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Low Budget: Kinks Tribute & Nats Payroll
« Topic Start: February 04, 2024, 04:32:23 PM »
So very much sadness with this...

Is there a site somewhere that might list how much more that the duo of Strasburg and Corbin will make than the remaining 38 or 24 players on those respective rosters...as it sits at present?

If dave's greatest praise of Corbin is that he takes the ball every 5 days...someone let him know that for just a fraction of what he makes, I'd gladly do the same...
that's easy to calculate using Cot's numbers.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Au_xTIni1eJbDGzravS1482wBbzN9DBQaOY1wwo2Mr0/edit#gid=1520401900

Including any prorated bonus and not accounting for deferrals, Corbin is due $35.4MM this year and Stras $32.5MM. That's about $67.9 million. The projected 40-man payroll is $127.2 million. So, the rest of the payroll for the 40 man roster is $59.3 million. The amount due for PC and SS is about $8.6 million more than the rest.

There's deferrals, too, and other sites calculate slightly different numbers.

Edit - breakout from the roster thread & Kinks Tribute:



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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #1: February 04, 2024, 06:06:11 PM »
that's easy to calculate using Cot's numbers.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Au_xTIni1eJbDGzravS1482wBbzN9DBQaOY1wwo2Mr0/edit#gid=1520401900

Including any prorated bonus and not accounting for deferrals, Corbin is due $35.4MM this year and Stras $32.5MM. That's about $67.9 million. The projected 40-man payroll is $127.2 million. So, the rest of the payroll for the 40 man roster is $59.3 million. The amount due for PC and SS is about $8.6 million more than the rest.

There's deferrals, too, and other sites calculate slightly different numbers.

That's really, really depressing...

Thanks for doing the math...  :thumbs:

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #2: February 04, 2024, 07:53:24 PM »
That's really, really depressing...

Thanks for doing the math...  :thumbs:
You should listen to Billy Joel to cheer you up!

On a more serious note this is depressing.  I would like to think the owners would be willing to sign some giys once some of the prospects arrive but seems they just want to cut costs until they can sell the team.  Which seems doubtful. 

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #3: February 04, 2024, 08:53:35 PM »
You should listen to Billy Joel to cheer you up!

On a more serious note this is depressing.  I would like to think the owners would be willing to sign some giys once some of the prospects arrive but seems they just want to cut costs until they can sell the team.  Which seems doubtful.

I actually like BJ...but that is truly one dreadful song...and after 17 years!  Yeesh...why bother, unless he's that strapped for cash.

I knew the Nats numbers were bad, but I'd no idea that we'd be fielding, essentially, a $60MM payroll MLB (supposedly) team.  Stras is useless and Corbin is a liability.  I don't know how Rizzo can keep a straight face anymore with his "We want to be competitive" schtick...

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #4: February 04, 2024, 09:12:01 PM »
I actually like BJ...but that is truly one dreadful song...and after 17 years!  Yeesh...why bother, unless he's that strapped for cash.

I knew the Nats numbers were bad, but I'd no idea that we'd be fielding, essentially, a $60MM payroll MLB (supposedly) team.  Stras is useless and Corbin is a liability.  I don't know how Rizzo can keep a straight face anymore with his "We want to be competitive" schtick...
We are the KC Royals. 

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #5: February 04, 2024, 10:36:27 PM »
We are the KC Royals. 
The Royals added talent this offseason

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #6: February 04, 2024, 11:04:22 PM »
According to Fanduel the over/under for the Roayls is 72.5. The Nats is 66.5.

In 2021 the Nats won 65. I need to decide if the Nats 2024 team will be better than the 2021 Nats. If so I'll bet the over.

I already bet the O's over 91.5.

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #7: February 04, 2024, 11:46:07 PM »
We really are going to tank for Ethan Holliday aren’t we?

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #8: February 05, 2024, 12:08:50 AM »
The cash value of Stras, Corbin + deferrals is $66.6 million this year.

Then next year Gore and Gray become arb eligible and Corbin gets a $10 million deferral. 

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #9: February 05, 2024, 06:01:56 AM »
Just think of our 2024 Nationals as the Aldi of MLB... ;)

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #10: February 05, 2024, 08:50:21 AM »
We will catch up to the Royals in a couple years.  Maybe .500 in five. 

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #11: February 05, 2024, 08:52:25 AM »
The cash value of Stras, Corbin + deferrals is $66.6 million this year.

Then next year Gore and Gray become arb eligible and Corbin gets a $10 million deferral.
So you’re saying the Lerners will need to spend a little more.  Almost like they could have predicted those deferrals coming due. 

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #12: February 05, 2024, 08:52:50 AM »
Just think of our 2024 Nationals as the Aldi of MLB... ;)
But Aldi has a few good items. 

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #13: February 05, 2024, 08:53:56 AM »
i'm trying to figure out how self-bagging groceries translates here.

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« Reply #14: February 05, 2024, 09:09:43 AM »
i'm trying to figure out how self-bagging groceries translates here.
It’s more like the Dollar Store. 

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #15: February 05, 2024, 10:08:55 AM »
Yea, Aldi is the Rays.

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #16: February 05, 2024, 11:48:31 AM »
On the likely roster for opening day are the following players with contracts that expire or are eligible for free agency after 2024:

Corbin ($35.42 million)
Williams ($7 million)
Robles ($2.65 million)
Floro ($2.25 millon)

That's $47 million off the books.

Gallo has a mutual option for $8 million with a $2.5 million buyout. It's unusual for mutual options to be exercised, but I could see that in this case if he's not traded. Figure it this way: If he's playing well, then he's moved at the deadline. If he's playing poorly, he gets cut and the Nats are out $2.5 million. But if he's playing acceptably and perhaps Crews / Wood / Hassell / Morales don't have more than 1 or 2 ready for MLB, then it might be in the Nats interest to have him back at an additional $5.5 million figuring they weren't going to get much better than that for a one year guy, and it might be in Gallo's interest to take it because he had already tested the market this year and found he wasn't likely to beat $5 million by much.

All of these guys would be trade bait if they are performing well. Corbin and Williams would be a little tougher to move than Gallo, Floro or Robles if they are playing well. Corbin we'd have to eat salary to get anyone to take him off the Nats hands.

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #17: February 05, 2024, 01:03:40 PM »
Doesnt Corbin have a bunch of deferred money though?

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #18: February 05, 2024, 01:12:01 PM »
Doesnt Corbin have a bunch of deferred money though?
corbin's $35 million has $10 million deferred to be paid between November 2024 and 1/26. That and about $8 million would be owed after 7/31/24. I  don't see any other deferrals on Cot's. I assume the Nats would have to eat a lot of that $18 million were they to try to trade him, and it would only be if he's pitching much better than he has since 2020. I think you could move him if he had a mid-4s ERA with a low 4s FIP, and if you eat about $12+ million of what he's owed.

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #19: February 05, 2024, 01:16:10 PM »
Okay, so its not as much as Stras or Scherzer.

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #20: February 05, 2024, 04:07:35 PM »
Okay, so its not as much as Stras or Scherzer.
in terms of cash flow, neither Cot's nor Roster Resource has the deferred obligations to Scherzer et al.

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #21: February 05, 2024, 04:13:07 PM »
in terms of cash flow, neither Cot's nor Roster Resource has the deferred obligations to Scherzer et al.

Max gets $15m per year through 2027, with the Dodgers picking up the 2028 payment that was in his Nats contract.

Stras gets $80m from 27-29, spread equally over those three seasons, or $26.67m per year.

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Re: Re: Roster Moves 2024
« Reply #22: February 05, 2024, 04:15:54 PM »
Max gets $15m per year through 2027, with the Dodgers picking up the 2028 payment that was in his Nats contract.

Stras gets $80m from 27-29, spread equally over those three seasons, or $26.67m per year.
what is the cash to Stras this year? What other players are still on the books? Soriano? Hand? Can you link to a source?

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Re: Low Budget: Kinks Tribute & Nats Payroll
« Reply #23: February 05, 2024, 04:25:28 PM »
For the Anglophiles, a tribute to the Nats financial approach:


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« Reply #24: February 05, 2024, 04:26:04 PM »
what is the cash to Stras this year? What other players are still on the books? Soriano? Hand? Can you link to a source?

Spotrac has deferred salaries listed:
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/washington-nationals//payroll