Author Topic: PB69 presents "Fire Dave Martinez" (2018) (Read 56358 times)

mitlen · « **Reply #2550 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:20:02 pm »

Quote from: PowerBoater69 on August 23, 2018, 04:34:15 pm

Probably I would have started the guy who hit the walk off the night before, but that's only because I wanted the Nats to sweep the Phillies, Martinez seems to have had some other plan in mind.

Wonder what that conversation with Zim sounded like. Was it dave's idea? Did Zim acquiesce or protest about not being in the lineup (a la Werth)? Did Zim request the day off?

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #2551 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:26:01 pm »

Quote from: tzinc on August 24, 2018, 02:19:41 pm

Difo knows what kind of player he is and what he needs to do he doesn't need a man who knows virtually nothing about baseball to tell him how to play.

Wilmer has an OPS of .661 this year. About 100 points below the MLB average. I think he can use all the advice he gets. His inability to produce anything that would remotely come close to replacing Murphy and Kendrick is one of the reasons the team is at .500.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #2552 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:29:13 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on August 24, 2018, 02:20:02 pm

Wonder what that conversation with Zim sounded like. Was it dave's idea? Did Zim acquiesce or protest about not being n the lineup (a la Werth)? Did Zim request the day off?

Yea. I wonder the same thing. Everything doesn’t always come out. Gabe Kapler rested Wilson Ramos Tuesday even after an off day Monday. He said it was to give him extra rest for the hamstring. And Alfaro has good numbers against Roark. Didn’t make sense to me. Turns out Wilson had injured his finger which was apparently the real reason.

Can’t fathom why Zimm had the day off after missing so much time. We may never know.

Cinqo de Mayo · « **Reply #2553 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:36:07 pm »

Will the Nats lackluster season cost Scherzer and Soto awards?

imref · « **Reply #2554 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:37:46 pm »

Quote from: Cinqo de Mayo on August 24, 2018, 02:36:07 pm

Will the Nats lackluster season cost Scherzer and Soto awards?

Well, given Scherzer should be something like 22-2 and right now, possibly. I'd think Soto is still ROY favorite.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #2555 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:38:49 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on August 24, 2018, 02:20:02 pm

Wonder what that conversation with Zim sounded like. Was it dave's idea? Did Zim acquiesce or protest about not being in the lineup (a la Werth)? Did Zim request the day off?

Z-man is no Werth, he's not rocking the boat, he's like Stras they know that their long term health is more important than any one season.

mitlen · « **Reply #2556 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:43:53 pm »

Quote from: PowerBoater69 on August 24, 2018, 02:38:49 pm

Z-man is no Werth, he's not rocking the boat, he's like Stras they know that their long term health is more important than any one season.

Would you include Harper in that group?

tzinc · « **Reply #2557 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:48:24 pm »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on August 24, 2018, 02:26:01 pm

Wilmer has an OPS of .661 this year. About 100 points below the MLB average. I think he can use all the advice he gets. His inability to produce anything that would remotely come close to replacing Murphy and Kendrick is one of the reasons the team is at .500.

Yeah and Davey's advice will fix that

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #2558 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:51:15 pm »

Quote from: tzinc on August 24, 2018, 02:48:24 pm

Yeah and Davey's advice will fix that

Maybe not but perhaps they have concluded that his offense has sputtered this year for that reason and want him to change.

I have plenty to question on davey. This isn't really one of them. Non story. He's back next year so you need to get used to it.

Slateman · « **Reply #2559 on:** August 24, 2018, 02:51:50 pm »

Quote from: Cinqo de Mayo on August 24, 2018, 02:36:07 pm

Will the Nats lackluster season cost Scherzer and Soto awards?

Soto is costing himself an award with this slump right as Acuna is hot.

Cinqo de Mayo · « **Reply #2560 on:** August 24, 2018, 03:06:05 pm »

Quote from: imref on August 24, 2018, 02:37:46 pm

I'd think Soto is still ROY favorite.

I would think that Ronald Acuna Jr. is the favorite, especially being a major factor in the Braves' success.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #2561 on:** August 24, 2018, 03:43:18 pm »

Their slash lines are virtually identical. It will likely depend on who has the better September.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #2562 on:** August 24, 2018, 04:06:09 pm »

Quote from: mitlen on August 24, 2018, 02:43:53 pm

Would you include Harper in that group?

No, he came back with a bad knee last year.

mitlen · « **Reply #2563 on:** August 24, 2018, 04:43:02 pm »

Quote from: PowerBoater69 on August 24, 2018, 04:06:09 pm

No, he came back with a bad knee last year.

Guess I'm still in the "unsure" column.

UMDNats · « **Reply #2564 on:** August 24, 2018, 04:46:52 pm »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on August 24, 2018, 03:43:18 pm

Their slash lines are virtually identical. It will likely depend on who has the better September.

Maybe, but I suspect Acuna will get the award based on the Braves' success if it's close.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #2565 on:** August 24, 2018, 05:10:55 pm »

Quote from: UMDNats on August 24, 2018, 04:46:52 pm

Maybe, but I suspect Acuna will get the award based on the Braves' success if it's close.

We'll see. If Acuna falls off and Soto doesn't, Soto will win it. If they stay neck and neck, then yeah, the Braves success will likely be the tiebreaker.

Cinqo de Mayo · « **Reply #2566 on:** August 24, 2018, 06:52:34 pm »

Will Martinez win worst manager? He certainly made the least of the talent he was given.

He had the rep of being an analytics guy, but that did not prove out.

tzinc · « **Reply #2567 on:** August 24, 2018, 07:33:22 pm »

Just shows how clueless he is in relating to players like when he questioned the hr celebration

Air Desmond · « **Reply #2568 on:** August 24, 2018, 09:59:28 pm »

shutout back to back.

To quote Davey

“In all honesty, it was an ugly game and everybody saw it”

Replace game with season.

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #2569 on:** August 24, 2018, 10:33:48 pm »

Martinez just matched Baker's loss total from 2017 and there is a week left in August.

Air Desmond · « **Reply #2570 on:** August 24, 2018, 11:21:59 pm »

The month of September will be very telling. Can Davey keep the boys focused and upbeat while playing meaningless games? Or do they mail it in and basically quit on the season? I think it could go a long way towards deciding Davey’s future. We all know Rizzo doesn’t want to fire the guy after 1 year. He might have no choice. I’ve never seen a team underachieve like this.

‘15 was pretty ugly. We all remember the choking incident. The mutiny in the clubhouse against Matt Williams. Williams being boo’d by fans after a post game presser.

The one thing Davey has going for him is that the players seem to like him. He's a nice guy. Unfortunately, I don’t think the players respect him.

hotshot · « **Reply #2571 on:** August 25, 2018, 09:15:18 am »

Oakland and the Rays. Lerners ought to be asking some tough questions of Mr. Rizzo as to how the Nats might become as good as those two often-bottom feeding teams. Front office and manager might be a good place to start.

Slateman · « **Reply #2572 on:** August 25, 2018, 09:32:42 am »

Quote from: hotshot on August 25, 2018, 09:15:18 am

Oakland and the Rays. Lerners ought to be asking some tough questions of Mr. Rizzo as to how the Nats might become as good as those two often-bottom feeding teams. Front office and manager might be a good place to start.

Nationals record with Mike Rizzo as GM: 827-759

Oakland over the same time: 797-790
Tampa Bay over the same time: 826-762

Yea, imma stick with Rizzo taking a bottom feeding, consecutive 100 loss team and turning them into perennial division champs.

LoveAngelos · « **Reply #2573 on:** August 25, 2018, 10:41:01 am »

Yeah well next spring training he is going to have FP ride an elephant onto the field on "let's get the elephant out of the room day"

PowerBoater69 · « **Reply #2574 on:** August 25, 2018, 10:44:19 am »

Quote from: LoveAngelos on August 25, 2018, 10:41:01 am

Yeah well next spring training he is going to have FP ride an elephant onto the field on "let's get the elephant out of the room day"

What did we say about giving Martinez ideas.