Approach to the trade deadline

[Five Banners]

Thinking the 2-13 stretch may have firmly closed the door on being buyers

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Thinking the 2-13 stretch may have firmly closed the door on being buyers

We have post of the year. This may be understatement of the year.

[imref]

You know, they wrote off the Reds once too... 

[welch]

It's going to take at least a hot month of hitting by Robles for teams to think that the injury is not bothering him and that the first month"s hitting wasn't a fluke.

An old saying in IT: "Let's stop testing while it still works".

[Natsinpwc]

An old saying in IT: "Let's stop testing while it still works".

Made me laugh.

[Natsinpwc]

Thinking the 2-13 stretch may have firmly closed the door on being buyers

Point of Know Return.

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

Rizzo is going to have to pull off another Lester for Thomas out of nowhere, because we’re out of legitimate trade chips after the last 2 years.  This is a tough time to find excitement, because our young core now isn’t doing anything that exciting aside from maybe Gore, and our top prospects like Wood and Green are a ways off.  It seems next year is shaping up to be a lot more like this year with the same “core” guys and cheap fill ins. 

[Slateman]

Rizzo is going to have to pull off another Lester for Thomas out of nowhere, because we’re out of legitimate trade chips after the last 2 years.  This is a tough time to find excitement, because our young core now isn’t doing anything that exciting aside from maybe Gore, and our top prospects like Wood and Green are a ways off.  It seems next year is shaping up to be a lot more like this year with the same “core” guys and cheap fill ins. 

Lol, for real?

Candelario, Dickerson, Finnegan, and Edwards are great trade chips.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Lol, for real?

Candelario, Dickerson, Finnegan, and Edwards are great trade chips.

great's an exaggeration. They aren't what we had the past few years, which was 4 or 5 all stars (Max, Trea, Schwarber in'21, Soto, and I forget if Bell was an all star). That said, Candelario is on his way to a 3+ WAR season, bat and glove, so he should have a market. Likewise, Finnegan should play as much as any reliever. Think Hudson-level deal (got us Thompson). hold your breath on Edwards and hope he's healthy and can demonstrate it. Thomas of course would have a market if the Nats listen.

[nobleisthyname]

I'd throw Williams in there as another good trade chip as well

[Slateman]

Really wish the Lerners would be willing to take on a bad contract for a good prospect return

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Williams for sure. It's not going to get Ruiz/ Gray/Gore/ Abrams level, but there's an opportunity to add depth beyond the high end talent in the system.

If you exclude what we got back for the All Stars, we came up with Thomas, Thompson, Millas, and Riley Adams for pieces comparable to what we will be trading, maybe even less than what we could offer.

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

Lol, for real?

Candelario, Dickerson, Finnegan, and Edwards are great trade chips.

None of them are bringing back top prospects.  If we get anybody that becomes a solid contributor on a future contender, then that’s a win.  Those guys get depth pieces/lotto tickets.

[Slateman]

None of them are bringing back top prospects.  If we get anybody that becomes a solid contributor on a future contender, then that’s a win.  Those guys get depth pieces/lotto tickets.

We're gonna get multiple solid contributors

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

great's an exaggeration. They aren't what we had the past few years, which was 4 or 5 all stars (Max, Trea, Schwarber in'21, Soto, and I forget if Bell was an all star). That said, Candelario is on his way to a 3+ WAR season, bat and glove, so he should have a market. Likewise, Finnegan should play as much as any reliever. Think Hudson-level deal (got us Thompson). hold your breath on Edwards and hope he's healthy and can demonstrate it. Thomas of course would have a market if the Nats listen.

Candy would seem to maybe have a similar market as Schwarber had as he has defensive value with a solid bat but not the upside of Schwarber offensively.  Maybe you get a top 10-15 range guy in someone’s system for him?

I don’t see Finnegan as near what Hudson was.  He hasn’t been very good, he just happens to have the prestige of having closed games.  I can’t see him as more than middle relief on a contender.

Williams has some swing man value if we were to put him on the block.

Thomas would fetch the most if he were made available.  To me, he’s kind of the Michael Morse of the current rebuild.  A guy that is acquired cheap and is an older breakout, but his prime years can still overlap some with the start of the new window. 

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

We're gonna get multiple solid contributors

I hope so. 

[blue911]

Williams for sure. It's not going to get Ruiz/ Gray/Gore/ Abrams level, but there's an opportunity to add depth beyond the high end talent in the system.

If you exclude what we got back for the All Stars, we came up with Thomas, Thompson, Millas, and Riley Adams for pieces comparable to what we will be trading, maybe even less than what we could offer.

Williams is the type of pitcher you leave off your post-season roster.

[hotshot]

Lol, for real?

Candelario, Dickerson, Finnegan, and Edwards are great trade chips.

Mets are desperate and still have some good prospects to raid. One potential trade partner for sure.

[Natsinpwc]

Mets are desperate and still have some good prospects to raid. One potential trade partner for sure.

The Mets are like 9 games out of a wild card. With a bunch of teams ahead of them. They just traded a meat a veteran. Not sure they are a buyer.

[Slateman]

The Mets are like 9 games out of a wild card. With a bunch of teams ahead of them. They just traded a meat a veteran. Not sure they are a buyer.

With that payroll, they will buy. They're gonna try Baty at third.

Mets need some bullpen help, but ultimately, they just need their players to perform.

Yankees are the favorites IMO. Judge has a torn ligament in his toe. If they intend to hold on until he is back, they're gonna need a lot more offense. Candelario and Dickerson would be a solid start.

[imref]

The Mets are like 9 games out of a wild card. With a bunch of teams ahead of them. They just traded a meat a veteran. Not sure they are a buyer.

i can't imagine their owner will give up and go into a rebuild. He's got too much invested and probably doesn't understand the concept of sunk cost.

[Natsinpwc]

With that payroll, they will buy. They're gonna try Baty at third.

Mets need some bullpen help, but ultimately, they just need their players to perform.

Yankees are the favorites IMO. Judge has a torn ligament in his toe. If they intend to hold on until he is back, they're gonna need a lot more offense. Candelario and Dickerson would be a solid start.

Baty at 3B helped lose the game yesterday.

If they just need the players to perform why make trades as buyers?

[Natsinpwc]

i can't imagine their owner will give up and go into a rebuild. He's got too much invested and probably doesn't understand the concept of sunk cost.

It’s a toy for him so apparently does not care about losing money.  At some point though you are just too far back to make trades that can help. Don’t think they will be a seller but not a buyer either. Unless they get hot soon.

[welch]

Candelario would be the most valuable flippage player, but he is a rental. That reduces any return. Of the two NY teams, the Mets are so far out of it that they might sell. Verlander and Scherzer look finished, while their B-bullpen relievers were comical yesterday. And Diaz won't pitch this season. And would Rizzo trade with the Mets?

The Yankees are more likely buyers, as Slateman keeps saying. Donaldson and LaMahieu are "struggling", and Donaldson might struggle off into retirement. LaMahieu is owed $15 million for three seasons after this, so money might say they stick with him, and suffer into LaMahieu's late thirties. At that, Candelario would be fill one hole, but they need a slugging outfielder even when Judge recovers from his sprained toe. Right now, Judge cannot even walk on it, so who knows when that might be. (Judge and Boone won't predict)

[Slateman]

Baty at 3B helped lose the game yesterday.

If they just need the players to perform why make trades as buyers?

Their pen was sus coming in to the season. But beyond that, are they really gonna replace one of their vets? Are the gonna put Verlander in the pen? Marte on the bench?

They spent way too much to be sellers at the deadline. They're gonna buy some en and bench pieces. Then again, Cohen could say freak it and get Ohtani