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Offline UMDNats

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Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« on: September 27, 2018, 11:57:56 am »
Looking at next year, the rotation looks like this:

1. Scherzer
2. Strasburg
3. Roark

The 4 and 5 spots, fortunately, have found some new contenders in the 2nd half of this year. Fedde, Rodriguez, Ross, Voth & McGowin all have shown flashes of being decent enough starters - or at least someone we could maybe throw out there and see what happens. This situation gets even more improved if we can sign or acquire someone to bump Roark down to #4  - I do not trust him to give us quality starts every fifth day.

We've heard Corbin's name thrown out there if we don't sign Harper, but who else could we sign?

As for the bullpen, here is who we've got:

Doolittle
Miller
Suero
Grace
Holland (FA)
Glover
Gott
Cordero

There's a lot of question marks there. Assume one of the above starters would be in the 'pen as a long man. Do we bring back Holland? At what price? Who should we target?

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2018, 12:26:54 pm »
We no doubt need to add at least a middle of the rotation arm, if not another borderline ace (Corbin).  I'm fine in theory having a competition amongst Ross/Fedde/Rodriguez/Voth/McGowin,etc for the 5th spot, but when injuries strike and that guy becomes the #4 and you turn to somebody else as the #5...as we've seen this year, you can have ugly numbers from your #4 and #5 rotation slots.  I think we'll add a sure-fire starter, let those guys battle for the 5th spot with the remaining being depth, but also maybe add another cheap vet ala Helickson as further insurance.

As for the bullpen, outside of Doo as the closer, who the heck knows.  I certainly don't think we just use what already is in house to complete the bullpen.  I think we bring in a proven guy to be the set-up guy in place of what Madson was supposed to be this past season, and backup closer should Doo go down.  I expect to bring in a few other vets as well to the mix.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2018, 12:29:05 pm »
Andrew Miller's meh-ish season has me hoping his price comes down. A guy like him would be a godsend.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2018, 01:00:38 pm »
I've got problems with Gott , Codero amd Glover. The former are terrible.

What is the deal with Roark. His excused absense could mean a problem with the new born or simply the Nats wanted to see what some of the others can do and had no need for him, though DM's lineups are putting our best players forward. I would not pencil him in as a #3 and would like to see if we could obtain a real #3 with bonafides over the past two seasons. Let Roark enter the fray for the last two spots. Except for Ross none of the candidates for the last spot has shown they can go more than 5-6 innings. They best of them could be your RP's.  I would not object to making a reasonable bid for Herrera.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2018, 01:37:20 pm »
Roark is done. Get rid of him for anything. Or turn him into long relief. But he's done  and he needs to be replaced. Back to back 4+ ERA seasons. At best, he's a number 5. On a competitive team, he's the guy you call up to be the 6th or 7th starter.

You also need someone who can pitch at or near Strasburg's level. It's a lock that Strasburg will get a trip to the DL next season and the Nationals need to be prepared to overcome it. That means finding a 4-6 WAR pitcher and slotting them as the number 3.

Patrick Corbin or Dallas Kuchel are the top options. Maybe Trevor Bauer if you believe in his resurgence. Nats could also target someone for the 4 spot as a trade. This is where signing Rendon long term would give you options, as Carter Keiboom could net you a decent young pitcher that can still develop. Andrew Heaney, German Marquez, or Robbie Ray. They could also sign another pitcher, like Tyson Ross or Clay Bucholz.

The next issue is the bullpen. Sean Doolittle is the Stephen Strasburg of closers. When he's healthy, he's dominant. Problem is, he never stays healthy. So again, you need to have someone ready to step in and take over the role, and then go back to setting up when Doolittle is back. Doolittle's salary isn't as prohibitive as Strasburg's, so I'm not opposed to trading him away to another team and 6 million salary and putting it towards Craig Kimbrel.

I'm hoping that Holland getting a chance here in DC and getting the opportunity to fix his delivery will keep him in DC on a more team friendly deal. Something in the neighborhood of 4-5 million per year. We basically give him the Sean Kelley role from 2015.

After that, at least one good reliever is needed. Maybe two.

So, plan for discussion:

1. Sign Patrick Corbin or Dallas Kuchel
2. Trade Sean Doolittle and Luis Garcia to the Dodgers for Alex Wood
3. Sign Craig Kimbrel, 4 years, 72 million
4. Re-sign Greg Holland 3 years, 14 million
5. Re-sign Kelvin Herrera on a one year deal, 1 year, 5 million
6. Convert Jefry Rodriguez into a reliever
7. Sign Garrett Richards to a 1 year deal, so he can rehab from TJS and be available in the second half of the year

Rotation
Scherzer
Corbin
Strasburg
Wood
Roark/Ross/Fedde

Bullpen
Kimbrel - Closer
Herrera - Set Up
Holland
Grace
Suero
Miller
Collins
Williams/Ross/Fedde/Roark

Groom Rodriguez to pitch out of the pen and he's your first call up for injury.

As a caveat to this, I would be willing to give up an awful lot to get Corbin Burnes and Josh Hader in a trade from the Brewers. The problem is I don't think we have what they are looking for. They clearly need an front of the rotation starter. So to do it, we'd have to get some sort of three team trade going. I wonder if Doolittle, Keiboom, Fedde, and Read would be enough to get Buehler from the Dodgers and flip him to the Brewers for Hader, Burnes, and maybe a fringe prospect like Luis Ortiz

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2018, 01:46:38 pm »
A mid-rotation starter and a couple of veteran starters for minor league depth (preferably not with too early an opt-out like Jackson).  I'm totally fine with bringing back Hellickson if we need to, and I'd even think of giving him a contract with incentives and a makeable vesting option / player opt out to give him security.

As for the bullen, I would want two - three more arms, preferably one that could be a back up closer.  I'd be OK with bringing back TIMMEH! as a LOOGY.  Maybe Chad Allen becomes available or we bring back Holland so we could pair either of those guys with Doo at the end of the pen.  Maybe bring in both, then have Suero, Grace, and Glover in the middle and perhaps Jefry or Voth as long men.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2018, 02:42:52 pm »
A mid-rotation starter and a couple of veteran starters for minor league depth (preferably not with too early an opt-out like Jackson).  I'm totally fine with bringing back Hellickson if we need to, and I'd even think of giving him a contract with incentives and a makeable vesting option / player opt out to give him security.

As for the bullen, I would want two - three more arms, preferably one that could be a back up closer.  I'd be OK with bringing back TIMMEH! as a LOOGY.  Maybe Chad Allen becomes available or we bring back Holland so we could pair either of those guys with Doo at the end of the pen.  Maybe bring in both, then have Suero, Grace, and Glover in the middle and perhaps Jefry or Voth as long men.
That's not enough to compete in the NL East anymore.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2018, 02:46:41 pm »
1. SIGN JA HAPP
3 years, 66 million
2018: 16-6, 3.4 WAR, 3.57 ERA, 1.136 WHIP

JA Happ is my top priority. Yes he is 35 but we could use a veteran leader and his numbers the past 3 years dont lie. He is a winner, he is an extremely high competitor and is exactly what we need.

2. SIGN JEURYS FAMILIA
4 years, 32 million
2018- 8-6, 1.5 WAR, 3.17 ERA, 1.239 WHIP
*Dependable flamethrower. Replaces Hererra.

3- RESIGN GREG HOLLAND
2 years, 14 million
2018 w/Nats : 2-0, .89 ERA, 20.1 IP, 25 SO, .934 WHIP
*Has been lights out since we signed him. Perfect 8th inning setup man who can close in a heartbeat.

4- RESIGN JEREMY HELLICKSON
1 year, 5 million
2018: 5-3, 1.5 WAR, 3.45 ERA, 1.073 WHIP
*Nice 5th/6th starter or even a longman in the pen.

5- SIGN COLE HAMELS
2 years, 18 million
2018: 9-11, 3.3 WAR, 3.87 ERA, 1.285 WHIP
*Has a 20 million dollar club option or a 6 million dollar buyout. Another dependable lefty veteran starter..

6- TRADE TANNER ROARK, ADAM EATON AND PEDRO SEVERINO FOR JT REALMUTO

Rotation:

1- Max Scherzer
2- JA Happ
3- Stephen Strasburg
4- Cole Hamels
5- Joe Ross / Jeremy Hellickson

Bullpen:

Sean Doolittle
Greg Holland
Jeurys Familia
Mark Grace
Justin Miller
Tim Collins
Wander Suero
Koda Glover

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2018, 02:59:11 pm »
No way in hell I'm giving JA Happ 22 million a year.

Familia is the opposite of dependable

Not giving Holland 7 million a year :lmao:

Cole Hamels isn't a free agent next season

The Fish aren't giving up Realmuto for anything less than Robles. :lmao: I mean, crap, why don't we just trade that package for Mike Trout and Andrelton Simmons instead?  :rofl:

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2018, 03:43:24 pm »
Agree Marlins would laugh that trade offer for Realmuto out of the room. Fair or not, I think Eaton is viewed by potential trade partners as too fragile to any longer be a major piece in a trade. Consequently, I think he has to stay, and we cross our fingers.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2018, 04:08:26 pm »
I think the Yankees will re-sign Happ TBH.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2018, 04:16:12 pm »
Question? Is Justin Miller a FA this winter or is he just arb eligible? I never know with relievers and service time, and blah blah blah.

In any event, the offseason plan needs to be structured around getting Corbin, Grandal, and bullpen pieces. I'd love Realmuto, but the Nats can't afford to give up Robles, and that is all that is going to get it done.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2018, 04:44:59 pm »
I think I've moved on from Tanner Roark. Have the Nationals?


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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2018, 04:45:45 pm »
1. SIGN JA HAPP
3 years, 66 million
2018: 16-6, 3.4 WAR, 3.57 ERA, 1.136 WHIP

JA Happ is my top priority. Yes he is 35 but we could use a veteran leader and his numbers the past 3 years dont lie. He is a winner, he is an extremely high competitor and is exactly what we need.

2. SIGN JEURYS FAMILIA
4 years, 32 million
2018- 8-6, 1.5 WAR, 3.17 ERA, 1.239 WHIP
*Dependable flamethrower. Replaces Hererra.

3- RESIGN GREG HOLLAND
2 years, 14 million
2018 w/Nats : 2-0, .89 ERA, 20.1 IP, 25 SO, .934 WHIP
*Has been lights out since we signed him. Perfect 8th inning setup man who can close in a heartbeat.

4- RESIGN JEREMY HELLICKSON
1 year, 5 million
2018: 5-3, 1.5 WAR, 3.45 ERA, 1.073 WHIP
*Nice 5th/6th starter or even a longman in the pen.

5- SIGN COLE HAMELS
2 years, 18 million
2018: 9-11, 3.3 WAR, 3.87 ERA, 1.285 WHIP
*Has a 20 million dollar club option or a 6 million dollar buyout. Another dependable lefty veteran starter..

6- TRADE TANNER ROARK, ADAM EATON AND PEDRO SEVERINO FOR JT REALMUTO

Rotation:

1- Max Scherzer
2- JA Happ
3- Stephen Strasburg
4- Cole Hamels
5- Joe Ross / Jeremy Hellickson

Bullpen:

Sean Doolittle
Greg Holland
Jeurys Familia
Mark Grace
Justin Miller
Tim Collins
Wander Suero
Koda Glover

What in the world does a rebuiding Marlins team want with your trade offer for Realmuto? 

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2018, 04:46:23 pm »
I think I've moved on from Tanner Roark. Have the Nationals?
No he’s cheap. And Gio is not back. Hellickson may not be back either. No way they are going to replace three starters.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2018, 05:01:36 pm »
No he’s cheap. And Gio is not back. Hellickson may not be back either. No way they are going to replace three starters.

Only need to replace two: Tanner and Gio.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2018, 05:34:31 pm »
Question? Is Justin Miller a FA this winter or is he just arb eligible? I never know with relievers and service time, and blah blah blah.

In any event, the offseason plan needs to be structured around getting Corbin, Grandal, and bullpen pieces. I'd love Realmuto, but the Nats can't afford to give up Robles, and that is all that is going to get it done.


Miller might not even be arb eligible. He only had 0.2 year of service time prior to this season. 

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2018, 05:35:55 pm »
What's the report on McGowin?  Is he a legitimate major league starter next year?

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2018, 06:04:00 pm »
What's the report on McGowin?  Is he a legitimate major league starter next year?

Lol, no

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2018, 06:04:58 pm »
What's the report on McGowin?  Is he a legitimate major league starter next year?

I doubt it, but he is intriguing to me. I didn't get to see yesterday what his stuff looked like. But all we really need in 2019 and maybe 2020 is a guy who can give us 5 innings of 3-run ball consistently.

Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2018, 06:08:51 pm »
Rotation:

However they do it, they have to get a stud lefty for the #3 spot (sign Corbin, Keuchel or a trade) so that when the inevitable Stras injury happens they have a guy who can be a solid 2 and everyone else moving up 1 spot won't be an issue. As for the 4 and 5 spots, I get the negativity on Roark but a few things to keep in mind - unless they can package him in a trade to bring back a good piece in return, they have to keep him. For a starter he's cheap, you can get away with him as a #4 if the #3 is good enough (which Gio wasn't this year), and 8 of his last 11 starts this season were really good. In 15 of his starts they scored 3 runs or less, most of which were close losses in which a few more runs would have helped. He also typically pitches at least 6 innings in every start which is valuable for saving the pen especially in the 4 slot. I'm not against trading him but have to find an adequate and cheap replacement for a #4 if they do. Let the young arms battle it out for the 5 slot among some combination of Fedde, Ross, Rodriguez, Hellickson if you bring him back and possibly McGowin since he dominated in 8 starts at Syracuse this year and has looked solid here, all be it in a small sample size.

Bullpen:

Don't mind bringing back Doolittle as the closer, but given his DL history they need a stud setup guy who can be an effective closer when the inevitable happens. Also find a solid 7th inning option who can slide into a setup role if need be. Either re-sign Herrera or perhaps find a closer and slide Doo down to a setup role if need be. Fortunate thing for the Nats is if there was ever a winter to have to rebuild the pen, this is a great one to do it given the number of available options on the market.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2018, 06:19:23 pm »
my guess:

Starters:
Scherzer, Strasburg, Corbin, Ross, Roark (with Roark competing against Voth and Fedde for his spot)

Bullpen:
Doolittle (Closer), Suero (RHP), Grace (LHP), Glover (RHP), Miller (RHP), and another LHP. (Dan Jennings?)  I'd love to see us keep Hererra as either a 7th reliever, or in place of Miller.

Rodriguez seems to have relief stuff too.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2018, 06:22:31 pm »
Get Sonny Gray IMO.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2018, 06:26:50 pm »
my guess:

Starters:
Scherzer, Strasburg, Corbin, Ross, Roark (with Roark competing against Voth and Fedde for his spot)

Bullpen:
Doolittle (Closer), Suero (RHP), Grace (LHP), Glover (RHP), Miller (RHP), and another LHP. (Dan Jennings?)  I'd love to see us keep Hererra as either a 7th reliever, or in place of Miller.

Rodriguez seems to have relief stuff too.
What makes you think they can count on Ross? Still only has two pitches.

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Re: Mapping Out the 2019 Pitching Staff
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2018, 10:30:42 pm »
What makes you think they can count on Ross? Still only has two pitches.

I'm guessing he gets every chance to start, and I don't see him as any better than a #4.