Tex and the Nats...

[natsfan4evr]

If you were the Nats think tank what kinda out-clause would you give him?  4 years?  5 years? 

Hell what offer would you give him overall?

9 years/200 million
Opt out after 4 years if Nats have not made substantial progress. If we make the playoffs, opt out goes away

[BerkeleyNat]

If you were the Nats think tank what kinda out-clause would you give him?  4 years?  5 years? 

Hell what offer would you give him overall?

Screw it...I say go 10/200. Course it's easy for me to say that when I'm playing with someone else's money. Look..he adds instant credibility to this franchise and shows that we are serious about contending. He will draw the fans and become one of Washington's biggest stars. It's a big win for us any way that you look at it.

[DPMOmaha]

Ok lets start NJ and then be screwed after 25 games. Brilliant. Casto and Dmitri can back him up

Besides, NJ only hits like 20 HR's and they are always garbage 1 run homers when the game is already lost.

Isn't that what they say about Tex except it's 40 of 'em and not one runners and the game is still in question?

[tomterp]

The good old saying is put the ball in play, you never know what will happen. Fielding error, throwing error, a bobble. I'm sorry but there's no one in professional baseball who will tell you it's better to K than put the ball in play regardless of the chance of a DP. People who argue that a K is better than a ball in play are the people who've never played ball before.

And On-base % captures all of the ways to get on base.  Dunn's OBP is outstanding. 

[hammondsnats]

oh my god if we rely on nick johnson as our healthy everyday first baseman another year i'm giving up on this team.  we just have to bite the bullet and made awful deals with johnson and kearns.

my dad, just like myself and cmdterps, can't stand kearns.  but fwiw, he wouldn't mind seeing nj again at first if we don't land teix.  i told him i was adopted.

[cmdterps44]

9 years/200 million
Opt out after 4 years if Nats have not made substantial progress. If we make the playoffs, opt out goes away

Sounds reasonable

[tomterp]

WBZTV - Boston


Red Sox officials are meeting with free agent first baseman Mark Teixeira Thursday, WBZ's Dan Roche learned.

However, the two sides aren't close to getting a deal done. Boston hopes to lure the 28-year-old switch-hitter with an offer and the numbers out there Thursday were somewhere in the neighborhood of 8-years and 180-million dollars.

However, nothing is expected to be "conclusive" following their meeting and that the two sides are apart on the money terms.


LOL

This is torture. 

[BerkeleyNat]

To be fair, AZ didn't raise the point of comparing Dunn to Dukes, someone threw a comment at him and he responded.

It also helps that I agree that Adam Dunn is not the best option we have at 1B.  I'd seriously rather give NJ a chance to stay healthy over putting Dunn in a position he cannot play just to give us a 40 HR guy.

If Adam Dunn plays 1B for us this year, we will lead the majors in infield errors.

There is no way that we can count on NJ staying healthy. His bones are made of glass. I can't take another season of Casto, Dimitri, or Belliard playing first. I would love for us to trade for Gonzalez, but that's probably not going to happen. Dunn is more than likely our best option.

[tomterp]

If you were the Nats think tank what kinda out-clause would you give him?  4 years?  5 years? 

Hell what offer would you give him overall?

I'd give him an out if we could keep him for at least 5 years.

[tomterp]

To be fair, AZ didn't raise the point of comparing Dunn to Dukes, someone threw a comment at him and he responded.

It also helps that I agree that Adam Dunn is not the best option we have at 1B.  I'd seriously rather give NJ a chance to stay healthy over putting Dunn in a position he cannot play just to give us a 40 HR guy.

If Adam Dunn plays 1B for us this year, we will lead the majors in infield errors.

Dunn won't play first, Willingham will.

[spidernat]

If you were the Nats think tank what kinda out-clause would you give him?  4 years?  5 years? 

Hell what offer would you give him overall?

I would give him an out clause after 3 years if he wanted it as a gesture that they are serious about winning. If they haven't forked over the dollars it's going to take then he can go after 3 years and no one should have a beef with that.

Ok lets start NJ and then be screwed after 25 games. Brilliant. Casto and Dmitri can back him up

Besides, NJ only hits like 20 HR's and they are always garbage 1 run homers when the game is already lost.

It's because NJ is a true Nat. 

[PANatsFan]

Dunn won't play first, Willingham will.

Interesting - just a hunch?

[tomterp]

Besides, NJ only hits like 20 HR's and they are always garbage 1 run homers when the game is already lost.

Nick's not a premier HR guy, but he stings the ball and hits a ton of doubles, draws a ton of walks, runs the bases decently for a big guy and scores a boatload of runs.  He's the straw that stirs the drink, meaning when he's healthy and producing, our offense is happening.  I've just about written him off in terms of his health, but I love having him in the lineup.

He's on balance just a modest step below Tex in overall productivity, when playing, but very close.

[BerkeleyNat]

Interesting - just a hunch?

Maybe Tom is an "insider". 

God, I can't wait until we can lay that term to rest.

[hammondsnats]

There is no way that we can count on NJ staying healthy. His bones are made of glass. I can't take another season of Casto, Dimitri, or Belliard playing first.

Agreed.  What I don't understand is how NJ won't accept a backup role.  He out of all players should know there tend to be a lot of injuries in this game and that he may see some decent at bats.  And I'm surprised he'd ask JimBo for a trade - considering we get a new 1B - especially how good we've been to him.

[tomterp]

There is no way that we can count on NJ staying healthy. His bones are made of glass. I can't take another season of Casto, Dimitri, or Belliard playing first.

You are forgetting we now have Willingham, a big upgrade over those guys and can play first.

[wpa2629]

Yahoo


Boston Red Sox majority owner John W. Henry, CEO Larry Lucchino and general manager Theo Epstein flew to Texas on Thursday night to meet with free agent Mark Teixeira and his agent, Scott Boras, in an effort to convince the switch-hitting first baseman to sign with Boston.

The Red Sox have made an eight-year offer to Teixeira in excess of $160 million, but sources close to the negotiations say it is less than the $184 million reported by Boston WCVB sportscaster Mike Lynch, who first reported that the meeting would take place.

The meeting will not result in a “take it or leave it” scenario by the Red Sox, a source said. However, Henry said earlier this week that the Red Sox will not satisfy Boras’ request for a 10-year deal, and it appears highly unlikely that Boston will go beyond eight years.

[tomterp]

Agreed.  What I don't understand is how NJ won't accept a backup role. 

Because he's better than anyone we can concieve of putting at first, save Tex.  Nick should be considered to be between the 6th and 10th best all-around first basemen in the game, it's lunacy to play him off the bench.  If he's healthy, he plays.

[BerkeleyNat]

Yahoo


Boston Red Sox majority owner John W. Henry, CEO Larry Lucchino and general manager Theo Epstein flew to Texas on Thursday night to meet with free agent Mark Teixeira and his agent, Scott Boras, in an effort to convince the switch-hitting first baseman to sign with Boston.

The Red Sox have made an eight-year offer to Teixeira in excess of $160 million, but sources close to the negotiations say it is less than the $184 million reported by Boston WCVB sportscaster Mike Lynch, who first reported that the meeting would take place.

The meeting will not result in a “take it or leave it” scenario by the Red Sox, a source said. However, Henry said earlier this week that the Red Sox will not satisfy Boras’ request for a 10-year deal, and it appears highly unlikely that Boston will go beyond eight years.

There you have it. He's there for the taking. Give him the 10 years. Let's get it done.

[zoom]

anyone interested in Sheets or is he too injury prone?

Could we get Dunn and Sheets for ~ 20 million per (money allocated for Tex)?

[spidernat]

Nick's not a premier HR guy, but he stings the ball and hits a ton of doubles,

And then after a couple of weeks, when he inevitably goes on the DL, he probably drinks a lot of doubles. 

  He's the straw that stirs the drink,

 

and scores a boatload of runs. 

I was stunned at the rate at which he scores when he reaches base. However, weren't some of you BP guys arguing that scoring runs is the product of those hitting behind the player in question? Is this only used when it's convenient for the argument?

[tomterp]

Maybe Tom is an "insider". 

God, I can't wait until we can lay that term to rest.

No, just common sense.  If we were to acquire Dunn, put him in left where he can do the least amount of damage defensively, and move Willingham to first if Nick's not healthy.  I agree with Minty, Dunn would be a horrific first baseman.

[hammondsnats]

If he's healthy, he plays.

haha.  patterson his ass.

[spidernat]

anyone interested in Sheets or is he too injury prone?

Could we get Dunn and Sheets for ~ 20 million per (money allocated for Tex)?

Sure why not! People are already arguing about how awesome NJ is even though the motherfreaker never stays healthy. Today is the birth date of TRNJWH. Our freaking fanbase never learns. 

[BerkeleyNat]

Epic Fail   
When something can be seen to be a total failure.

See Epstein, Theo