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Offline NatsDad14

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #275 on: September 02, 2009, 11:35:30 am »
College arms: LSU RHP Anthony Ranaudo, Ole Miss LHP Drew Pomeranz
HS arms: RHP Jameson Taillon, RHP AJ Cole

I would take Ranaudo or Taillon. I think that we shouldn't draft Harper so that we can spend a lot more on the rest of the draft like the Orioles or Pirates did. Brian, would you be favor in a philosophy similar if the team was guaranteed to spend a lot for the rest of the draft if they picked one of the guys on your list?

Offline NFA Brian

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #276 on: September 02, 2009, 11:44:04 am »
I would not take Taillon #1 overall. I am not a fan of HS arms that early unless they are without question the best best player available and Taillon doesn't have it head & shoulders over Ranaudo (likely the top college arm).

I understand what you are asking ... more the Pirates line of drafting from 2009. Grab a guy who you can get signed quickly around slot at #1 and then spread money around later.

Honestly, they should draft the best player available at #1 overall and that is Harper and STILL spread money around later.

In my opinion, the Nationals wasted an opportunity this year by being as conservative as they were later in the draft. The conventional wisdom was they were "saving" dollars for Strasburg. That was a mistake. They should be using these years of rebuilding to grab as many guys who slide as they can.

Offline KnorrForYourMoney

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #277 on: September 02, 2009, 11:50:35 am »
Honestly, they should draft the best player available at #1 overall and that is Harper and STILL spread money around later.

In my opinion, the Nationals wasted an opportunity this year by being as conservative as they were later in the draft. The conventional wisdom was they were "saving" dollars for Strasburg. That was a mistake. They should be using these years of rebuilding to grab as many guys who slide as they can.
AGREED

Losing Crow set their farm system back enough as it was.  That, coupled with the long-standing effect of the MLB reign, necessitated a very big draft from the Nats, and they fell slightly short.

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #278 on: September 02, 2009, 01:25:21 pm »
I would not take Taillon #1 overall. I am not a fan of HS arms that early unless they are without question the best best player available and Taillon doesn't have it head & shoulders over Ranaudo (likely the top college arm).

I understand what you are asking ... more the Pirates line of drafting from 2009. Grab a guy who you can get signed quickly around slot at #1 and then spread money around later.

Honestly, they should draft the best player available at #1 overall and that is Harper and STILL spread money around later.

In my opinion, the Nationals wasted an opportunity this year by being as conservative as they were later in the draft. The conventional wisdom was they were "saving" dollars for Strasburg. That was a mistake. They should be using these years of rebuilding to grab as many guys who slide as they can.
Why can't there be any more college hitters like Ryan Zimmerman, Ryan Braun, Gordon Beckham, etc?

That's what we badly need more of. :bang:

Offline NFA Brian

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #279 on: September 02, 2009, 01:32:50 pm »
Why can't there be any more college hitters like Ryan Zimmerman, Ryan Braun, Gordon Beckham, etc?

Because a large number of them sign as 1st rounders out of HS

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #280 on: September 02, 2009, 05:29:26 pm »
Considering we play a lot of good teams the rest away and the fact that we suck against good teams we will comfortably finish with the worst record. probably by 5-6 games.


I hate to admit this, but after the recent "bad patch"  and the season is over for us anyway I'm kinda wishing for that now ... as long as it means we wind up with Harper in the end.

What is his "natural position" by the way?  Wikipedia says "a catcher who can play shortstop and third base as well as pitch."   Well, he ain't playing 3B as long as Zim is here.   Shortstop, huh?  Can you imagine an infield of Dunn, Zim and Harper?

Well, a guy can dream, can't he?

Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #281 on: September 02, 2009, 05:32:52 pm »
I'm ordering over 100 chicken wings on Draft Day 2010. I'm going to enjoy the excitement of getting yet another #1 overall pick.

Offline thurdl01

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #282 on: September 02, 2009, 06:34:28 pm »
The problem is that the MLB draft is so dreadfully dull.  It's some combination of most (all) of the kids being no names to all but the most dedicated fans, and the commentators for the draft being MLBtv employees who won't say anything negative about anything.  They don't even tend to have any of the actual players on hand so they can be interviewed.  It was a struggle just to make it to the Storen draft pick before changing channels this year.

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #283 on: September 02, 2009, 06:35:47 pm »
I'm not gonna lie, I found the draft pretty entertaining...

Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #284 on: September 02, 2009, 06:38:57 pm »
I'm not gonna lie, I found the draft pretty entertaining...

As did I.

Offline NFA Brian

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #285 on: September 02, 2009, 07:18:12 pm »
The problem is that the MLB draft is so dreadfully dull.  It's some combination of most (all) of the kids being no names to all but the most dedicated fans, and the commentators for the draft being MLBtv employees who won't say anything negative about anything.  They don't even tend to have any of the actual players on hand so they can be interviewed.  It was a struggle just to make it to the Storen draft pick before changing channels this year.

As you and most are well-aware I find it fascinating but to your point MLB does a terrible job packaging the draft. You are spot-on about the coverage on TV. There really is a need to get the top players together. There is no reason they cannot organize it around the College World Series and have the players participating in the regionals, Super Regionals, or CW to get together on site. They need to winnow down the number of faces/voices. To be honest, they do not need to trot out every single former major leaguer they have on the roster. Pick two and go with them along with two experts (Baseball America, PG Crosschecker, etc). And they need to get rid of the pollyanna from the scouting bureau. Every pick isn't great and they need to have a critical voice there.

The excuse is always people see these kids once and then they disappear for four years until re-emerging. MLB Network needs to leverage the forum they have to introduce these kids over time. Broadcast college games, the Cape Cod League, the HS all-star tournaments and build interest over time. They have 24 hours to program and they need to maximize it much better than they have.

Offline NatsDad14

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #286 on: September 02, 2009, 07:23:22 pm »
I would not take Taillon #1 overall. I am not a fan of HS arms that early unless they are without question the best best player available and Taillon doesn't have it head & shoulders over Ranaudo (likely the top college arm).

I understand what you are asking ... more the Pirates line of drafting from 2009. Grab a guy who you can get signed quickly around slot at #1 and then spread money around later.

Honestly, they should draft the best player available at #1 overall and that is Harper and STILL spread money around later.

In my opinion, the Nationals wasted an opportunity this year by being as conservative as they were later in the draft. The conventional wisdom was they were "saving" dollars for Strasburg. That was a mistake. They should be using these years of rebuilding to grab as many guys who slide as they can.

I understand your point, but you know that the Nats won't spend on a top talent at #1 and for the rest of the draft. I'm not suggesting we go after the #20-25 level talent like the Pirates did, but a guy who is the #2-5 talent. If we got Harper and the rest of the draft was similar to this year's draft, would you take that over getting the #2-5 talent while having a very aggressive rest of the draft like the Orioles did this year or the Nats did in 2007?

Offline sportsfan882

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #287 on: September 02, 2009, 07:35:56 pm »
I understand your point, but you know that the Nats won't spend on a top talent at #1 and for the rest of the draft. I'm not suggesting we go after the #20-25 level talent like the Pirates did, but a guy who is the #2-5 talent. If we got Harper and the rest of the draft was similar to this year's draft, would you take that over getting the #2-5 talent while having a very aggressive rest of the draft like the Orioles did this year or the Nats did in 2007?
those overslot picks aren't exactly panning out thus far.

Harper is far from a lock #1 pick for the Nats next year. What if he bombs at Southern Nevada or doesn't bomb but doesn't impress either?

I really hope a college bat emerges. :pray:

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #288 on: September 02, 2009, 07:37:59 pm »
those overslot picks aren't exactly panning out thus far.

Harper is far from a lock #1 pick for the Nats next year. What if he bombs at Southern Nevada or doesn't bomb but doesn't impress either?

I really hope a college bat emerges. :pray:

Overslot guys have a lot higher rate of success than under slot guys. Just look at Rick Porcello for example. I betting that 25 teams are bashing their walls for not getting him.

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #289 on: September 02, 2009, 07:39:59 pm »
Overslot guys have a lot higher rate of success than under slot guys. Just look at Rick Porcello for example. I betting that 25 teams are bashing their walls for not getting him.
maybe. We did go overslot for Karns and King this year. Who else should we have gone overslot on?

I don't know what Miguel Pena's problem was. Fool. Cost himself years of development and money.

Offline thurdl01

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #290 on: September 02, 2009, 09:07:32 pm »
As you and most are well-aware I find it fascinating but to your point MLB does a terrible job packaging the draft. You are spot-on about the coverage on TV. There really is a need to get the top players together. There is no reason they cannot organize it around the College World Series and have the players participating in the regionals, Super Regionals, or CW to get together on site. They need to winnow down the number of faces/voices. To be honest, they do not need to trot out every single former major leaguer they have on the roster. Pick two and go with them along with two experts (Baseball America, PG Crosschecker, etc). And they need to get rid of the pollyanna from the scouting bureau. Every pick isn't great and they need to have a critical voice there.

The excuse is always people see these kids once and then they disappear for four years until re-emerging. MLB Network needs to leverage the forum they have to introduce these kids over time. Broadcast college games, the Cape Cod League, the HS all-star tournaments and build interest over time. They have 24 hours to program and they need to maximize it much better than they have.

Argreed on all points.  I'm hoping that they'll get better.  I do remember that this was only their second televised draft, and only the first one in prime time.  I think it was a little better the first year, but that's because ESPN was running the show, and they knew more what to do.  MLBtv taking it over, they needed to bring someone in with any kind of how-to-televise-a-draft experience.  I'll certainly watch again next year, and with my expectations so low, it can only be an improvement.

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #291 on: September 05, 2009, 12:27:46 am »
After Friday, September 4th's Games:

2008 Nats after 135 games: 50-85 (.370)  (Streak: 4 W; Last 10: 6-4)

The Race for the 2010 1st Overall Pick:
Washington    46-89  (.341)    ----    (Streak: 7 L; Last 10: 2-8)
Kansas City    51-83  (.381)   5.5 GB  (Streak: 2 L; Last 10: 4-6)
Pittsburgh      53-80  (.398)   8.0 GB  (Streak: 8 L; Last 10: 1-9)
Baltimore       54-81  (.400)   8.0 GB  (Streak: 4 L; Last 10: 3-7)


On Pace to finish: 55-107

Offline NFA Brian

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #292 on: September 05, 2009, 08:25:48 am »
Ten teams have been eliminated from the race for #1. Only five more and the Nats pick will be first round compensation protected

Offline xposbrad

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #293 on: September 05, 2009, 01:29:10 pm »
Pittsburg is trying to beat KC for the 2nd pick, look at that 8 game losing streak, 1-9 last 10 lol ..Meanwhile, I think we're almost in the clear for the #1 ..

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #294 on: September 05, 2009, 02:24:12 pm »
Ten teams have been eliminated from the race for #1. Only five more and the Nats pick will be first round compensation protected
I'm holding my breath. ;)

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #295 on: September 05, 2009, 02:25:38 pm »
we might as well lose everygame until we lock up first place. This season would be even worse if we sucked all year and dont get the first pick in the draft : (

Offline wisefan11

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #296 on: September 05, 2009, 03:16:44 pm »
That 5.5 game lead at this point makes us close to a mathematical lock, no?

Offline PatsNats28

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #297 on: September 05, 2009, 06:55:57 pm »
That 5.5 game lead at this point makes us close to a mathematical lock, no?

hell no. if there were like 8 games left, sure, but with a whole month of play left, certainly not.

Offline Battleship

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #298 on: September 05, 2009, 07:41:24 pm »
It's close to being as sure as you can be without the mathematical certainty.  If KC wins and DC loses tonight, the magic number is 20.  If the Nats went 12-14 the rest of the way, KC would have to go 5-22 to finish last.  I don't think either of those teams will be that good/bad.  I'm expecting Harper at this point and excited about it (Trying not to think about the losing). 

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Re: The Race for the #1 Pick (2009)
« Reply #299 on: September 06, 2009, 01:04:59 am »
After Saturday, September 5th's Games:

2008 Nats after 136 games: 51-85 (.375)  (Streak: 5 W; Last 10: 7-3)

The Race for the 2010 1st Overall Pick:
Washington    46-90  (.338)    ----    (Streak: 8 L; Last 10: 1-9)
Kansas City    51-84  (.378)   5.5 GB  (Streak: 3 L; Last 10: 3-7)
Pittsburgh      53-81  (.396)   8.0 GB  (Streak: 9 L; Last 10: 1-9)


On Pace to finish: 55-107