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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #75 on: June 27, 2022, 10:43:45 pm »
Rocker has 25 K's in 15 innings. I say we do it.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #76 on: June 28, 2022, 11:13:00 am »
Philosophically, my feeling is it is an ideal team has a flow of high-end arms surrounded by opportunistic pickups.  I think you can always find corner players who can help on reasonable terms as a free agent, as well as a glove or two up the middle, but getting into a cycle of buying pitching leaves you with a ton of dead money on overpays.  Of course, what I'm describing is the Nats, and in terms of dead money, I'm also describing the Red Sox.  I also think the Mets signing of Scherzer is a nice model. If you do go out and sign a vet pitcher, overpay for a shorter contract.

Along those lines, Rocker vs. Paredes, it'd be Rocker, especially if you are projecting Paredes as a 1B and not a C.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #77 on: June 28, 2022, 12:02:44 pm »
Parada you mean?

Rocker has to be top five if he has clean medicals. But how clean can they be considering the Mets were willing to tank their entire draft over it? They feared a Brady Aiken scenario. 

We'll never know until (presumably) draft night or after.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #78 on: June 28, 2022, 12:12:22 pm »
Drafting a quick-moving, first-baseman college hitter when you're at the beginning of a rebuild is a really dumb move which is why I think Rizzo is set on it. He wants to rush Parada to the majors and pray Cavalli and Gray are good enough to build a rotation around.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #79 on: June 28, 2022, 12:17:20 pm »
Drafting a quick-moving, first-baseman college hitter when you're at the beginning of a rebuild is a really dumb move which is why I think Rizzo is set on it. He wants to rush Parada to the majors and pray Cavalli and Gray are good enough to build a rotation around.
I think that Rizzo taking him would indicate that he doesnt feel like they're at the beginning of a rebuild

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #80 on: June 28, 2022, 12:29:52 pm »
I think that Rizzo taking him would indicate that he doesnt feel like they're at the beginning of a rebuild

only makes sense if he knows the next owner wants to come in and drop bags on free agents. no way he can reload quickly with the lerners still owning the team and cutting any spending. hopefully that's wrapped up the start of free agency

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #81 on: June 28, 2022, 01:03:44 pm »
Drafting a quick-moving, first-baseman college hitter when you're at the beginning of a rebuild is a really dumb move which is why I think Rizzo is set on it. He wants to rush Parada to the majors and pray Cavalli and Gray are good enough to build a rotation around.
GM wants to keep his job with new owners. Shocking!

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #82 on: June 28, 2022, 01:05:56 pm »
He drafted House last year, so I think his preference to go college is overblown.

Not sure if I've posted this. A lot to be excited about with Parada! I just like 4 other players more :lol: I can't find anything really breaking down his defense and if he projects more as a 1B.

Kevin Parada
Georgia Tech C
Notes:
HT: 6-1 | Wt: 210 | B-T: R-R
Commit/Drafted: Never Drafted
Age At Draft: 20.9
BA Grade: 60/High

Tools: Hit: 65. Power: 60. Run: 45. Field: 45. Arm: 45.

One of the top prep hitters in the 2020 draft class, Parada ranked as the No. 48 prospect on the BA 500 but made it to campus at Georgia Tech after going undrafted. His cross country move from Southern California to Atlanta should pay off, as Parada is now viewed as one of the best prospects in the 2022 draft class—and again viewed as one of the most accomplished pure hitters of the crop, albeit a more proven one with more power. A draft-eligible sophomore, Parada turned in a strong freshman campaign in 2021 (.318/.379/.550 with nine home runs and 20 doubles) before looking tired and worn out during the summer in the Cape Cod League and with USA Baseball’s Collegiate National Team. Over the offseason, Parada added more weight and strength, which translated into more home run power (26) and durability that has prevented fatigue from setting in at the end of the season. Parada has a unique pre-pitch setup at the plate, with his bat angled behind his back and pointed down into the dirt with his lead shoulder raised and almost directly between his eyes and the pitcher. Despite that unorthodox setup, Parada consistently gets to a good launch position and times up quality stuff, with the ability to hit for average power to all fields. His improved power production this spring came with reduced strikeout rates (from 16.9% in 2021 to 9.5% in 2022) and he also walked as frequently as he whiffed. Between his contact ability, newfound power and production in a strong conference, Parada’s offensive package is as complete and proven as anyone’s in the 2022 class. Defensively, it’s less glowing, though Parada has made strides to improve as a receiver and thrower this spring. He’s a good athlete and runner for a catcher, but could improve his lateral mobility and blocking, as well as his arm strength, which is cited as fringe-average currently. He did improve his 12% caught stealing rate from 2021 to 22% in 2022 and scouts who know him praise his work ethic and desire to stick at the position at the next level. Parada’s bat is enough to force its way into a big league lineup and he should be one of the first college players selected because of it.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #83 on: June 28, 2022, 01:55:06 pm »
Interesting.  That's BA's profile of Parada? For comparison, FG's current profile of Spencer Torkelson is a 50/ 60 hit, 50/70 Game power, 70/70 raw power.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #84 on: June 28, 2022, 02:29:32 pm »
Parada's 90th percentile outcome is like Kyle Schwarber.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #85 on: June 30, 2022, 08:13:54 am »
MLB’s latest had us taking Elijah Green. Basically they view it as a clear top 5 or maybe 6, Parada being number 6

5. Nationals: Elijah Green, OF, IMG Academy, Bradenton, Fla. (No. 2)
Unless there's a surprise in the first four picks, the Nationals appear to be choosing between Green and Parada.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #86 on: June 30, 2022, 03:28:19 pm »
Don't draft a catcher in the top 10 unless you think he hits enough to be drafted there as a 1B. 

Similarly, don't draft a guy as an SS unless he hits enough to stick as a 2B or 3B or a CF unless you're sure the stick justifies that draft position as a corner.  Difference with those is that it's a lot easier to tell earlier if a guy will stay at SS than if he'll stay at C. 

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #87 on: June 30, 2022, 07:20:40 pm »
Keith Law, in the Athletic, has Texas taking Green and the Nats taking Parada.

How close were the "experts" in last year's draft?

Of course, the Nats could draft Rocker. If he fails the physical, then, like the Mets last year, they could get the draft choice back. With this season's bottom-of-the-barrel finish, they would have a pair of top-5 picks in 2023.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #88 on: June 30, 2022, 07:30:01 pm »
Keith Law, in the Athletic, has Texas taking Green and the Nats taking Parada.

How close were the "experts" in last year's draft?

From the 2021 thread:
https://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=38918.0

Last mock draft on MLB Pipeline:
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mock-draft-june-2?t=mlb-draft-coverage

MOCK
1. Marcelo Mayer (Pirates)
2. Henry Davis (Rangers)
3. Jack Leiter (Tigers)
4. Jordan Lawler. (Red Sox)
5. Brady House (O's)
6. Kumar Rocker (Arizona)
7. Khalil Watson (KC)
8. Jackson Jobe (Colorado)
9. Benny Montgomery (Angels)
10. Sal Frelick (Mets)
11. Sam Bachman (Nats)
       ACTUAL
1. Henry Davis
2. Jack Leiter
3. Jackson Jobe
4. Marcelo Mayer
5. Colton Cowswer
6. Jordan Lawler
7. Frank Mozzicato
8. Benny Montgomery
9. Sam Bachman
10. Kumar Rocker
11. Brady House


Khalil Watson went 16th.
Sal Frelick went 15th

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #89 on: July 02, 2022, 12:16:02 pm »
From the 2021 thread:
https://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=38918.0

Last mock draft on MLB Pipeline:
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mock-draft-june-2?t=mlb-draft-coverage

MOCK
1. Marcelo Mayer (Pirates)
2. Henry Davis (Rangers)
3. Jack Leiter (Tigers)
4. Jordan Lawler. (Red Sox)
5. Brady House (O's)
6. Kumar Rocker (Arizona)
7. Khalil Watson (KC)
8. Jackson Jobe (Colorado)
9. Benny Montgomery (Angels)
10. Sal Frelick (Mets)
11. Sam Bachman (Nats)
       ACTUAL
1. Henry Davis
2. Jack Leiter
3. Jackson Jobe
4. Marcelo Mayer
5. Colton Cowswer
6. Jordan Lawler
7. Frank Mozzicato
8. Benny Montgomery
9. Sam Bachman
10. Kumar Rocker
11. Brady House


Khalil Watson went 16th.
Sal Frelick went 15th


Suggesting that the value of the mock drafts is as a way to learn something about the draft-able guys. The top ten or twelve in the mock drafts will be drafted in the top 15 or so picks, but in no predictable order.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #90 on: July 03, 2022, 09:06:13 am »
Rocker had surgery last September. “Minor scope” of his right shoulder per his agent.



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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #92 on: July 03, 2022, 09:05:25 pm »
BA's July Mock is out.

1
Orioles
Druw Jones
Wesleyan HS, Norcross, Ga.OF
Notes:
Total Bonus Pool: $16,924,000
Pick Slot Value: $8,842,200

The same group of names continue to be linked to the Orioles, with no one having much confidence in which direction Mike Elias is leaning for the No. 1 pick. That group seems to include Druw Jones, Jackson Holliday, Elijah Green, Termarr Johnson, Brooks Lee and Jacob Berry. I haven’t heard Berry’s name linked quite as much lately but I am assuming he is still solidly in the mix of players Baltimore is thinking about.

My gut tells me this is going to be a high school player, but I will reiterate my comments from the previous mock draft: I have low confidence in what Baltimore is going to do and don’t expect to have much in the way of clarity moving forward. This is how it operates up top. Jones feels like the most likely pick considering he’s the best player in the class, so he’s the pick for now.

With almost $2 million more in pool money than the No. 2 team (D-backs) do the Orioles really need to cut a deal with the first pick to get creative later? I don’t think so. They will have a lot of money to work with regardless.

LESS
2
Diamondbacks
Jackson Holliday
Stillwater (Okla.) HSSS
Notes:
Total Bonus Pool: $15,112,100
Pick Slot Value: $8,185,100

If Jones goes No. 1 I think Arizona would select from a group that includes Holliday, Termarr Johnson, Cal Poly shortstop Brooks Lee and Georgia Tech catcher Kevin Parada. If Johnson doesn’t go in this spot, there’s a chance he could wind up more in the 6-8 range than with one of the teams picking in the 3-5 hole. The industry seems pretty confident that Jackson Holliday goes among the first three picks and because of that I’m making him the pick for Arizona here—although again, we heard this same sort of chatter with Marcelo Mayer a year ago and he slipped to No. 4.

LESS
3
Rangers
Elijah Green
IMG Academy, Bradenton, Fla.OF
Notes:
Total Bonus Pool: $9,640,700
Pick Slot Value: $7,587,600

This feels like the floor for Jackson Holliday based on how much the Rangers seem to like him. He doesn’t make it to their pick in this mock, so they will have to settle for the biggest pure upside player in the class in Elijah Green. I still wouldn’t be surprised if Texas goes for one of the best college prospects on the board in Brooks Lee or Kevin Parada and both are available here.

Both Brooks Lee and Kevin Parada make plenty of sense in that regard and it would be surprising if they aren’t options here.

Most chatter seems to indicate that both Jackson Holliday and Druw Jones will be off the board among the first three picks—though keep in mind, that was the thought with Marcelo Mayer even on draft day in 2021.

LESS
4
Pirates
Cam Collier
Chipola (Fla.) JC3B
Notes:
Total Bonus Pool: $13,733,900
Pick Slot Value: $7,002,100

Collier has plenty of buzz and increasingly looks like a lock to go inside the top 10 picks. There are a few teams picking towards the back of the top 10 who are enamored with Collier, but Pittsburgh has been doing plenty of work on the 17-year-old pure hitter as well and he sounds like an increasingly legitimate option at No. 4.

It sounds like the Pirates have been doing some work on Pennsylvania high school shortstop Cole Young as well, but this spot seems high for him considering the players available. Pittsburgh does have the fourth-largest bonus pool (behind the Orioles, D-backs and Mets) at $13,733,900 so they have the financial muscle to get a bit creative.

Whether that’s forcing a player they prefer past the Rangers at No. 3 (No. 14 bonus pool at $9,640,700), spreading money around their draft pool a la 2021 or playing things straight up remains to be seen.

LESS
5
Nationals
Kevin Parada
Georgia TechC
Notes:
Total Bonus Pool: $11,007,900
Pick Slot Value: $6,494,300

Parada has happened to fall into the five-spot with the Nationals in back-to-back mock drafts. It’s very hard to put any other player in this spot here given how the board has developed and the chatter in the industry that has linked Parada to Washington. The talent fits here, it sounds like Washington higher ups were spending a lot of time on the backstop and there’s no other option that makes more sense in my opinion. I won’t overcomplicate things.

LESS

6
Marlins
Termarr Johnson
Mays HS, AtlantaSS
Notes:
Total Bonus Pool: $10,486,000
Pick Slot Value: $6,034,300

The best pure hitter in the class has a few potential landing spots in this range on the board and in this mock we have the Marlins scooping up a talent that could have easily gone sooner—similar to a year ago with Kahlil Watson, though the two are very different players.

LESS
7
Cubs
Brooks Lee
Cal PolySS
Notes:
Total Bonus Pool: $10,092,700
Pick Slot Value: $5,708,000

This could be a bummer scenario for the Cubs, as both Collier and Johnson come off the board in front of them. It sounds like the Cubs are high on both lefthanded bats and if either fell to them they would probably scoop them up. Collier has been mentioned most frequently at this spot and more recently with Pittsburgh at four. With neither available we have the Cubs taking another polished, pure hitter in Brooks Lee.

LESS
8
Twins
Jacob Berry
Louisiana State1B/3B
Notes:
Total Bonus Pool: $10,036,000
Pick Slot Value: $5,439,500

If both Termarr Johnson and Cam Collier make it to the Cubs in front of the Twins, perhaps Minnesota would grab whichever of the two Chicago doesn’t take. That’s not an option in this mock, however, and Jacob Berry and Gavin Cross are consistently mentioned in this range on the board. Would Minnesota pass on a college player and instead take a shot on a high school bat like Jett Williams or Justin Crawford? Those are other names who could make sense here.

LESS
9
Royals
Gavin Cross
Virginia TechOF
Notes:
Total Bonus Pool: $11,668,300
Pick Slot Value: $5,200,200

We’re playing it safer with Kansas City in this spot than our previous mock, when we put Henry Bolte here. Cross has plenty of power and a bat that falls to this spot still feels more likely than dipping into the pitching pool.

LESS
10
Rockies
Jace Jung
Texas Tech2B
Notes:
Total Bonus Pool: $13,660,700
Pick Slot Value: $4,980,400

Of the players mocked inside the top 10 picks, Jung seems most likely to slide thanks to some bad looks down the stretch. Still, he seems like the exact sort of player who gets moved up a board once a full room of scouts sits down and looks over his collegiate production, which is exceptional: .328/.468 /.647, 39 home runs, 32 doubles and 126 walks (19.9 BB%) to 102 strikeouts (16.1 K%). There’s something to say for taking a safe college hitter at the top of the draft and Jung hits for average, has great on-base skills and has power—while hitting lefthanded and sticking on the infield. I suppose I am still skeptical of how far that package of skills falls and think he goes in a pretty good spot on draft day.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #93 on: July 03, 2022, 09:10:20 pm »
Would be bummed about Parada over both Johnson and Brooks Lee in this scenario.

Collier hitting higher on boards. He shined at the Draft Combine and is doing well in the Cape League, playing for Cotuit (one of my favorite baseball fields in the world).

Cam Collier, 3B, Chipola (Fla.) JC - Cotuit Kettleers (2022 Eligible): A likely top-10 pick, the 17-year-old Collier is one of the youngest players in Cape League history. Despite his youth, Collier has held his own, hitting .286/.500/.286 with six walks and five strikeouts in five games. In between the opening of the season and the end of the second week, Collier headed to San Diego for the MLB draft combine. Collier possesses innate ability to manipulate the barrel and square up pitches to a variety of locations. It’s hit over power at the moment, but his strong frame, powerful swing and loud batting practice displays portend future plus game power. He has a strong arm at third base and clean actions. He’s not rangy but moves well to both sides and should be able to handle the position long term.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #94 on: July 03, 2022, 09:12:49 pm »
Cam Collier, the No. 3 prospect on Baseball America's rankings of the top 2023 players, is reclassifying to be eligible for the 2022 draft. Collier announced the news Aug. 2 on his Instagram account.

Collier, a 16-year-old infielder who has also spent time on the mound, was the premier offensive threat in the 2023 class. He's 6-foot-2, 210 pounds with a smooth, compact swing from the left side, good bat speed and easy power. He has consistently performed at a high level in games, both in terms of getting on base and hitting for power, often while playing against older competition. He has hit well against both lefties and righties, showing a mature approach at the plate for his age, with the pitch recognition and contact skills to regularly square up both fastballs and offspeed pitches.

A Louisville commit at Mount Paran Christian High in Kennesaw, Ga., Collier is a below-average runner with good instincts at third base and a strong arm. He's the son of former big leaguer Lou Collier, who played in the majors from 1997-2004 with the Pirates, Brewers, Expos, Red Sox and Phillies.


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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #95 on: July 03, 2022, 09:30:11 pm »
Are the college hitters just not worth high picks this year?

Is the idea behind parada that he's quick to the majors? That's the reboot vs rebuild, which always struck me as pr bs. This team goes nowhere until House and this pick are ready.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #96 on: July 03, 2022, 09:39:18 pm »
I think the idea with Parada is he is quicker to the majors. Chase DeLauter getting hurt kinda sucks cus I thought he was a top 5 pick.

Im with Kev, if Johnson is on the board and they take Parada, I view that as a disappointment. I just dont think he sticks at catcher and ends up at first base.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #97 on: July 03, 2022, 09:41:35 pm »
Are the college hitters just not worth high picks this year?

Is the idea behind parada that he's quick to the majors? That's the reboot vs rebuild, which always struck me as pr bs. This team goes nowhere until House and this pick are ready.

I mean Brooks Lee and Parada are highly regarded. I think there's just some insanely talented high schoolers this year. Druw Jones and Holliday have insane tools and pedigree. And somehow Termarr might be better than both. There's a lot of (more?) hype for next year's top two college position players.

Parada does rake. I just think it's weird to draft a quick-moving bat that might not stick at Catcher when we're rebuilding. Where does he play, 1B? Does it matter if he hits bombs?

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #98 on: July 03, 2022, 09:42:37 pm »
ROCKER HYPE TRAIN GO

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Angels
Kumar Rocker
Tri-City (Frontier)RHP
Notes:
Total Bonus Pool: $7,024,300
Pick Slot Value: $4,410,200

This is an aggressive selection for the Angels, because despite Kumar Rocker showing perhaps the best pure stuff in the class—he remains a huge wild card. His medical situation (or perhaps more accurately the mystery surrounding it) could make him a better option for a team’s second pick as an overpay, but it’s hard to shake how loudly scouts have been raving about the stuff coming out of his hand. Rocker could also be the perfect pitcher to get in an organization and move rapidly up towards the majors, with the stuff to pitch in a pen and the control and repertoire to start. Florida high school lefthander Brandon Barriera is getting a lot of chatter in the middle of the first round and might fit here, as could Brock Porter or a college bat like Zach Neto or Daniel Susac. Gabriel Hughes and Jacob Miller are other names we’ve heard linked to the Angels.

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Re: 2022 first year player draft
« Reply #99 on: July 04, 2022, 02:35:28 pm »
I mean Brooks Lee and Parada are highly regarded. I think there's just some insanely talented high schoolers this year. Druw Jones and Holliday have insane tools and pedigree. And somehow Termarr might be better than both. There's a lot of (more?) hype for next year's top two college position players.

Parada does rake. I just think it's weird to draft a quick-moving bat that might not stick at Catcher when we're rebuilding. Where does he play, 1B? Does it matter if he hits bombs?

I'll ask the obvious question here. How do you justify the pick of Parada as fast moving when they have Ruiz at his first year full time.behind the dish?  Yes I know it isn't the NFL in terms of drafting and you typically take the best player regardless of position but I have a real hard time spending a top 5 pick on a guy who will need to move and is billed for being a great backstop. And I'm certainly not moving Ruiz.