Author Topic: 2018 bullpen (Read 44972 times)

Slateman · « **Reply #375 on:** June 19, 2018, 12:38:29 pm »

Quote from: tomterp on June 19, 2018, 11:00:50 am

The outfield, even sans Harper, is very promising. Robles, Soto, Eaton, Taylor, even Goodwin (as a very competent 5th outfielder) compares very well with other teams.

Seems like we could flip someone for another starter

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #376 on:** June 19, 2018, 01:35:15 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on June 19, 2018, 12:38:29 pm

Seems like we could flip someone for another starter

I see 3 solid starting talents there assuming Robles to be ready in 2019, and 2 4th OF types in MAT and Goodwin. I'm not sure what excess we'd be trading from if Harper walks. MAT/Goodwin aren't really good enough to start ideally, and neither is fetching a solid SP.

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #377 on:** June 19, 2018, 01:37:04 pm »

Quote from: bluestreak on June 19, 2018, 11:48:41 am

Soto will have more power, but Robles was also mature at the plate and will be able to hit for average. Robles is so much better in the field. And the thing that I like most about Robles is his speed. He's got blazing, game-changing speed. It really is a weapon. It's a shame really, that Soto has broken out so much. People have forgotten how good Robles actually is.

It's going to be exciting to see Robles join Soto. We need this new wave of young/controllable talent like Soto/Robles to help keep up with the young/controllable talent in Atlanta and Philly.

Slateman · « **Reply #378 on:** June 19, 2018, 01:37:12 pm »

Quote from: CoryTheFormerExposFan on June 19, 2018, 01:35:15 pm

I see 3 solid starting talents there assuming Robles to be ready in 2019, and 2 4th OF types in MAT and Goodwin. I'm not sure what excess we'd be trading from if Harper walks. MAT/Goodwin aren't really good enough to start ideally, and neither is fetching a solid SP.

Trade Robles

Soto/Taylor/Eaton, all under team control through 2020, with Goodwin and Stevenson filling in as extra outfielders.

Robles gets you Gio or Murphy's replacement.

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #379 on:** June 19, 2018, 01:39:11 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on June 19, 2018, 01:37:12 pm

Trade Robles

Soto/Taylor/Eaton, all under team control through 2020, with Goodwin and Stevenson filling in as extra outfielders.

Robles gets you Gio or Murphy's replacement.

You want to trade 6 years control of one of the top couple of prospects in all of baseball for a #3 starter? Cole and Norris weren't nearly the same haul when we originally traded for the young and in his prime Gio. Why not just SIGN a free agent, or resign Gio himself?

Slateman · « **Reply #380 on:** June 19, 2018, 01:47:40 pm »

Quote from: CoryTheFormerExposFan on June 19, 2018, 01:39:11 pm

You want to trade 6 years control of one of the top couple of prospects in all of baseball for a #3 starter? Cole and Norris weren't nearly the same haul when we originally traded for the young and in his prime Gio. Why not just SIGN a free agent, or resign Gio himself?

The free agent pitchers are pretty much crap this offseason. I want to trade for the Gio we got in 2012. Pirates sold low on Cole. I'd want a James Paxton or Luis Severino type.

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #381 on:** June 19, 2018, 01:57:18 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on June 19, 2018, 01:47:40 pm

The free agent pitchers are pretty much crap this offseason. I want to trade for the Gio we got in 2012. Pirates sold low on Cole. I'd want a James Paxton or Luis Severino type.

If you're getting a Cole/Severino, then maybe. Paxton is a beast, but I wouldn't trade Robles for him. He has yet to have a full season. What trade partner is there wanting to deal a stud starter?

Truconfidence · « **Reply #382 on:** June 19, 2018, 03:18:28 pm »

Quote from: CoryTheFormerExposFan on June 19, 2018, 01:57:18 pm

If you're getting a Cole/Severino, then maybe. Paxton is a beast, but I wouldn't trade Robles for him. He has yet to have a full season. What trade partner is there wanting to deal a stud starter?

Slate last year wanted to trade Soto for Herrera so there's that. I would hold off like you said and try for Corbin or Morton this offseason if Bryce leaves.

CoryTheFormerExposFan · « **Reply #383 on:** June 19, 2018, 03:29:44 pm »

Quote from: Truconfidence on June 19, 2018, 03:18:28 pm

Slate last year wanted to trade Soto for Herrera so there's that. I would hold off like you said and try for Corbin or Morton this offseason if Bryce leaves.

A couple years of reasonable control for a #3 pitcher isn't worth dealing a top-5 prospect in baseball. No way. Remember, Robles is supposed to be an even better prospect than Soto. If you don't want to have to replace Gio, just resign him. Easy. He's a soft tossing lefty who has been very durable. He should age well.

Expos · « **Reply #384 on:** June 24, 2018, 10:33:39 pm »

Solis is garbage.

I've lost count how many games the pen has lost for us.

imref · « **Reply #385 on:** June 24, 2018, 10:35:41 pm »

Tyson Ross is reportedly available.

imref · « **Reply #386 on:** June 24, 2018, 10:36:31 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on June 19, 2018, 01:37:12 pm

Trade Robles

Soto/Taylor/Eaton, all under team control through 2020, with Goodwin and Stevenson filling in as extra outfielders.

Robles gets you Gio or Murphy's replacement.

We have Murphy’s replacement already. He’s at Harrisburg.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #387 on:** July 08, 2018, 09:15:43 pm »

What the hell is up with Madson. He has been shaky all year.

Slateman · « **Reply #388 on:** July 08, 2018, 09:19:21 pm »

Quote from: aspenbubba on July 08, 2018, 09:15:43 pm

What the hell is up with Madson. He has been shaky all year.

Need a replacement. Go get Ottavino from Colorado

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #389 on:** July 08, 2018, 10:43:17 pm »

Quote from: aspenbubba on July 08, 2018, 09:15:43 pm

What the hell is up with Madson. He has been shaky all year.

Not really. He had the one blowup vs. the Mets in April, but other than that, until about two weeks ago, he'd been pretty solid.

ZimW1N · « **Reply #390 on:** July 09, 2018, 08:30:15 am »

Quote from: aspenbubba on July 08, 2018, 09:15:43 pm

What the hell is up with Madson. He has been shaky all year.

He's 37 and has been used heavily early in the season. I think the Nats lack of middle relievers has put too much of a burden on the back end. We need to grab a middle reliever that can go 2-3 innings to rest other guys but still pitch the 7th or 8th if needed to rest The Lawfirm. Matt Albers was that guy for us last season.

I think we should trade for Craig Stammen.

Slateman · « **Reply #391 on:** July 09, 2018, 08:39:23 am »

Quote from: ZimW1N on July 09, 2018, 08:30:15 am

He's 37 and has been used heavily early in the season. I think the Nats lack of middle relievers has put too much of a burden on the back end. We need to grab a middle reliever that can go 2-3 innings to rest other guys but still pitch the 7th or 8th if needed to rest The Lawfirm. Matt Albers was that guy for us last season.

I think we should trade for Craig Stammen.

Tyson Ross and Craig Stammen. Let's see if we can get Hand too

aspenbubba · « **Reply #392 on:** July 13, 2018, 07:25:18 am »

Herrera just doesn't impress. I'm not sure we want to re-sign him even if Madson walks.

Slateman · « **Reply #393 on:** July 13, 2018, 08:33:13 am »

Quote from: aspenbubba on July 13, 2018, 07:25:18 am

Herrera just doesn't impress. I'm not sure we want to re-sign him even if Madson walks.

I was pretty sure they werne't going to be able to afford him

Expos · « **Reply #394 on:** July 28, 2018, 11:09:55 pm »

How can so many top BP arms come in here and stink??

I just don't get it.

Jeff in Gaithersburg · « **Reply #395 on:** July 28, 2018, 11:14:36 pm »

Quote from: Expos on July 28, 2018, 11:09:55 pm

How can so many top BP arms come in here and stink??

I just don't get it.

We haven't had many "top" bullpen arms. Doo has been great. Kintzler has been fine. Madson is old.

Expos · « **Reply #396 on:** July 29, 2018, 01:00:23 am »

Quote from: Jeff in Gaithersburg on July 28, 2018, 11:14:36 pm

We haven't had many "top" bullpen arms. Doo has been great. Kintzler has been fine. Madson is old.

Jonathan Papelbon
Mark Melancon
Kelvin Hererra
Yusmerio Petit
Shawn Kelly
Joe Blanton
Rafael Soriano
Oliver Perez
Casey Janssen

It just seems we bring in these arms and they stink as soon as they get here.

varoadking · « **Reply #397 on:** July 29, 2018, 06:38:53 am »

Don't forget Brad Lidge...

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #398 on:** July 29, 2018, 07:45:50 am »

Quote from: varoadking on July 29, 2018, 06:38:53 am

Don't forget Brad Lidge...

Should have picked him up in 2008.

Slateman · « **Reply #399 on:** July 29, 2018, 07:57:32 am »

Quote from: Expos on July 29, 2018, 01:00:23 am

Jonathan Papelbon
Mark Melancon
Kelvin Hererra
Yusmerio Petit
Shawn Kelly
Joe Blanton
Rafael Soriano
Oliver Perez
Casey Janssen

It just seems we bring in these arms and they stink as soon as they get here.

Herrera and Melancon have not stunk here. No one else you mentioned should be considered a top bullpen arm