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Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2075 on: January 15, 2009, 10:22:37 pm »

"In this country, first you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the woman."
Personally, I like this one better:
Coop: Dude, I'm telling you, it's jobs. We gotta get jobs. Then we get the khakis. Then we get the chicks.

As for Jones, yeah he's going to re-sign with the Braves.  He was out a game the other night in Atlanta.  He has expressed interest in playing there as well.  I highly doubt we get/want Griff.

Offline spidernat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2076 on: January 15, 2009, 10:27:00 pm »
I wouldn't be surprised to see him sign with the Braves. I think we need to take a pass on him. I also saw us mentioned on MLB Rumors as being possibly interested in Griffey Jr. We need to pass on him also.

They might be cheap though.  :?

Offline BerkeleyNat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2077 on: January 15, 2009, 10:44:40 pm »
They might be cheap though.  :?

I could stomach signing Jones to a minor league contract, because there is no real risk involved. Griffey should retire though. He makes Nick Johnson look like Mr. Invincible.

Offline sportsfan882

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2078 on: January 15, 2009, 11:41:30 pm »
Jesus Flores went 2/4 with a HR today as Licey defeated the Aguilas 7-1. Flores caught a great game behind the plate as Ubaldo Jimenez pitched 6 innings and only gave up 1 hit.   8)

Anderson Hernandez went 2/4 with 2 Triples, 2 Runs, and an RBI.

Belliard went 0/4 with a K and a throwing error.

Offline ronnynat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2079 on: January 16, 2009, 12:03:57 am »
Flores caught a great game behind the plate as Ubaldo Jimenez pitched 6 innings and only gave up 1 hit.   8)

Jimenez is a solid pitcher. He makes his catchers look good.

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2080 on: January 16, 2009, 12:22:57 am »
I could stomach signing Jones to a minor league contract, because there is no real risk involved. Griffey should retire though. He makes Nick Johnson look like Mr. Invincible.
with 611 career hr's.  Griff can still hit.  If he can find a team that will let him DH, more power to him.  He's got a couple years of swings left in him.  Wouldn't be shocked if he tries to make a run at 700.  Especially if he can find another year or two like 2007.

Offline DCFan

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2081 on: January 16, 2009, 08:21:30 am »
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/16/nationals-promises-still-going-unfulfilled/

Zuckerman is getting a little annoyed at the Nats this offseason, "a lot of talk and little to show for it". Can't say I blame him.  Did I mention that today is the deadline for getting your season ticket payments in and I'm dropping mine?  :hang:

Offline The Chief

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2082 on: January 16, 2009, 08:40:37 am »
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/16/nationals-promises-still-going-unfulfilled/

I would say that's a very reasonable non-sensational article, and pretty much sums up how I feel at this point.

Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2083 on: January 16, 2009, 09:16:09 am »
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/16/nationals-promises-still-going-unfulfilled/

Zuckerman is getting a little annoyed at the Nats this offseason, "a lot of talk and little to show for it". Can't say I blame him.  Did I mention that today is the deadline for getting your season ticket payments in and I'm dropping mine?  :hang:

We're too used to Snyder. For those of you calling this offseason a failure what should the lerner's have done differenty - what free agents should they have signed?

Offline R-Zim#11

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2084 on: January 16, 2009, 09:51:28 am »
I would say that's a very reasonable non-sensational article, and pretty much sums up how I feel at this point.

I won't deny that the Nationals have trumpeted improvements and have made only a few moves. However, my main problem with this is these writers (and I like Zuckerman, and the Times in general, they are much less agenda driven then the Post), is that they say "The Nats need to spend money! The Nats need to spend money!"

But they don't offer any kind of solution. I know Dunn has been a popular solution here -- however he is looking for a 4-year deal. Is he really worth that? Who has been worth a large contract? Texeira, definitely. And they made a run at him (and I love the conspiracy theorists that say it was all for show). I look at a team like the Giants -- who throw money time and time again at players like Zito and Aaron Rowand and they still lost 90 games, and neither is living up to their money! Soriano? Sure he might have been worth the contract at the time, but he's 33 now, hit 29 HRs, 74 RBI, is he worth $14 million?

So who exactly has been worth an exorbitant contract?

Yes, the Nats have a long way to go towards respectability. However, at this point Free Agents would be a hindrance rather then a solution. Throwing money around would look good for the fans -- but I think smart decisions about who to sign and who not to -- while unpopular -- will provide a better solution long-term.

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2085 on: January 16, 2009, 10:01:39 am »
I agree.  Signing an expensive FA for the sake for signing an expensive FA isn't probably the best strategy.

Offline Minty Fresh

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2086 on: January 16, 2009, 10:09:17 am »
I agree.  Signing an expensive FA for the sake for signing an expensive FA isn't probably the best strategy.

Actually, signing big money free agents much more often than not proves to be the wrong move.  It's important to have a strategy going in and sign only those guys you REALLY FEEL are going to be worth that money you're paying.  I believed Tex to be that player this year.  I don't think Sabathia, Burnett, Lowe, etc. are going to be worth their contracts.  I do believe that the Burrell signing and the Giambi signing were sound choices.  Those are the types of deals we need tomake if we are going to sign any of the remaining free agents.

Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2087 on: January 16, 2009, 10:56:13 am »
Watch out dcfan you may get tarred and feathered for showing your displeasure with the offseason.  I like the Olsen & Willingham and the Cabrera deals and how we've cut some dead weight that shouldn't have been here in the first place, but our priority this offseason was to land a slugger, and we haven't w/ spring training 29 days away.  I couldn't agree with you/Zuck/Boz any more, this offseason could be better.

It's like we've attended all the rush parties but not pledging anywhere.

Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2088 on: January 16, 2009, 10:58:55 am »
I agree.  Signing an expensive FA for the sake for signing an expensive FA isn't probably the best strategy.

I too agree that, but it's not like Dunn is going to get that huge 5/75 deal.  When the price comes down we need to give him an offer.  Manny, on the other hand, will be more expensive.

Offline natsfan4evr

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2089 on: January 16, 2009, 11:04:24 am »
I too agree that, but it's not like Dunn is going to get that huge 5/75 deal.  When the price comes down we need to give him an offer.  Manny, on the other hand, will be more expensive.
We are going to offer Dunn a fair offer, if we haven't done so already.
There is little to no Dunn talk, and even less Hudson talk.

I have a feeling everyone is in limbo waiting for Manny to sign. I wonder when he will just sign already. Everyone knows he is going back to LA.

Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2090 on: January 16, 2009, 11:05:14 am »
Yes, the Nats have a long way to go towards respectability. However, at this point Free Agents would be a hindrance rather then a solution. Throwing money around would look good for the fans -- but I think smart decisions about who to sign and who not to -- while unpopular -- will provide a better solution long-term.

I keep bringing up this question, then who is going to play first base?

If we go with Johnson, a few things happen.
...Of course we know he ain't staying healthy so he'll go on to the DL.
a) Willingham moves over to first, he has only logged what 2 innings as a major leaguer at first base.  Although, Casto/Belliard were never first basemen, so it wouldn't shock me that we would decide to play them there.  Oh and then that means we need someone to play left.  Oh great, let's give Kearns or WMP another shot as a starter.  That should be fun.

b) We play Casto/Belliard there, seeing how Boone is gone.  Can't wait to see the gameday threads about that.

c) We call up Bill Rhinehart, the same one who was on a tear earlier in the year, then got to AA where his numbers cooled down tremendously.  He is a fine prospect, but it's evident he's probably not ready yet.

d) Da Meat Hook serves as our first baseman.

e) We get lucky as hell, we all win the lottery, marry the prom queen, find gold in our backyards ... Nick Johnson stays healthy and puts up for the most part un-NJ-like numbers like a .285 AVG, 30 HR, 110 RBI, .395 OBP, .480 SLG clip.

Don't call me a pessimist, on this subject I'm a realist.  Those are our current options.

Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2091 on: January 16, 2009, 11:06:56 am »
It's like we've attended all the rush parties but not pledging anywhere.

That's almost a perfect analogy for you guys. You like to "buy" your friends which really wouldn't make them your friends at all. :lol:

Offline R-Zim#11

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2092 on: January 16, 2009, 11:08:56 am »
Watch out dcfan you may get tarred and feathered for showing your displeasure with the offseason.  I like the Olsen & Willingham and the Cabrera deals and how we've cut some dead weight that shouldn't have been here in the first place, but our priority this offseason was to land a slugger, and we haven't w/ spring training 29 days away.  I couldn't agree with you/Zuck/Boz any more, this offseason could be better.

It's like we've attended all the rush parties but not pledging anywhere.

It could have been worse too. We could have taken the blO's path to um, "competition" and thrown money at every overrated FA out there.

I too agree that, but it's not like Dunn is going to get that huge 5/75 deal.  When the price comes down we need to give him an offer.  Manny, on the other hand, will be more expensive.

Dunn makes more sense then Manny. I can't believe there were rumors that we were interested in Manny. And for all the bashing the Nats have beent taking here and in the local media, it seems like they are in-line with just about every other team not named the Yankees.

Offline natsfan4evr

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2093 on: January 16, 2009, 11:09:08 am »
I keep bringing up this question, then who is going to play first base?

If we go with Johnson, a few things happen.
...Of course we know he ain't staying healthy so he'll go on to the DL.
a) Willingham moves over to first, he has only logged what 2 innings as a major leaguer at first base.  Although, Casto/Belliard were never first basemen, so it wouldn't shock me that we would decide to play them there.  Oh and then that means we need someone to play left.  Oh great, let's give Kearns or WMP another shot as a starter.  That should be fun.

b) We play Casto/Belliard there, seeing how Boone is gone.  Can't wait to see the gameday threads about that.

c) We call up Bill Rhinehart, the same one who was on a tear earlier in the year, then got to AA where his numbers cooled down tremendously.  He is a fine prospect, but it's evident he's probably not ready yet.

d) Da Meat Hook serves as our first baseman.

e) We get lucky as hell, we all win the lottery, marry the prom queen, find gold in our backyards ... Nick Johnson stays healthy and puts up for the most part un-NJ-like numbers like a .285 AVG, 30 HR, 110 RBI, .395 OBP, .480 SLG clip.

Don't call me a pessimist, on this subject I'm a realist.  Those are our current options.
Any chance JMax or Hood could get called up if that were to happen?

Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2094 on: January 16, 2009, 11:11:14 am »
I keep bringing up this question, then who is going to play first base?

Don't call me a pessimist, on this subject I'm a realist.  Those are our current options.

I call you neither. I call you a bit "narrow-minded" on the subject because all you can think about was either Teix and now Adam Dunn. What you don't realize Dunn might really not be an option. He really might not want to come here. You haven't considered that possible "reality" as of yet.

The Nats have been looking for further options in Swisher in NY and Barton in Oakland. Those sort of options aren't perfect by any means, but as you pointed out, they might be the only ones open to us and better than what we currently have.

Offline R-Zim#11

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2095 on: January 16, 2009, 11:13:10 am »
Any chance JMax or Hood could get called up if that were to happen?

I think Leonard Davis would get the shot over any of the others. Hood is not going to get called up this year. He won't be 19 until April.

Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2096 on: January 16, 2009, 11:17:55 am »
I think Leonard Davis would get the shot over any of the others. Hood is not going to get called up this year. He won't be 19 until April.

If Maxwell proves he can stay healthy I think he'd get a call up. Davis has his destiny in his own hands. Yeah, I don't think we'll be seeing Hood anytime soon.

Offline hammondsnats

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2097 on: January 16, 2009, 11:20:56 am »
Any chance JMax or Hood could get called up if that were to happen?

to play 1B?  No.  J-Max is close, but he's in the same boat as NJ, can't stay healthy.  Hasn't since Maryland.  I think Leonard Davis makes the team out of spring training or shortly after.  As for Hood, he's going to be a good one, but he's years away.

And NOTLD, I wasn't in a frat, but it was a good analogy.  We've had our name involved in a lot of discussions, but nothing came out of it.  Are Swisher/Barton that much better options than what we have?  Maybe.  Better than Dunn?  No. 

The only reason I bring up Dunn is because he is the only one left.  We aren't trading for Gonzalez/Fielder like some of the fantasy posts we've had. 

Offline BerkeleyNat

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2098 on: January 16, 2009, 11:24:29 am »
I too agree that, but it's not like Dunn is going to get that huge 5/75 deal.  When the price comes down we need to give him an offer.  Manny, on the other hand, will be more expensive.

I think we will make a run at Dunn when he does decide to drop his asking price. Everyone is playing the waiting game right now. Like most of you, it drives me up the wall waiting, but it is what it is. I would like to see us make a run at Juan Cruz, even though I know it won't happen. I wonder what kind of contract he is wanting?

Offline natsfan4evr

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Re: Plan "B"
« Reply #2099 on: January 16, 2009, 11:27:24 am »
to play 1B?  No.  J-Max is close, but he's in the same boat as NJ, can't stay healthy.  Hasn't since Maryland.  I think Leonard Davis makes the team out of spring training or shortly after.  As for Hood, he's going to be a good one, but he's years away.

And NOTLD, I wasn't in a frat, but it was a good analogy.  We've had our name involved in a lot of discussions, but nothing came out of it.  Are Swisher/Barton that much better options than what we have?  Maybe.  Better than Dunn?  No. 

The only reason I bring up Dunn is because he is the only one left.  We aren't trading for Gonzalez/Fielder like some of the fantasy posts we've had. 
I was thinking Hood in Center or Left and Willingham to 1st.
We do have the potential to find another OF instead of needing a 1B, because Willingham could always move over.