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Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« on: March 10, 2025, 11:39:13 am »
Right now, figure:

Finnegan closes at the beginning of the year.
Lopez and Law are the righty late innings guys.
Ferrer is the guy they want to take over and is the high leverage lefty.

After those 4, how has Lucas Sims looked? TalkNats pencils him in a the  guy and sort of a lock.

Main competition is for the last 3 slots. Reifert might have an inside track for one spot as a Rule 5.

Ogasawara might be a long guy . FG pencils in Poche as the other reliever. Salazr, Ribalta would be in the mix.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2025, 11:46:07 am »
Not sure Law is ready by OD given he hasn't pitched yet.

Reifert probably gets a lot of space given he's a rule 5 guy.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2025, 12:24:21 pm »
Camarato suggests: RHP Kyle Finnegan, RHP Derek Law, RHP Jorge López, LHP Jose A. Ferrer, RHP Lucas Sims, LHP Colin Poche, RHP Eduardo Salazar, RHP Evan Reifert


https://www.mlb.com/nationals/news/nationals-2025-opening-day-roster

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2025, 01:13:51 pm »
Camarato suggests: RHP Kyle Finnegan, RHP Derek Law, RHP Jorge López, LHP Jose A. Ferrer, RHP Lucas Sims, LHP Colin Poche, RHP Eduardo Salazar, RHP Evan Reifert


https://www.mlb.com/nationals/news/nationals-2025-opening-day-roster
so Rutledge, Stuart, and Ribalta for the AAA basketball team. Better size than the Lakers.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2025, 01:20:45 pm »
Curious how many innings they'll have Henry throw before saying he's ready for the MLB bullpen. If he keeps his control and throws hard enough, then I'd say 15-20 then an injury / release.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2025, 01:35:28 am »
Would like to see more of Brzykcy and Ribalta.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2025, 04:18:09 am »
Right now, figure:

Finnegan closes at the beginning of the year.
Lopez and Law are the righty late innings guys.
Ferrer is the guy they want to take over and is the high leverage lefty.

After those 4, how has Lucas Sims looked? TalkNats pencils him in a the  guy and sort of a lock.

Main competition is for the last 3 slots. Reifert might have an inside track for one spot as a Rule 5.

Ogasawara might be a long guy . FG pencils in Poche as the other reliever. Salazr, Ribalta would be in the mix.
Fun how bringing back Finnegan and bumping everyone down a spot made this look less bad. While we know who he is, having a workhorse closer who's "fine" is a nice benefit.

If Lopez and Ferrer turn into good 7/8 inning options, plenty of pieces for this bullpen to be fine. Sims is guaranteed a spot. Reifert for a while.

We don't have many inning eating starters, even by modern standards. I see a lot of churn with those remaining spots as guys arms get overuse.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2025, 07:22:30 am »
Curious how many innings they'll have Henry throw before saying he's ready for the MLB bullpen. If he keeps his control and throws hard enough, then I'd say 15-20 then an injury / release.
Yep. No reason to waste bullets down in the minors. At least he'll get MLB pay

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2025, 07:24:55 am »
Would like to see more of Brzykcy and Ribalta.
Brzykcy has a leg injury

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2025, 09:33:16 am »
Would like to see more of Brzykcy and Ribalta.
Ribalta is having a good spring. I doubt he makes the OD roster but we'll see plenty of him in 2025.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2025, 01:28:40 pm »
The Nationals have a crowded bullpen picture. Here’s how it could shake out.

Golden of the WaPo.

Back end 5 looks like Finnegan, with Ferrer, Law, and Lopez the primary set up guys and Sims taking on a role as a hard thrower with some command issues as a bridge. At least initially, Lopez and Ferrer will split closing with Finnegan to prevent overwork.

Beyond that, it gets a bit crowded and complicated. Poche is likely to take Robert Garcia's role as 2d lefty.

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If Martinez sticks with two lefties, everyone else would be fighting for two spots. That group includes Eduardo Salazar, whom the Nationals claimed off waivers last season. He had a 2.96 ERA in 25 appearances with Washington in 2024. At spring training, Salazar hasn’t allowed a run in 7⅔ innings of work. He’s not guaranteed to make the team, but has done nothing to show he shouldn’t.

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Evan Reifert, the Nationals’ Rule 5 pick, creates an interesting predicament. The Nationals have to keep him on the 40-man roster for the full season or send him back to the Rays. Reifert has two effective pitches — his fastball and slider, but he has struggled with his command. He’s walked seven hitters in six appearances. In one outing, he walked four of the five hitters he faced and threw just five of 24 pitches for strikes.
Discusses how Reifert has had problems and how the Nats may not be as tolerant of a Rule 5 as they were with Thad Ward. Mentions Rutledge and Lord as potential multi-inning guys, then digs into other candidates.
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Clay Helvey and Orlando Ribalta are options, too — neither has allowed an earned run in camp. Helvey, though, has pitched one inning in all but one of his six appearances. Ribalta has pitched two innings in his last two appearances. Ribalta has turned heads, and Martinez has gone out of his way to praise the 6-foot-7 righty on multiple occasions. He debuted last year and struggled in his four appearances. This spring, he’s struck out 10 hitters and has looked like a different pitcher.

I will guess Poche, Salazar, and Helvey round things out and that Reifert is offered back to Tampa (or whatever team we got him from). No multi-inning reliever. Ribalta closes in AAA.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2025, 01:58:23 pm »
No reason to hold onto Reifert when there are so many other possible options. He was really good last season in AA but other than that he's been pretty terrible.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2025, 02:24:48 pm »
I think Rutledge ought to be the two-three inning reliever.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2025, 12:04:09 pm »
They returned Reifert, which is a good sign. No third season in a row of a Rule 5 player that is almost a lost roster spot.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2025, 03:18:23 pm »
I could see Helvey and Rutledge making it over Sims and Ogasawara.  Helvey is walk-prone but the contact isn't bad. He piles up the Ks too. Rutledge basically hasn't done anything wrong.

Playing around, something like:

Finnegan
Ferrer
Lopez
Law
Helvey
Salazar
Ribalta (or Poche if they really insist on a second lefty)
Rutledge

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2025, 03:24:12 pm »
Helvey gone. Bobby Barrels and House to Rochester.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2025, 03:28:26 pm »
Helvey gone. Bobby Barrels and House to Rochester.
so much for my feeling. When you say gone, released or assigned to minor league camp?

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2025, 03:46:00 pm »
so much for my feeling. When you say gone, released or assigned to minor league camp?

You actually nailed it .Too many walks. Assigned to minor league camp along with House ,Lipscomb and Pinckney. BB assigned to Rochester.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2025, 04:58:01 pm »
Salazar, Ferrer, and Poche have looked good. Law is a lock. Unfortunately, Lopez and Finnegan are too.

Hopefully they don't wait around with Cole and Ribalta

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2025, 06:49:09 am »
I seem to be higher on López than most. He finished very strong last season with the Cubs.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2025, 10:22:21 am »
And way down there on the payroll
I seem to be higher on López than most. He finished very strong last season with the Cubs.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2025, 11:04:08 am »
I seem to be higher on López than most. He finished very strong last season with the Cubs.
Lopez just seems like a fluke. Like, cool, maybe you get some nominal prospect at the deadline. Same as Finnegan.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2025, 11:51:32 am »
Lopez just seems like a fluke. Like, cool, maybe you get some nominal prospect at the deadline. Same as Finnegan.
Absolutely on Finnegan.

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2025, 07:19:21 am »
The sooner we get to Henry, Ribalta, Brzykcy, and Cavalli, the better off we'll be next year

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Re: Bullpen in 2025: duck and cover
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2025, 10:13:39 am »
Latest episode of Nats Chat they discussed how Brad Lord has a really good chance of making the OD roster as a long reliever. I haven't really been following Spring Training that closely other than what's posted here but I don't think I've seen any discussion on that possibility.

Edit: Nevermind, I see JCA mentioned it above from the Golden article.