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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #350 on: June 06, 2009, 10:49:23 pm »
Why isn't Nunez the Marlins' closer, NatsAddict?

Lindstrom is a freaking joke. Worse than Hanrahan.

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #351 on: June 07, 2009, 12:14:39 am »
Lindstrom is a freaking joke. Worse than Hanrahan.

There is nothing worse than Hanrahan. I'd let my kid sister close first.

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #352 on: June 07, 2009, 04:52:14 pm »
Why isn't Nunez the Marlins' closer, NatsAddict?

El Fredo. 

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #353 on: June 08, 2009, 07:14:05 pm »
I opened up the Palm Beach Post this morning, and found this picture hilarious.  I cracked up at the look on Sandoval's face as Nolasco tags him out.


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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #354 on: June 08, 2009, 07:37:55 pm »
look @ the ump watching in fascination

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #355 on: June 09, 2009, 08:59:20 am »
For the first time since 2006, Uggla's AB/K reached 4.00.  It made it to exactly 4.00 with his final AB last night.  :shock:

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #356 on: June 10, 2009, 04:16:27 pm »
I helped break this story, so where's my friggin' Pulitzer?

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Gaby Sanchez at 3rd; Will Marlins trade Dan Uggla?
by Joe Capozzi

Check out the box scores over the last two days for the Class AAA New Orleans Zephyrs — Gaby Sanchez, batting .337, has started the last games at third base.

Sanchez was the Marlins’ first baseman in spring training when he lost the job in the final weeks of camp. Is he on his way to returning to the Marlins at a new spot?

The interesting part is the defensive play of 3B Emilio Bonifacio, who has made more errors (11) than any third baseman in baseball. Is Bonifacio on his way to the minors? Or how about this thought — maybe the Marlins plan to move him to his natural position– second base, the position he played before the Marlins started their experiment of converting him in spring training into a third baseman.

Or… second baseman Dan Uggla’s Marlins days are numbered. The San Francisco Giants have expressed a strong interest both in Uggla and first baseman Jorge Cantu.

This is all just me speculating, based on the two most recent box scores out of New Orleans…

Any other thoughts out there?

Tags: Dan Uggla, Emilio Bonifacio, Jorge Cantu

This entry was posted on Wednesday, June 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
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Capozzi is, by far, the best and most reliable sportswriter of any kind, and baseball in particular, that I've ever had for a hometown newspaper (and I am including the Washington Post from when I started reading its sports pages, probably starting in 1966 or 1967 until I moved down here in 1992).  He is admittedly speculating, but I have a feeling there is a gist of inside knowledge in that speculation. 




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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #357 on: June 10, 2009, 10:45:37 pm »
Chase Utley just hit his 2nd homerun of the game in the top of the 11th, Phillies lead Mets 5-4.

It's so weird watching baseball games that matter.   :roll:

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #358 on: June 11, 2009, 10:30:46 am »
Chase Utley just hit his 2nd homerun of the game in the top of the 11th, Phillies lead Mets 5-4.

It's so weird watching baseball games that matter.   :roll:

I just can't get into watching other teams play.  Just doesn't interest me.  I wish it did so that I'd have more meaningful games to watch, but unless it's the playoffs, I just don't care.

Then again maybe that's just a symptom of my team always being so far out that what others teams are doing doesn't matter :?

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #359 on: June 11, 2009, 10:37:37 am »
I just can't get into watching other teams play.  Just doesn't interest me.  I wish it did so that I'd have more meaningful games to watch, but unless it's the playoffs, I just don't care.

Then again maybe that's just a symptom of my team always being so far out that what others teams are doing doesn't matter :?
This. I still watch many games and follow the league closely because I am a fan and am in a few fantasy leagues but it isn't the same.

The only sports league where I do not lose interest/passion when my team sucks is the NFL.

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« Reply #360 on: June 11, 2009, 10:54:44 am »
The only sports league where I do not lose interest/passion when my team sucks is the NFL college football.
Fixed for personal preference.

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« Reply #361 on: June 11, 2009, 11:34:53 am »
I'll watch about any baseball game.  In order of preference:

Any NCAA or higher level game I can attend
Marlins
Nationals
Tigers (actually, only Cabrera's ABs)
Any game with a favorite pitcher
NL East
AL East
Whatever is left


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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #362 on: June 12, 2009, 11:27:24 pm »
omg. that drop by Castillo was the worst play I have ever seen

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #363 on: June 12, 2009, 11:48:09 pm »
In Philly, it was 3 -1 in extra innings.  In HBP.  Okajima and Masterson hit Bruntlett, and Daniel Bard got Ibanez in the side.  Youk took one from Madson off the arm guard.

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #364 on: June 13, 2009, 10:09:58 am »
UGGLA UPDATE:

Danny Boy has driven in 1 of the last 32 men on base when he's come to the plate.  Why in the h*ll El Fredo has this a$$wipe batting 5th, or sometime 6th, or even has him in the lineup at all is beyond me.  Uggla flat out has the worst approach at the plate of anyone that has ever worn a baseball uniform.  The guy is just friggin' stupid.

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #365 on: June 13, 2009, 12:06:06 pm »
Addict - It's funny.  Uggla was regarded as one of the great Rule 5 picks ever, had a terrific couple of years.  What do you see him doing different?  Was he just figured out?

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« Reply #366 on: June 13, 2009, 05:03:31 pm »
Addict - It's funny.  Uggla was regarded as one of the great Rule 5 picks ever, had a terrific couple of years.  What do you see him doing different?  Was he just figured out?

Since August 30, 2006, he has been in a slump.  Pitchers adjusted to him (well, those not coached by St. Claire), and he hasn't made any adjustments to counter it.  He only made the 2006 All-Start game to make a story.  If he hadn't been a Rule 5 pick that year, and picked up off waivers, he would have not been selected.  There was no way he should have made the ASG last year - and he proved it in dramatic fashion.

He is one of the easiest guys to K in the game, and either last or next to last in FPCT, ZR, and RF.  The worst thing that he has no approach at the plate.  He just make boneheaded play after boneheaded play.  He is difficult to watch.  He does usually have a single streak of 10 decent games a year, and that's it.  Last year it was in May, and some got all excited because being so early in the season, it distorted his OPS.  I made a side bet with another member here that much maligned Felipe Lopez would have a higher OPS the second half last year, and Lopez did - by 164 points.  I talk with a lot of scouts at NCAA games, and there isn't one that likes Uggla.  Chicks and those who have no idea of how to evaluate talent love the long ball and can be enamored by the power when he does connect on a HR.  But there isn't anyone I know in the business of evaluating talent that likes him at all.  If he doesn't HR, he either K's or makes poor contact.  In the NL, all players, the BaBIP of all players, including pitchers, and that of Uggla has widened again, and currently sits on a 74 point spread.  He's not unlucky, he just makes poor contact about 90% of the time he makes contact at all.

Also, I was incorrect before - he was 1 out of his last 33.  He doubled up one that I left out.  This afternoon he upped it to 1 out of the last 35.

Uggla is like Bonds in that he doesn't play for the team, doesn't care about W and L, just if he hits a HR. No matter what will swing for the fences when all you need is a ball in play.   As a result, if he were just average of all players, no exceptional power or anything, he'd already have 23 more RBI based upon the opportunities provided to him (which is why Fredi needs to quit wasting opportunities on this a$$hole).   That's probably about 4 games right there that he's already cost the Fish this year, plus at least one where his fielding single-handedly cost the game.  He alone causes a deficit of about 80 points in the team's WPCT.

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« Reply #367 on: June 13, 2009, 05:05:15 pm »
Since August 30, 2006, he has been in a slump.  Pitchers adjusted to him (well, those not coached by St. Claire), and he hasn't made any adjustments to counter it.  He only made the 2006 All-Start game to make a story.  If he hadn't been a Rule 5 pick that year, and picked up off waivers, he would have not been selected.  There was no way he should have made the ASG last year - and he proved it in dramatic fashion.

He is one of the easiest guys to K in the game, and either last or next to last in FPCT, ZR, and RF.  The worst thing that he has no approach at the plate.  He just make boneheaded play after boneheaded play.  He is difficult to watch.  He does usually have a single streak of 10 decent games a year, and that's it.  Last year it was in May, and some got all excited because being so early in the season, it distorted his OPS.  I made a side bet with another member here that much maligned Felipe Lopez would have a higher OPS the second half last year, and Lopez did - by 164 points.  I talk with a lot of scouts at NCAA games, and there isn't one that likes Uggla.  Chicks and those who have no idea of how to evaluate talent love the long ball and can be enamored by the power when he does connect on a HR.  But there isn't anyone I know in the business of evaluating talent that likes him at all.  If he doesn't HR, he either K's or makes poor contact.  In the NL, all players, the BaBIP of all players, including pitchers, and that of Uggla has widened again, and currently sits on a 74 point spread.  He's not unlucky, he just makes poor contact about 90% of the time he makes contact at all.

Also, I was incorrect before - he was 1 out of his last 33.  He doubled up one that I left out.  This afternoon he upped it to 1 out of the last 35.

Uggla is like Bonds in that he doesn't play for the team, doesn't care about W and L, just if he hits a HR. No matter what will swing for the fences when all you need is a ball in play.   As a result, if he were just average of all players, no exceptional power or anything, he'd already have 23 more RBI based upon the opportunities provided to him (which is why Fredi needs to quit wasting opportunities on this a$$hole).   That's probably about 4 games right there that he's already cost the Fish this year, plus at least one where his fielding single-handedly cost the game.  He alone causes a deficit of about 80 points in the team's WPCT.

Uggla sounds like a perfect match for the Cubs.  Here's hoping a trade is arranged very soon.

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #368 on: June 13, 2009, 06:58:30 pm »
NatsAddict - thanks for pulling it together.  I've seen reports he's on the way out and the like, and kind of wanted it all pulled together.  I knew he was a bit of a Dr. Strangeglove, and was streaky, but I had not seen it broken down like this before.

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #369 on: June 14, 2009, 01:09:56 am »
NatsAddict's Uggla-rants are EPIC. :rofl:

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« Reply #370 on: June 14, 2009, 08:58:15 am »
NatsAddict's Uggla-rants are EPIC. :rofl:

I know you love the guy, but it's foolish to do so.

The following is a summary of Uggla most recent plate appearances with runners on:


                                    Adv                                  Total
Date    Opp  Inn  1B  2B  3B  PA   Opps  Adv   Adv%  BI  LOB  Strand  DP  RLOB
Jun 02  MIL    4   1   1      BB      5    2   .400                2         2
               6   1       1  FF-3    4        .000        2                 2
               8   1          K       3        .000        1                 1
Jun 03  MIL    5   1   1   1  K       6        .000        3                 3
Jun 04  MIL    4   1   1      F-7     5    1   .200        2                 2
               6   1          K       3        .000        1                 1
Jun 05  SFG    4   1          1B      3    1   .333                1         1
               6   1          BB      3    1   .333                1         1
Jun 06  SFG    1       1   1  BB      3        .000                2         2
               3       1      2B      2    2  1.000    1                     0
               5           1  K       1        .000        1                 1
Jun 07  SFG    4   1          F-7     3        .000        1                 1
               9   1          F-9     3        .000        1                 1
Jun 08  SFG    3       1      BB      2        .000                1         1
               5   1   1      F-9     5        .000        2                 2
Jun 09  STL    2   1          F-9     3        .000        1                 1
Jun 10  STL    3   1   1      FC      5        .000        2                 2
               5   1   1      FC      5        .000        2                 2
Jun 11  STL    4   1          1B      3    1   .333                1         1
               5   1   1      GIDP    5        .000        1           1     2
Jun 12  TOR    2   1          F-7     3        .000        1                 1
               6   1          F-9     3        .000        1                 1
               8       1      BB      2        .000                1         1
Jun 13  TOR    1   1       1  K       4        .000        2                 2

Totals            19  11   5         84    8   .095    1  24       9    1   34
                                                RBA                   
                                                       
Total Plate Appearances                24                               
PA when Runners Advanced                6    .250                           
PA when Runners Advanced with H         3    .125                           
Number of Runners Advanded              7    .200                           

                          H  BB  FO  Total                           
Bases Advanced From 1b    2   2          4                       
Bases Advanced From 2b    2   1   1      4                       
Bases Advanced From 3b                   0                       
                          4   3   1                           


There have been 35 base runners.  He has only driven in 1.  Only 7 bases runners have advance a total  of 8 bases.  That's correct, only 1 base runner has advanced more than a single base.  Three baserunners have advanced a total of 4 bases due to 3 hits.  3 baserunners have advanced due to 2 BB.  One base runner advanced one base due to a fly out.  In 24 plate appearance, only in 6 has any runner advanced at all.

Adv Opps is the potential number of bases existing runners can advance.  For example, a runner on 1b could advance 3 bases, and a runner on 2b could advance 2 bases.  If runners are on 1b and 2b, the total Adv  Opp for that PA is 5.  Adv is the total number of bases actually advanced.  Uggla has advanced runners a total of 8 bases out of 84 opportunities, or .095, which is his RBA (Runners Bases Advanced) - that is far below hideous.  In fact, if is was double, it would still be below hideous.

None of the 9 runners on 3b have advanced.  Only 3 of the 11 runners on 2b have advanced.  One of those is the sole RBI on a double, one advanced to 3b on a fly out, and the third advanced on a BB.  Four out of 19 runners have advanced from 1b to 2b.  Two of those were due to singles, and 2 were due to BB.

Bottom line, this guy isn't even up to hideous at advancing runners.

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #371 on: June 14, 2009, 10:10:22 am »
NatsAddict & Uggla reminds me of sportsfan & Dunn - only with justification and solid data to back up his argument.  If sportsfan worked up something like that for Dunn, I might actually listen to him.  The only problem is that (A) he won't and (B) he can't.

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« Reply #372 on: June 14, 2009, 01:38:54 pm »
NatsAddict & Uggla reminds me of sportsfan & Dunn - only with justification and solid data to back up his argument.  If sportsfan worked up something like that for Dunn, I might actually listen to him.  The only problem is that (A) he won't and (B) he can't.
The fact that NatsAddict has the intelligence and patience to drum up such an impressive (indeed jaw-dropping) case against Uggla is matched by the fact that he's right. Oh, wait. I just became an Adam Dunn bandwagon fanboy.  :roll:

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Re: 2009 Division-Watching
« Reply #373 on: June 14, 2009, 01:56:34 pm »
I know you love the guy, but it's foolish to do so.
Uh, WHAT? :rofl: I don't "love" Uggla one bit.  I think there was one time I took a bit of a devil's advocate stance when you were ripping him, but that's it.

Please, I am not that stupid. :rofl: My favorite 2B in the NL are Hudson and Phillips.

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« Reply #374 on: June 14, 2009, 02:05:54 pm »
My favorite 2B in the NL are Hudson and Phillips.

I'd take Utley over those two. All three are solid, though.