Plan "B"

[PatsNats28]

winner winner.

chicken dinner.

[UMDNats]

That makes no sense without knowing who's being offered in return.

Lastings alone probably wouldn't net us anything that we desperately need. If he's packaged, I'd have to be for a stud #1 or a stud 1B

[KnorrForYourMoney]

see what I did there?

Right, because I've said, "I'll stop watching this team if they don't sign Adam Dunn."

[natsfan4evr]

ESPN wasn't for us getting Tex, but they are all over us getting Manny?
Steve Phillips and Buster Olney both say that he will come here.

Do they know something we don't? I would love Manny in DC, but he doesn't fit in with our plans.
I think Dunn and Hudson are the closest we can fine.

[DCFan]

Lastings alone probably wouldn't net us anything that we desperately need. If he's packaged, I'd have to be for a stud #1 or a stud 1B

You're digging a bigger hole. The Mets traded him and got 2 starters in return. Now maybe after a season with us his star has diminished somewhat but without knowing what exactly we'd get in return this is fruitless.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

ESPN wasn't for us getting Tex, but they are all over us getting Manny?
Steve Phillips and Buster Olney both say that he will come here.

Do they know something we don't? I would love Manny in DC, but he doesn't fit in with our plans.
I think Dunn and Hudson are the closest we can fine.

ESPN tends to disapprove of anything the Nats do to get better (*see Baloney's article on how the Nats should never have been at Teix's table) and approve of anything that would keep us in the crapter (*see their support of Manny coming to DC).

I don't fully see Dunn and Hudson being an answer to really anything, at least not long term.

[natsfan4evr]

ESPN tends to disapprove of anything the Nats do to get better (*see Baloney's article on how the Nats should never have been at Teix's table) and approve of anything that would keep us in the crapter (*see their support of Manny coming to DC).

I don't fully see Dunn and Hudson being an answer to really anything, at least not long term.

Still, Manny would fill the seats.
Outfield of Manny, Milledge, and Dukes would be awesome

You move Willingham to 1st.

Is Dunn really any better than Manny in regards to our long term goal?
We aren't going to be competing, but Manny would be exciting to watch. There is no denying that he can hit HRs anywhere he plays.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

Still, Manny would fill the seats.
Outfield of Manny, Milledge, and Dukes would be awesome

You move Willingham to 1st.

Is Dunn really any better than Manny in regards to our long term goal?
We aren't going to be competing, but Manny would be exciting to watch. There is no denying that he can hit HRs anywhere he plays.

I'm not interested in flash and glam, especially that of a drama queen and clubhouse nut like Manny. I am interested in putting out a competitive product on the field for the long term. If the Nats are serious about improving, they wouldn't even consider it unless they truly see him here long term and actually producing.

Plus, it's Manny and Manny's ego. He has been on competitive teams most of his career. He isn't going to come to DC, not after Teix shunned us.

LackLUSTER Baloney and his posse are just talking out their asses again.

[natsfan4evr]

I'm not interested in flash and glam, especially that of a drama queen and clubhouse nut like Manny. I am interested in putting out a competitive product on the field for the long term. If the Nats are serious about improving, they wouldn't even consider it unless they truly see him here long term and actually producing.

Plus, it's Manny and Manny's ego. He has been on competitive teams most of his career. He isn't going to come to DC, not after Teix shunned us.

LackLUSTER Baloney and his posse are just talking out their asses again.

The only team besides the Dodgers that are interested is the Yankees.
Obviously, they will probably get him.
I think 2 years/50 million gets him here though.
For that price you could get Dunn and Hudson most likely. Is it worth getting 2 players for the price of one? I think Dunn is a 3 or 4 year stopgap at the most (who really knows, he isn't even 30 yet). Hudson could be a longer term solution at 2nd.

[HalfSmokes]

The only team besides the Dodgers that are interested is the Yankees.
Obviously, they will probably get him.
I think 2 years/50 million gets him here though.
For that price you could get Dunn and Hudson most likely. Is it worth getting 2 players for the price of one? I think Dunn is a 3 or 4 year stopgap at the most (who really knows, he isn't even 30 yet). Hudson could be a longer term solution at 2nd.

If the Yankees get him, that will be the straw that broke the Camel's back. Outside of K-Rod who they didn't want or need, that would net them the best two pitchers and hitters this off season, all with contracts that defy logic. Maybe the smaller markets will finally get together and get a real luxury tax.

[Minty Fresh]

I would wholeheartedly approve of Manny Ramirez over Adam Dunn.  Dunn is a bad contract waiting to happen.  At least with manny we'd have him for three years - TOPS and he would make this line-up much, much better.  Our outfield defense would suffer, but Manny could drive in tons of runs if our guys get on for him. 

I am now, as I have been up to now, completely opposed to signing Adam Dunn.  He makes NO SENSE for long term plans.  If we look short term, Manny makes much more sense than Dunn. 

No Dunn, no Hudson.  Manny and D-Lowe.  Call it an off-season.

[NoShoesNoShirtNoDice]

freak, let's trade one or two of them and get some Major League players. I'm tired of potential. Ask Pirates fans about it.

Don't compare the Nats with the Pirates. I really believe the Nats FO is sincere about building a winner. The Pirates FO is content with the status quo.

Anyone who even thinks about trading R.Zim, Mills, Dukes, Flores or Lannan is crazy. They are the building blocks.

Trade any of them, then the Nats are the Pirates.

[ronnynat]

Why would Manny want to come here? Is he done with winning championships and just wants to play baseball for fun now?

[BerkeleyNat]

I'm not interested in flash and glam, especially that of a drama queen and clubhouse nut like Manny. I am interested in putting out a competitive product on the field for the long term. If the Nats are serious about improving, they wouldn't even consider it unless they truly see him here long term and actually producing.

Plus, it's Manny and Manny's ego. He has been on competitive teams most of his career. He isn't going to come to DC, not after Teix shunned us.

LackLUSTER Baloney and his posse are just talking out their asses again.

QFT.......We don't need the trials and tribulations that come with Manny Ramirez.

[BerkeleyNat]

Why would Manny want to come here? Is he done with winning championships and just wants to play baseball for fun now?

Yeah, Manny is just such a great guy. He's only in it now for the fans and the love of the game.

[MrMadison]

problems and all, we could probably get Manny much cheaper now.

it seems the only team willing to offer him a contract is the Dodgers.

[hammondsnats]

I'm not interested in flash and glam, especially that of a drama queen and clubhouse nut like Manny. I am interested in putting out a competitive product on the field for the long term. If the Nats are serious about improving, they wouldn't even consider it unless they truly see him here long term and actually producing.

Plus, it's Manny and Manny's ego. He has been on competitive teams most of his career. He isn't going to come to DC, not after Teix shunned us.

LackLUSTER Baloney and his posse are just talking out their asses again.

I'd take Manny.  I don't know who would get shafted, but at this point I would let him be our everday LF.  (maybe move Willingham to 1B???)

Look ticket sales are a joke right now and there is no way one in their right mind would think we're gonna have good crowds at the start of next season.  There is what, one or two players the average baseball fan would come out and see on our team. 

Manny, like Teix, will go where the money is.  He's a Boras client and that's what they do. 

[hammondsnats]

it's awfuly quiet now and can't see that changing anytime soon.  let's hurry up and make an offer to dunn/ramirez so we can get a tiny bit of optimism for next season.

[spidernat]

Don't count on it dude. You're only going to fret yourself over nothing. Just be patient and let the chips (or cheaps) fall where they may. They've already ruined your Christmas. I'd hate for the lack of action to ruin your New Year's, Valentine's Day and St Patrick's Day.

[hammondsnats]

Don't count on it dude. You're only going to fret yourself over nothing. Just be patient and let the chips (or cheaps) fall where they may. They've already ruined your Christmas. I'd hate for the lack of action to ruin your New Year's, Valentine's Day and St Patrick's Day.

trust me i know this and it sucks that's why i was posting.

[UMDNats]

You're digging a bigger hole. The Mets traded him and got 2 starters in return. Now maybe after a season with us his star has diminished somewhat but without knowing what exactly we'd get in return this is fruitless.

Yes, 2 starters. Two flawed starters. Church got hurt (like usual) and Schneider was absolutely nothing special.

All I'm saying is you don't shop Milledge. You listen to offers, but you don't actively search for a trade involving him.

[DPMOmaha]

Here's a couple thoughts I've had.  If we're going to move an OF to 1B, go after Bobby Abreu.  He's got similar numbers to Dunn and in about double the games in his career he has almost exactly the same number of errors.  Don't know if he'd be willing to make that move or not.  I don't like Dunn as any sort of an option, short, mid or long term.

If the FO just wants to fill some seats this year, throw some cash at Manny for two years who said before he doesn't care about winning titles anymore.  He just wants money.  He would sell tickets and move Willingham to 1b.  He's the best hitter in baseball and probably will be for the next year, maybe two.  He's a bit of a liability in the field but not as big of one as everyone makes him out to be.  He'd be pure entertainment for 150 games a year.  Then we could let him go and get his massive ego out of the clubhouse.

[NoShoesNoShirtNoDice]

Yes, 2 starters. Two flawed starters. Church got hurt (like usual) and Schneider was absolutely nothing special.

All I'm saying is you don't shop Milledge. You listen to offers, but you don't actively search for a trade involving him.

I wish the Nats could make more trades like Milledge for Schneider and Church.

Schneider is on the decline and wasn't needed because of Flores (once the Nats FO realized Flores was ready and LoDuca and Fat Johnny sucked). Church is maxed out and a fourth OF at best and heading to 5th OF status.

Milledge is only 24 and looks like he's on the verge of being a special player. I'd rather have a guy with a tremendous upside than two with tremendous downsides.

[PatsNats28]

Anyone who even thinks about trading R.Zim, Mills, Dukes, Flores or Lannan is crazy. They are the building blocks.

Trade any of them, then the Nats are the Pirates.

It depends... I'd trade Milledge + Zimmermann for Adrian Gonzalez...

[MrMadison]

Maybe..just maybe...we'd be better off in the long run by giving 1B to Bill Rhinehart, and trading from our outfield depth for pitching.....

maybe throwing some money at Manny for a few years, 2 preferably, 3 at the most, just to put butts in the seats.

and bringing Davis up to push Anderson Hernandez at 2B, and Zimmermann for the rotation.

I dunno....

we sign manny, and we've got Milledge, Kearns, Willingham to trade.  I dunno about Kearns, but Willingham or Milledge could land us a decent pitcher.