Author Topic: MLB-Watching (2009) (Read 39283 times)

blue911 · « **Reply #175:** May 13, 2009, 11:18:12 AM »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on May 13, 2009, 10:12:43 AM

If you're assessing how good a pitcher is, wins are absolutely one of the worst metrics.

Pretty self-evident.

What's self evident is that wins are what puts you in the play-offs. Winning games is how a team is measured.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #176:** May 13, 2009, 12:20:53 PM »

Quote from: blue911 on May 13, 2009, 11:18:12 AM

Winning games is how a team is measured.

There's the rub. It's how a TEAM is measured, but wins as a stat for individuals doesn't indicate their personal skill level, since they're actually contingent upon the performance of teammates.

blue911 · « **Reply #177:** May 13, 2009, 12:27:58 PM »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on May 13, 2009, 12:20:53 PM

There's the rub. It's how a TEAM is measured, but wins as a stat for individuals doesn't indicate their personal skill level, since they're actually contingent upon the performance of teammates.

The fact remains that winning games is all that counts. No statistic can show that Johan Santana throws a wicked change up.All statistics are seriously flawed. Counting on any single statistic is stupid.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #178:** May 13, 2009, 12:31:10 PM »

Well no crap.

But using wins to assess pitcher is flawed. Period. You can synthesize better metrics and pure observation if you want a good picture.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #179:** May 13, 2009, 02:33:16 PM »

My other favorite team, the Cleveland Indians shut out the White Sox today behind a commanding start from ace Cliff Lee.

7IP, 0R, 9/1 K/BB.

Lee is right at a 3.00 ERA for the year yet he's only 2-5. Talk about crappy run support.

houston-nat · « **Reply #180:** May 13, 2009, 02:55:27 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on May 13, 2009, 02:33:16 PM

My other favorite team, the Cleveland Indians shut out the White Sox today behind a commanding start from ace Cliff Lee.

7IP, 0R, 9/1 K/BB.

Lee is right at a 3.00 ERA for the year yet he's only 2-5. Talk about crappy run support.

Talk about crappy run support, Johan Santana has lost two games this year in which he didn't give up an earned run.

soxfan59 · « **Reply #181:** May 13, 2009, 07:38:53 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on May 13, 2009, 02:33:16 PM

My other favorite team, the Cleveland Indians shut out the White Sox today behind a commanding start from ace Cliff Lee.

7IP, 0R, 9/1 K/BB.

Lee is right at a 3.00 ERA for the year yet he's only 2-5. Talk about crappy run support.

Bite me.

The Sox are slowly turning into a really crappy team.

NatsAddict · « **Reply #182:** May 13, 2009, 10:49:02 PM »

Quote from: soxfan59 on May 13, 2009, 07:38:53 PM

Bite me.

The Sox are slowly turning into a really crappy team.

At least it's slowly. The Marlins are on the fast track.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #183:** May 14, 2009, 12:38:55 AM »

i love the mlb package. watching tigers-twins in top 13th.

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #184:** May 14, 2009, 12:42:49 AM »

balked in a run. Paul Schreiber who called that walk-off balk on Stanton a few years ago made the call.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #185:** May 14, 2009, 07:00:40 PM »

this red sox-angels game is unreal. c'mon halos.

blue911 · « **Reply #186:** May 15, 2009, 08:50:49 AM »

Brett Cecil has two quality starts since being called up. He goes again tonight against the Sox and John Danks.

hammondsnats · « **Reply #187:** May 15, 2009, 10:16:22 AM »

Quote from: blue911 on May 15, 2009, 08:50:49 AM

Brett Cecil has two quality starts since being called up. He goes again tonight against the Sox and John Danks.

good kid too.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #188:** May 15, 2009, 01:15:24 PM »

Quote from: blue911 on May 15, 2009, 08:50:49 AM

Brett Cecil has two quality starts since being called up. He goes again tonight against the Sox and John Danks.

have you seen his PECOTA projection? Nate Silver et al think he's a sub-4 ERA, 3:1 K:BB pitcher already. I stole him in my AL fantasy free agent pool for $2, and it is a keeper league. Phil Hughes went for $30 that same week.

tomterp · « **Reply #189:** May 15, 2009, 01:17:14 PM »

Quote from: Lintyfresh85 on May 13, 2009, 02:33:16 PM

My other favorite team, the Cleveland Indians shut out the White Sox today behind a commanding start from ace Cliff Lee.

Go ahead, pour salt on the (Sizemore, Phillips, Lee) wound.

blue911 · « **Reply #190:** May 15, 2009, 01:32:04 PM »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on May 15, 2009, 01:15:24 PM

have you seen his PECOTA projection?

I saw Bill Pecota and I can tell you,he's no Bill Pecota.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #191:** May 17, 2009, 01:54:43 PM »

Rookie David Huff is on the hill for the Indians making his major league debut.

Only problem is the Indians don't have him on the line up. Umps just called the Tribe off the field and are calling MLB to see what to do.

What a story this guy will have for his first start... if the Umps let him make it.

Lintyfresh85 · « **Reply #192:** May 17, 2009, 01:58:09 PM »

Actually....

It appears the Rays have two players listed as 3B.

houston-nat · « **Reply #193:** May 21, 2009, 10:31:10 AM »

Jake Peavy traded to the White Sox for four prospects (who have yet to be publicized).

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #194:** May 21, 2009, 10:39:19 AM »

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9:19am: Jon Heyman says the White Sox and Padres have agreed to a Peavy trade, and await Peavy's approval. Ken Williams, always operating under the radar. Now we get to see just how much Peavy hates the AL.

I would love for him to say no

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #195:** May 21, 2009, 11:49:20 AM »

why? The White Sox are terrible. What do they need him for?

Good for the Pads though.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #196:** May 21, 2009, 01:18:57 PM »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on May 21, 2009, 11:49:20 AM

why? The White Sox are terrible. What do they need him for?

Good for the Pads though.

or not

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: ESPN's Jerry Crasnick talked to Axelrod, who gave the impression that Peavy is leaning against accepting the trade:

"If I had to make a bet on it, I would guess that Jake would say he's not ready to take that step today. But he wouldn't necessarily preclude it at any time in the future."

Peavy maintains his strong preference for the NL.

If you're going to be on a bad team, might as well get to live in San Diego

houston-nat · « **Reply #197:** May 21, 2009, 02:26:03 PM »

Jim Bowden has a colorful Twitter on the subject: "Peavy for Poreda and Richard? The other 2 prospects better be top prospects or the Padres pre-ejaculated in this deal......"

I agree with HalfSmokes: if I'm going to play for a loser, it's the Padres.

KnorrForYourMoney · « **Reply #198:** May 21, 2009, 02:31:37 PM »

LOL @ Bowden

Holy crap, why did we have that guy as GM for so long?

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #199:** May 21, 2009, 06:04:27 PM »

Quote from: KnorrForYourMoney on May 21, 2009, 02:31:37 PM

LOL @ Bowden

Holy crap, why did we have that guy as GM for so long?

he's better than Rizzo as a GM