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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1025 on: February 04, 2025, 07:00:14 pm »
C - 0%
1B - 10%
2B - 20%
3B - (-100%)
SS - 40%
RF - 60%
CF - 0%
LF - 60%
SP - 20% (until Herz and/or Cavalli get called up)
RP - 0%
Anyone who doesn't like to watch Jacob Young is a pretend baseball fan.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1026 on: February 04, 2025, 07:40:05 pm »
I think both the position starters and the rotation are more than 50% guys who are average or better. Wood, Crews, Young (counting the d), Garcia, Lowe, and Abrams. Rotation: Gore plus 2 out of the next 6 starters.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1027 on: February 04, 2025, 09:10:36 pm »
Anyone who doesn't like to watch Jacob Young is a pretend baseball fan.
Yes, soft groundouts are so much fun.

Young should be benched/traded by June

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1028 on: February 04, 2025, 10:21:44 pm »
I would be happy to watch Young playing off the bench, but Crews ought to be starting in CF with a power bat in RF. That's why Santander made so much sense for this team (or Laviolette in 2026).

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1029 on: February 04, 2025, 10:42:45 pm »
I would be happy to watch Young playing off the bench, but Crews ought to be starting in CF with a power bat in RF. That's why Santander made so much sense for this team (or Laviolette in 2026).

If we are going to punt another season, perhaps Woods and Crews should still be in the minors to avoid burning service time.  This franchise is becoming a joke.   Disgusted. 

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1030 on: February 04, 2025, 11:43:21 pm »
If we are going to punt another season, perhaps Woods and Crews should still be in the minors to avoid burning service time.  This franchise is becoming a joke.   Disgusted.

This franchise has been a joke since the '21 salary dumps.  Foolish fans bought into the "rebuild" BS Rizzo spouted to cover for the Lerner refusal to spend.  Find me another top 10 market where people think a 76 win season on the heels of five losing seasons before it is "progress".

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1031 on: February 05, 2025, 08:38:29 am »
This franchise has been a joke since the '21 salary dumps.  Foolish fans bought into the "rebuild" "reboot" BS Rizzo spouted to cover for the Lerner refusal to spend.  Find me another top 10 market where people think a 76 win season on the heels of five losing seasons before it is "progress".
2021 they weren't admitting it was a rebuild. Rizzo called it a "reboot," which was meant to convey something short leading to an immediate return to contention. That was idiocy, but it better explains the trades returns from 2021 deals. Thomas, Ruiz, Gray, Thompson, Adams - all quick to the majors pieces, with arguably on Gray and Ruiz thought to be potential long term regulars. The rebuild didn't really start until the Soto/Bell deal, where the emphasis was on high end pieces regardless of distance to the majors.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1032 on: February 05, 2025, 08:54:32 am »
It's just rehashing an old argument, but I disagree that fans were foolish to think the Lerners would eventually spend again commensurate with DC's market size in the summer of '21. I think you have to have some unjustified optimism to still think that way now, but not in July of 2021.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1033 on: February 05, 2025, 10:47:50 am »
Fair, but what else is there to look forward to this summer?  Most people in the DMV don't have the connections to get tickets to the autos-da-fé
This franchise has been a joke since the '21 salary dumps.  Foolish fans bought into the "rebuild" BS Rizzo spouted to cover for the Lerner refusal to spend.  Find me another top 10 market where people think a 76 win season on the heels of five losing seasons before it is "progress".

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« Reply #1034 on: February 05, 2025, 11:10:03 am »
Most people in the DMV don't have the connections to get tickets to the autos-da-fé

OldChelsea probably could have hooked us up...

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1035 on: February 05, 2025, 11:37:49 am »
  Most people in the DMV don't have the connections to get tickets to the autos-da-fé
is that  anything like Otto the Pilot in Airplane!


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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1036 on: February 05, 2025, 03:54:43 pm »
It's just rehashing an old argument, but I disagree that fans were foolish to think the Lerners would eventually spend again commensurate with DC's market size in the summer of '21. I think you have to have some unjustified optimism to still think that way now, but not in July of 2021.

Trading Kyle Schwarber for a bucket of balls, and asking the Dodgers to make one of Max's deferral payments, reducing what was sent back, had nothing to do with rebuilding, but salary dumping.  Many core fans were very foolish and naive, and the kool-aid drinking was painful to watch. 

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1037 on: February 05, 2025, 04:34:15 pm »
Trading Kyle Schwarber for a bucket of balls, and asking the Dodgers to make one of Max's deferral payments, reducing what was sent back, had nothing to do with rebuilding, but salary dumping.  Many core fans were very foolish and naive, and the kool-aid drinking was painful to watch.

Schwarby remains the one I miss the most of all the ones they dumped...not only could he be electric, he had/has a great way about him. 

And he would have been the 2018 HRD Champ if the Royce's hadn't cheated.


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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1038 on: February 05, 2025, 04:59:27 pm »
Schwarby remains the one I miss the most of all the ones they dumped...not only could he be electric, he had/has a great way about him. 

And he would have been the 2018 HRD Champ if the Royce's hadn't cheated.


He was never coming back though. He was here to cash in on a one year, prove it deal.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1039 on: February 05, 2025, 05:54:15 pm »
The 2021 team was built to win again until it was found that Strasburg could not pitch. Schwarber and Bell fit perfectly, although the Nats did not have a 3B. And then...

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1040 on: February 05, 2025, 06:26:47 pm »
The 2021 team was built to win again until it was found that Strasburg could not pitch. Schwarber and Bell fit perfectly, although the Nats did not have a 3B. And then...
Yep. Rizzo had some money to compete, but then the bottom fell out. Strasburg came back hitting 91mph, Corbin turned into a pumpkin, Schwarber almost tore his hamstring, and Kieboom became Kiebust.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1041 on: February 05, 2025, 11:42:31 pm »
I'm bummed that the Nationals were nowhere in any of the Pete Alonso rumors. Back in the day they would have at least played a spoiler role to help out Boras by bidding up the price.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1042 on: February 06, 2025, 12:04:42 am »
I'm bummed that the Nationals were nowhere in any of the Pete Alonso rumors. Back in the day they would have at least played a spoiler role to help out Boras by bidding up the price.
2/$54 million plus a $10M signing bonus after rejecting 7/$158M. The Nats were never going to offer that kind of money.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1043 on: February 06, 2025, 12:53:18 am »
If I didn't love the game of baseball so much, I'd put the Nationals in the same category as the Wizards right now in terms of not caring.  Ownership clearly has no interest in competing and this offseason was proof.  I love baseball itself too much to fully give up on the Nationals, but I just don't see a future for this team anymore so long as the Lerner's own the club.  Just sell the team if you don't want it.  This is bullcrap.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1044 on: February 06, 2025, 08:51:55 am »
2/$54 million plus a $10M signing bonus after rejecting 7/$158M. The Nats were never going to offer that kind of money.
True but two years at $60 million could have done it. They have more than enough money for that.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1045 on: February 06, 2025, 09:26:12 am »
If I didn't love the game of baseball so much, I'd put the Nationals in the same category as the Wizards right now in terms of not caring.  Ownership clearly has no interest in competing and this offseason was proof.  I love baseball itself too much to fully give up on the Nationals, but I just don't see a future for this team anymore so long as the Lerner's own the club.  Just sell the team if you don't want it.  This is bullcrap.
The Wizards needed to tank and took them too long to do so.  Only way they can get top end talent since they are not a free agent destination. Nats are a different story. They can’t even be in the draft lottery after this season. And many ways to get players. Ownership is just cheap.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1046 on: February 06, 2025, 10:50:43 am »
Uh, the Wizards are the hottest team in the NBA right now. :)

The Nats needed to tank as well after 2021, but they needed to add pieces this off-season.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1047 on: February 06, 2025, 10:52:10 am »
Any chance we flip Poole for something?

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1048 on: February 06, 2025, 10:53:00 am »
Any chance we flip Poole for something?
probably not.

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Re: 2025 Off-season - general thread
« Reply #1049 on: February 06, 2025, 11:10:37 am »
Active payroll ranking up to 27th.   Among Bell, Soroka, Williams, and Lowe, will be interesting to see who's still here after the deadline.