Author Topic: Division-Watching (2009) (Read 56418 times)

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #375 on:** June 14, 2009, 02:19:56 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on June 14, 2009, 02:05:54 pm

I'd take Utley over those two. All three are solid, though.

he said favorite, not best

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #376 on:** June 14, 2009, 02:25:14 pm »

Heh, yeah. I can't really say I'm a "fan" of anyone on the Phillies, but I think Utley is the best 2B in the game.

NatsAddict · « **Reply #377 on:** June 14, 2009, 02:27:57 pm »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on June 14, 2009, 01:56:34 pm

Uh, WHAT? I don't "love" Uggla one bit. I think there was one time I took a bit of a devil's advocate stance when you were ripping him, but that's it.

Please, I am not that stupid. My favorite 2B in the NL are Hudson and Phillips.

My sincere apologies. Glad to affirm your sanity.

By the way, so far today, 3 more LOB and a 4th doubled up. RBA down to .085.

houston-nat · « **Reply #378 on:** June 14, 2009, 11:00:54 pm »

Hey NatsAddict, I see the Marlins rejected a Cody Ross for Jeff Francoeur trade. I guess y'all's front office has at least 1 functioning brain cell.

PatsNats28 · « **Reply #379 on:** June 15, 2009, 12:12:14 am »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on June 14, 2009, 02:25:14 pm

Heh, yeah. I can't really say I'm a "fan" of anyone on the Phillies, but I think Utley is the best 2B in the game.

As a former Sox fan, I have to go with Pedroia.

NatsAddict · « **Reply #380 on:** June 15, 2009, 07:54:30 am »

Quote from: houston-nat on June 14, 2009, 11:00:54 pm

Hey NatsAddict, I see the Marlins rejected a Cody Ross for Jeff Francoeur trade. I guess y'all's front office has at least 1 functioning brain cell.

Don't be on performance being the deciding factor:

Cody Ross salary: $2.225 million
Francoeur salary: $3.375 million

NatsAddict · « **Reply #381 on:** June 15, 2009, 09:28:44 am »

Uggla left another 4 runners on yesterday, and doubled up a fifth.

So, I decided to see how well he compares to Bonifacio over the same timer period. Bonifacio simply is kicking Uggla's a$$ all over the place:

Adv Total Date Opp Inn 1B 2B 3B PA Opps Adv Adv% BI LOB Strand DP RLOB Jun 02 MIL 2 1 1 FC 5 .000 2 2 7 1 BB 3 1 .333 1 1 Jun 03 MIL 5 1 1B 1 1 1.000 1 0 9 1 GO 2 .000 1 1 Jun 04 MIL 3 1 F-8 3 .000 1 1 Jun 05 SFG 3 1 1B 3 1 .333 1 1 Jun 06 SFG 1 1 1B 3 1 .333 1 1 3 1 K 3 .000 1 1 Jun 07 SFG 1 1 GO 3 1 .333 1 1 3 1 K 3 .000 1 1 Jun 09 STL 3 1 1 2B 3 3 1.000 2 0 5 1 1B 1 1 1.000 1 0 Jun 10 STL 1 1 GO 3 1 .333 1 1 3 1 FC 3 .000 1 1 6 1 1 1B 5 2 .400 2 2 8 1 K 3 .000 1 1 Jun 11 STL 3 1 F-8 3 .000 1 1 9 1 F-8 2 .000 1 1 Jun 14 TOR 3 1 1B 3 2 .667 1 1 4 1 1 1B 3 2 .667 1 1 1 6 1 GO 2 1 .500 1 1 7 1 1 1 K 6 .000 3 3 9 1 1 GO 5 2 .400 2 2 Totals 16 9 5 71 19 .268 5 18 7 0 25 RBA Total Plate Appearances 23 PA when Runners Advanced 13 .565 PA when Runners Advanced with H 8 .348 Number of Runners Advanced 17 .567 H BB PO Total Bases Advanced From 1b 4 1 3 8 Bases Advanced From 2b 3 2 5 Bases Advanced From 3b 4 4 11 1 5 17

Bonifacio is far superior to Uggla at moving runners along. During the same time, his RBA is more than 3 times that of Uggla. Bonifacio doesn't have the power of Uggla, so his RBA would be expected to be less, and accordingly the RBI. He has 5 times the RBI of Uggla over this stretch, with 25% few opportunities.

Bonifacio has driven in 5 out of 30 baserunners, or .167. During this time, Uggla has driven in 1 out of 40, or .025. But, that isn't where it ends. Even including Uggla's "hot streak," for the year he is only driving in guys at a .158 pace. The thing is, Uggla is supposed to be the bigger RBI guy, and supposed to move runners at a deeper rate (moving more runners 2 bases at a time, etc.)

Uggla's PA with Runners Advance/PA with Runner on is a miserable .222, not even half of Bonifacio's .565. Uggla's advancing of runners with a H is hideous at .111, while Bonifacio is sitting on .348. So far as the number of runners advanced, Uggla sits on a pitiful .175, not even a third of Bonifacio's .567.

Uggla depends heavily on BB to move runners. That only works when 1B is occupied. Walks are not as good as hits, as Bonifacio has confirmed. Hit advance runners more than one base at a time, and hits drive in runs - even if you have no real pop in your bat. That is why Bonifacio has driven in 4 of the 5 runners on 3B, and Uggla is ZERO for 9.

NatsAddict · « **Reply #382 on:** June 18, 2009, 10:21:07 am »

Uggly Update Number #67382:

Of the last 45 men on now, Uggla has only driven in 1. With RISP, he is 4 times more likely to K, and 3 times more likely to hit into a DP, than he is to drive in a run.

Of the last 17 men on, the only one to advance at all was Cantu, from 2b to 3b, when Uggla hit into a GIDP and doubled up Hermida at 2b. Good job, Danny! Wooo Hooo! Way to move them along!

This is even bad for him. Even I'm feeling pity for that idiot.

blue911 · « **Reply #383 on:** June 18, 2009, 10:27:19 am »

But he has a career OPS of over .800! So he has to be good. You have pissed off the stats gods and are hereby damned for eternity.

NatsAddict · « **Reply #384 on:** June 18, 2009, 01:07:10 pm »

Quote from: blue911 on June 18, 2009, 10:27:19 am

But he has a career OPS of over .800! So he has to be good. You have annoyed off the stats gods and are hereby darned for eternity.

When Bonifacio is advancing runners at more than 5 times your rate, you suck.

JMUalumni · « **Reply #385 on:** June 18, 2009, 01:08:40 pm »

I see that former JMU standout Dan Meyer just got his first career major league win for the Marlins recently. How has he been doing for the Marlins this year?

NatsAddict · « **Reply #386 on:** June 18, 2009, 02:36:13 pm »

Quote from: JMUalumni on June 18, 2009, 01:08:40 pm

I see that former JMU standout Dan Meyer just got his first career major league win for the Marlins recently. How has he been doing for the Marlins this year?

I didn't realize he was a JMU alum. But, he has been remarkable consistent, lots of Ks, few hits and BB. His WHIP is phenomenal, well below 1.00 since his about 4th outing. He's one of the best out the the Marlins pen in years.

PC · « **Reply #387 on:** June 18, 2009, 09:54:01 pm »

The Mets are about to lose to the Orioles. Mets lead 4-3 in the bottom of the 9th with bases loaded for the Orioles, no outs.

And Rodriguez is pitching for the Mets.

PC · « **Reply #388 on:** June 18, 2009, 09:55:36 pm »

Freddy walks in the tying run. Blown save for Mr. Celebration.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #389 on:** June 18, 2009, 09:56:11 pm »

Quote from: PC on June 18, 2009, 09:55:36 pm

Freddy walks in the tying run. Blown save for Mr. Celebration.

i love it. K-Rod is a joke

PC · « **Reply #390 on:** June 18, 2009, 09:59:47 pm »

Game over. Mets lose.

Nat of the Living Dead · « **Reply #391 on:** June 18, 2009, 10:36:56 pm »

Quote from: PC on June 18, 2009, 09:59:47 pm

Game over. Mets lose.

Suicide Watch is on red alert in the Big Apple tonight.

PC · « **Reply #392 on:** June 18, 2009, 11:21:43 pm »

Quote from: PC on June 18, 2009, 09:55:36 pm

Freddy walks in the tying run. Blown save for Mr. Celebration.

FY My Eye, it's Frankie not Freddy.

Whoever he is, HE LOST!

NatsAddict · « **Reply #393 on:** June 19, 2009, 09:39:14 am »

Even excluding the potential callup of Gaby Sanchez, it's time to get Gload into the Marlins lineup, move Cantu to 3B, and Bonifacio to 2b. The only problem with that is that Uggla's trade value with a POS contract moves from zero to negative. It will be hard to get rid of him without having him being a toxic asset bundled up with a high value player in a PBS (Player-Backed Security). Maybe we sell trade the PBS to Japan and further destroy foreign relations. Then there will be the eventual meltdown of non-performing player contracts, salaries will fall 50%, and Boras will jump out a window.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #394 on:** June 19, 2009, 10:59:52 am »

Last time the Marlins tried to sell a contract to Japan, I think it was Kevin Millar before he moved to the Red Sox. And it did almost cause an incident.

I've been kind of tracked Gload for a few years in the AL, when he graduated from a replacement guy you would grab in a deep fantasy league to cover for an injury to low cost end of the barrel cheap pick up to fill a roster slot. Always hit for average, sometimes a very good one. Kind of wished he'd done better with his chance in 2008.

Congrats on the Fish avoiding the fryer last night. nice work getting Lester to run up his pitches. Laughed abit at the Boni headed collision and dropped Papi pop. he should have been on second if he was not busy with the spectacular bat flip. Of course, had it been ManRam, he would have been walking to the dugout instead of first.

Wasn't always the intent with Uggla to move him to 3d? why is Boni there and not at 2d?

NatsAddict · « **Reply #395 on:** June 19, 2009, 12:19:01 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on June 19, 2009, 10:59:52 am

Wasn't always the intent with Uggla to move him to 3d? why is Boni there and not at 2d?

No, Uggla is and always was intended for 2B, and the Fish have been adamant that is the only position he'll play. If he does handle a ball, the biggest gasps are still on his throw to 1B. His arm is worse than his glove.

Bonifacio is a joke, but he's far better at moving runners than Uggla. Uggla has only even moved 8 of the last 47 baserunners, and for a grand total of 9 bases - including runners advancing from 2b to 3b on GIDP (the one time he move 2 runners was a walk). For June, he is hitting .052 with RISP, having 3 times as many GIDP and 4 times as many K as he does H.

houston-nat · « **Reply #396 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:58:46 pm »

Quote from: NatsAddict on June 19, 2009, 12:19:01 pm

No, Uggla is and always was intended for 2B, and the Fish have been adamant that is the only position he'll play. If he does handle a ball, the biggest gasps are still on his throw to 1B. His arm is worse than his glove.

Bonifacio is a joke, but he's far better at moving runners than Uggla. Uggla has only even moved 8 of the last 47 baserunners, and for a grand total of 9 bases - including runners advancing from 2b to 3b on GIDP (the one time he move 2 runners was a walk). For June, he is hitting .052 with RISP, having 3 times as many GIDP and 4 times as many K as he does H.

Has nobody there considered putting Uggla at first?

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #397 on:** June 19, 2009, 03:06:55 pm »

Quote from: NatsAddict on June 19, 2009, 12:19:01 pm

No, Uggla is and always was intended for 2B, and the Fish have been adamant that is the only position he'll play. If he does handle a ball, the biggest gasps are still on his throw to 1B. His arm is worse than his glove.

Bonifacio is a joke, but he's far better at moving runners than Uggla. Uggla has only even moved 8 of the last 47 baserunners, and for a grand total of 9 bases - including runners advancing from 2b to 3b on GIDP (the one time he move 2 runners was a walk). For June, he is hitting .052 with RISP, having 3 times as many GIDP and 4 times as many K as he does H.

I really question how they are handeling EB. He is a plus defender at second and horrendous at 3rd. Typically, you would expect a 3b to have a power bat and a 2b to be more of a defensive player. So they decide to start him and his nonexistant bat at 3rd where he is a defensive liability

tomterp · « **Reply #398 on:** June 19, 2009, 03:23:56 pm »

The Blue Jays' Marco Scuturo stole 2nd base yesterday against the Phillies.

It's how he did it that was interesting. With Blanton on the mound for the Phillies, Scuturo drew a walk. As he trotted to first, he noticed Blanton, Utley, and Rollins all in various stages of non-attentiveness, and simply rounded first and continued over to 2nd base, an easy steal.

The Chief · « **Reply #399 on:** June 19, 2009, 03:37:00 pm »

Quote from: tomterp on June 19, 2009, 03:23:56 pm

The Blue Jays' Marco Scuturo stole 2nd base yesterday against the Phillies.

It's how he did it that was interesting. With Blanton on the mound for the Phillies, Scuturo drew a walk. As he trotted to first, he noticed Blanton, Utley, and Rollins all in various stages of non-attentiveness, and simply rounded first and continued over to 2nd base, an easy steal.

That's awesome.