Reply #135 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:28:49 pm »

Dunn, 90% of the production/AB that Zimm had in Sept/Oct. The End. Regurgitate all the cherry picked facts from your mind that you like, it won't change that.

Every time Dunn started to struggle, Zimm did too. Worse, in some cases. I can show you a chart if you like. Guess Zimm isn't some super-human Atlas after all.

Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 13, 2010, 01:22:01 pm

Zim had 4 more doubles, 3 more HRs, 2 more RBIs, 6 more Runs and had a BA 47 points higher.

Only one-and-a-half of those stats actually matter.

PS - care to take a guess who drove Zimmerman in the majority of the season?

I can Throw · « **Reply #136 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:37:12 pm »

Its not about Zimm or Dunn, its about our options at 2nd base, particularly Orlando "Yellow Ribbon" Hudson.

The Chief · « **Reply #137 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:40:21 pm »

Quote from: I can Throw on January 13, 2010, 01:37:12 pm

Its not about Zimm or Dunn, its about our options at 2nd base, particularly Orlando "Yellow Ribbon" Hudson.

True, my mistake for getting dragged into their love-hate relationship and SFs obnoxiously obvious player biases.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #138 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:43:30 pm »

You guys are the one who started talking about last season. I hate that. Last season is over. Forget about it.

Let's focus on the upcoming season.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #139 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:45:30 pm »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on January 13, 2010, 01:01:16 pm

RZ hit .259 with 7 Doubles, 1 Triple, 6 HRs, 16 RBIs, and 16 Runs in 108 ABs in Sept/Oct.

Wrong.

houston-nat · « **Reply #140 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:47:43 pm »

Quote from: tomterp on January 13, 2010, 01:10:46 pm

Here are Uggla's splits by situation:

Okay, an OBP of .500 with the bases loaded is SICK.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #141 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:49:09 pm »

Quote from: houston-nat on January 13, 2010, 01:47:43 pm

Okay, an OBP of .500 with the bases loaded is SICK.

Seems to me the guy is the definition of clutch.

houston-nat · « **Reply #142 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:49:57 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 13, 2010, 01:45:30 pm

Wrong.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #143 on:** January 13, 2010, 01:55:18 pm »

Quote from: PANatsFan on January 13, 2010, 01:49:09 pm

Seems to me the guy is the definition of clutch.

unless there are runners on first and second

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #144 on:** January 13, 2010, 02:01:29 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 13, 2010, 01:45:30 pm

Wrong.

Where did we play on turf?

ronnynat · « **Reply #145 on:** January 13, 2010, 02:02:11 pm »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on January 13, 2010, 01:45:30 pm

Wrong.

^ Those Sep-Oct splits don't actually include his stats from October for some reason.

He had 7 hits, 4 doubles, and 2 RBI in October (4 games).

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #146 on:** January 13, 2010, 02:03:54 pm »

Quote from: Minty Fresh on January 13, 2010, 02:01:29 pm

Where did we play on turf?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/WSN/2008-schedule-scores.shtml

twins

Minty Fresh · « **Reply #147 on:** January 13, 2010, 02:04:58 pm »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on January 13, 2010, 02:03:54 pm

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/WSN/2008-schedule-scores.shtml

twins

I forgot we played in Minnesota last year.

Lots of stuff to forget about last year.

PANatsFan · « **Reply #148 on:** January 13, 2010, 02:11:54 pm »

No it must have been Tropicana. That's the 2008 schedule, Halfsmokes.

cmdterps44 · « **Reply #149 on:** January 13, 2010, 02:12:46 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on January 13, 2010, 01:00:57 pm

All home run hitters will hit homers that decide games and will hit them in blowouts. The same argument can be made for the errors. how many of them let in the game winning run? how many came in an 8-0 blowout? As Tom said, it's more about is he able to get to the balls an average 2b gets to. Uggla is among the league's worst.

Yeah I know. As I said earlier, I don't know where to find or how to read crap like that but I was merely stating that defense is very important. Even if the guy can hit 30 homers and post a 240 avg. I just didn't know where to look.