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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #100 on: April 16, 2025, 11:58:55 am »
I know why they did it, but I'd really like to see them limit the multi inning outings for relievers. If Rutledge doesn't get sent out for a third inning on Monday, he's gone 5 innings of relief giving up 1 run, 4 hits, 2 walks, and 8 strikeouts. That's pretty solid.

I just think you need to find out if these guys can handle a MLB workload. Rutledge, Henry, and Ferrer are the future A bullpen. While going more than three outs is nice, it shouldn't be their primary role. Their stuff is simply too good.

I'd like to see Henry either take over Ferrer's role as 8th inning guy, or use him in Poche's role of getting out lefties. I don't know where he sits post-TOC, but before, his changeup was really really good.

Agree with everything, except that I think Rutledge should continue to be a two-inning guy. He was a starter until this Spring Training, and, second, the bullpen cannot be full of one inning guys. Starters go five innings now, and six innings is treated almost like a complete game was until a couple years ago. That leaves too many innings for a bullpen to cover.

And a nice short article about Henry in MLB.Com. It doesn't say a lot -- of course Henry is delighted to finally make the Majors and wants to help in any way. But it is good that Jessic Camerato recognizes him.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #101 on: April 16, 2025, 12:55:18 pm »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2025/04/15/nationals-pirates-jake-irvin-paul-dejong/

Finny stepping up as the bullpen leader:

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So at 4 p.m. Tuesday, Finnegan yelled “Bullpen!” and rounded up his fellow relievers. He counted to make sure everyone from veteran Jorge López, who signed a one-year, $3 million deal in January, to Cole Henry, who made his big league debut Sunday, was present. Martinez wanted to keep the specifics of the meeting private but said every reliever spoke and the message was positive.

“I just wanted to let them know it’s early,” he said. “We’ve only played 10 percent of our games. We’ve still got 90 percent of our games left. … I just want them to stay positive, keep their heads up. We’ve got a lot of baseball left.”

“You leave that meeting more on a positive note,” Ferrer said. “Have more confidence to go out there and do the job.”

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #102 on: April 16, 2025, 01:35:20 pm »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2025/04/15/nationals-pirates-jake-irvin-paul-dejong/

Finny stepping up as the bullpen leader:

I kind of hate to get on the writer's case, but the "he" in the 2d paragraph naturally reads as Martinez and not Finnegan because Martinez is the immediate antecedent. If the writer meant Finnegan, as I think you read it, then the writer should have said Finnegan there to make it more clear.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #103 on: April 16, 2025, 01:56:29 pm »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2025/04/15/nationals-pirates-jake-irvin-paul-dejong/

Finny stepping up as the bullpen leader:

At least Nats won yesterday with bullpen doing job or this awkward would be painful

We'll glance over the issue is the middle bullpen and Irvin had a start

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #104 on: April 16, 2025, 02:07:24 pm »
Why can't Sims or Poche be long guys?  I know Rutledge was a starter, but he wasn't good as one. Every time you use a guy like that, you lose him for an extra day of recovery for every ~12 pitches he goes past the first inning.

Which wouldn't matter if Sims and Poche didn't suck. But they do. I wanna see Rutledge and Henry in meaningful situations. One inning spurts in a close game. It's obvious ownership doesn't care about winning, so leverage this season to see who can stick next year.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #105 on: April 16, 2025, 03:49:32 pm »
Why can't Sims or Poche be long guys?  I know Rutledge was a starter, but he wasn't good as one. Every time you use a guy like that, you lose him for an extra day of recovery for every ~12 pitches he goes past the first inning.

Which wouldn't matter if Sims and Poche didn't suck. But they do. I wanna see Rutledge and Henry in meaningful situations. One inning spurts in a close game. It's obvious ownership doesn't care about winning, so leverage this season to see who can stick next year.
Are we that hopeful about what we have in Sims that it's not worth trotting out Pilkington for that role? He was a starter and should be used to a bit of length.

If Brzykcy or Ribalta are ready in a couple of weeks, then I think that's when the plug is pulled on Sims. It's about the time  they pulled the plug on Matt Barnes last year.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #106 on: April 16, 2025, 04:38:14 pm »
Ferrer in the 8th, Finnegan in the 9th is not a bad setup.  Problem is Sims, Poche, Ribalta etc, not to mention the manager.  If you have Henry and Rutledge as middle/long relief, half way there. 

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #107 on: April 16, 2025, 06:06:51 pm »
Are we that hopeful about what we have in Sims that it's not worth trotting out Pilkington for that role? He was a starter and should be used to a bit of length.

If Brzykcy or Ribalta are ready in a couple of weeks, then I think that's when the plug is pulled on Sims. It's about the time  they pulled the plug on Matt Barnes last year.
Don't care, honestly. Sims and Poche are lottery tickets. Same for Lopez. Usually you lose. Give them mop up duty and let Henry and Rutledge have the high leverage spots

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #108 on: April 17, 2025, 01:35:25 am »
Sims and Poche should not throw another pitch for this organization

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #109 on: April 17, 2025, 09:16:24 am »
DFA Lopez today. Same guy who was released by the Mets last season when he threw his glove over the netting and into the stands. Lousy pitching plus shameful behavior.


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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #110 on: April 17, 2025, 09:42:19 am »
I think it's beyond time for the organization to DFA a couple bullpen arms. The end of the pen is too good to waste on a disaster in the middle.

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« Reply #111 on: April 17, 2025, 11:41:23 am »
Lopez suspended 3 games (but is appealing). Davey suspended one game.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #112 on: April 17, 2025, 11:44:14 am »
Lopez suspended 3 games (but is appealing). Davey suspended one game.

Sorry I missed this game...I was watching the Habs/Canes...

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #113 on: April 19, 2025, 10:05:31 pm »
Brzykcy threw an inning in Fredricksburg tonight. 1H, 1K

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #114 on: April 20, 2025, 09:40:59 am »
Lucas Sims has an ERA of 15+, a WHIP that would be an average ERA, leads the league in hit batsmen, has walked more batters than he has struck out….and leads the league in appearances.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #115 on: April 20, 2025, 09:59:19 am »
Lucas Sims has an ERA of 15+, a WHIP that would be an average ERA, leads the league in hit batsmen, has walked more batters than he has struck out….and leads the league in appearances.

He's also the rare pitcher with a career BB/9 of ~5 who also has a HR/9 of 1.3.   He's also earning a career high salary.  This is on Rizzo for a remarkably bad signing and Davey for using him so much. 

As was the case with Senzel, Rosario, Gallo, and many of Rizzo's rentals, this will be his last MLB contract.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #116 on: April 20, 2025, 10:18:20 am »
Hector Neris.
Brooks Raley
Joe Kelly.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #117 on: April 20, 2025, 12:01:28 pm »
Lopez back for the nite cap. Suspension reduced by a game.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #119 on: April 20, 2025, 12:16:21 pm »
Andy Lara is there today as 27th man.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #120 on: April 20, 2025, 02:58:44 pm »
Hector Neris.
Brooks Raley
Joe Kelly.
they should be all over Raley. Coming off an injury, had a good showcase for scouts. 

Kelly, if he wants to pitch for an also ran, would be fine.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #121 on: April 20, 2025, 07:51:33 pm »
Cluff threw a scoreless inning for Rochester today. Call him up.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #122 on: April 21, 2025, 10:25:40 am »
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-newcomer-impressions-for-each-team-2025

Count how many of the guys named are relievers.

Count how many of the guys named were obvious guys to target and did not cost a mint, especially the AL names.


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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #123 on: April 21, 2025, 07:44:45 pm »
They like to say "season's only 10% done", but we're nearly a quarter of the way to Rizzo's favorite day, the trading deadline.  Rizzo sees bullpen guys as tradable pieces.  Problem is without Ferrar and Finnegan this bullpen would be historically bad, and no one else has any trade value.  So will be interesting if they just let this season go to complete hell at the deadline...in exchange for some AAAA players or lottery tickets.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #124 on: April 22, 2025, 12:47:43 am »
They like to say "season's only 10% done", but we're nearly a quarter of the way to Rizzo's favorite day, the trading deadline.  Rizzo sees bullpen guys as tradable pieces.  Problem is without Ferrar and Finnegan this bullpen would be historically bad, and no one else has any trade value.  So will be interesting if they just let this season go to complete hell at the deadline...in exchange for some AAAA players or lottery tickets.
Might be like 2023 where Jeimer Candelario turned out to be the only tradeable piece.