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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1675 on: July 31, 2018, 07:10:13 am »
The matter of whether harper does get moved by 16.00 this afternoon is essentially academic...in spirit he has already left the team.

With typical British stature and poise, you hit the nail on the head.

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« Reply #1676 on: July 31, 2018, 07:47:25 am »
I wonder if there's some team out there (a contender) who thinks that they see what Harper's problem is and that they can fix it.   If there is such a team, it would raise his value. Maybe from a low  to a mid-level prospect.  What if there are two teams, in which case there would be competition for him.  If he's traded today for anything of value, you can bet that's what happened.

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« Reply #1677 on: July 31, 2018, 08:17:47 am »
I wonder if there's some team out there (a contender) who thinks that they see what Harper's problem is and that they can fix it.   If there is such a team, it would raise his value. Maybe from a low  to a mid-level prospect.  What if there are two teams, in which case there would be competition for him.  If he's traded today for anything of value, you can bet that's what happened.

My guess is that Boras is heavily involved, he wants to have Harper go to a team where he'll sign before becoming a free agent

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« Reply #1678 on: July 31, 2018, 08:29:05 am »
My guess is that Boras is heavily involved, he wants to have Harper go to a team where he'll sign before becoming a free agent
Why would he want to do that? Even with his crappy year, it's till better to test free agency.  Just need two teams to bid to move the price up.  And there will be more than 2.  Teams still see the talent and the youth. 

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1679 on: July 31, 2018, 08:35:56 am »
Rosenthal suggested trading Harper for Patrick Corbin. Basically saying part of the problem is he is woefully miscast in center field.

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1680 on: July 31, 2018, 08:39:14 am »
Rosenthal suggested trading Harper for Patrick Corbin. Basically saying part of the problem is he is woefully miscast in center field.

Hmmm.  Interesting.

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1681 on: July 31, 2018, 08:40:46 am »
Malcontents being spawned by his all.or nothing approach at the plate....Maybe not all or nothing maybe he has trouble with the curve.....in any event his BA is the lowest of the MLB home run top echelon and he is gone.....I hope unless he stays for a price which won't destroy the team

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« Reply #1682 on: July 31, 2018, 08:45:12 am »
Why would he want to do that? Even with his crappy year, it's till better to test free agency.  Just need two teams to bid to move the price up.  And there will be more than 2.  Teams still see the talent and the youth. 

Free agency has already started, Boras isn't waiting until November to start talking to GMs.

Even if he doesn't sign with his new team he wants to be traded so that he can sign anywhere without the signing team being penalized.

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1683 on: July 31, 2018, 09:36:38 am »
Send this bum to the Gluefactory of Dreams - Cleveland.

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1684 on: July 31, 2018, 09:59:57 am »
Rosenthal suggested trading Harper for Patrick Corbin. Basically saying part of the problem is he is woefully miscast in center field.
*shrugs* I'm not sure how Corbin helps us next year. He's a free agent at the end of the year too.

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« Reply #1685 on: July 31, 2018, 10:17:20 am »
*shrugs* I'm not sure how Corbin helps us next year. He's a free agent at the end of the year too.

His idea was that it would allow the Nats to compete this year.

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« Reply #1686 on: July 31, 2018, 10:24:51 am »
Why would he want to do that? Even with his crappy year, it's till better to test free agency.  Just need two teams to bid to move the price up.  And there will be more than 2.  Teams still see the talent and the youth. 

why would the nats give a crap is the real question

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« Reply #1687 on: July 31, 2018, 11:11:21 am »
I realize I'm going to take a lot of shots on this board for saying this but I hope Harper stays here and signs a long-term contract. His down year just might help keep his price down. And with all the contract stuff behind him, I think he's going to break out and have a great career with the Nats. He's just way too talented. Maybe it won't be the HOF career that was hyped (I never believed that crap anyway) but a great career nonetheless.

There's a lot of bullcrap being thrown around him being a poisonous effect on the team after his stupid comment on Saturday. It's pure speculation and a complete over reaction. Nobody really knows what's going on this clubhouse.

It's easy to kick a player or an organization when they are down but if Harper turns it around this year and the Nats make a race out of it, the fair weather fans will be the first one to lap it all up. And if not this year, if they sign Harper at a reasonable price and go forward I think the Nats are competitive for years to come. But if they FA market drives his price out of reach so be it. They still have a good young core and will have some money to get some FA (hopefully some starting pitching!)

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1688 on: July 31, 2018, 11:13:52 am »
why would the nats give a crap is the real question

Because they also see the talent and the youth.

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« Reply #1689 on: July 31, 2018, 11:17:00 am »
I realize I'm going to take a lot of shots on this board for saying this but I hope Harper stays here and signs a long-term contract. His down year just might help keep his price down. And with all the contract stuff behind him, I think he's going to break out and have a great career with the Nats. He's just way too talented. Maybe it won't be the HOF career that was hyped (I never believed that crap anyway) but a great career nonetheless.

There's a lot bullcrap being thrown around him being a poisonous effect on the team after his stupid comment on Saturday. It's pure speculation. Nobody really knows what's going on this clubhouse.

It's easy to kick a player or an organization when they are down but if Harper turns it around this year and the Nats make a race out of it, the fair weather fans will be the first one to lap it all up. And if not this year, if they sign Harper at a reasonable price and go forward I think the Nats are competitive for years to come. But if they FA market drives his price out of reach so be it.

OK, take a number of you want to take a shot at me.

Hell yeah. Agreed!

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« Reply #1690 on: July 31, 2018, 11:17:38 am »
I realize I'm going to take a lot of shots on this board for saying this but I hope Harper stays here and signs a long-term contract. His down year just might help keep his price down. And with all the contract stuff behind him, I think he's going to break out and have a great career with the Nats. He's just way too talented. Maybe it won't be the HOF career that was hyped (I never believed that crap anyway) but a great career nonetheless.

There's a lot bullcrap being thrown around him being a poisonous effect on the team after his stupid comment on Saturday. It's pure speculation. Nobody really knows what's going on this clubhouse.

It's easy to kick a player or an organization when they are down but if Harper turns it around this year and the Nats make a race out of it, the fair weather fans will be the first one to lap it all up. And if not this year, if they sign Harper at a reasonable price and go forward I think the Nats are competitive for years to come. But if they FA market drives his price out of reach so be it.

OK, take a number of you want to take a shot at me.
I'm with you on this.  Although my feelings are complicated by Eaton and Harper not being a good long term fit in the outfield.   

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1691 on: July 31, 2018, 11:18:18 am »
Hell yeah. Agreed!

Are you sure? It sounded like to me you were wavering.

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« Reply #1692 on: July 31, 2018, 11:19:33 am »
I'm with you on this.  Although my feelings are complicated by Eaton and Harper not being a good long term fit in the outfield.   

Assuming all are healthy, Eaton to left, Harper to right, Robles in CF, Soto to 1B. Problem solved.

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« Reply #1693 on: July 31, 2018, 11:19:38 am »
Are you sure? It sounded like to me you were wavering.

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« Reply #1694 on: July 31, 2018, 11:25:08 am »
I realize I'm going to take a lot of shots on this board for saying this but I hope Harper stays here and signs a long-term contract. His down year just might help keep his price down. And with all the contract stuff behind him, I think he's going to break out and have a great career with the Nats. He's just way too talented. Maybe it won't be the HOF career that was hyped (I never believed that crap anyway) but a great career nonetheless.

There's a lot of bullcrap being thrown around him being a poisonous effect on the team after his stupid comment on Saturday. It's pure speculation and a complete over reaction. Nobody really knows what's going on this clubhouse.

It's easy to kick a player or an organization when they are down but if Harper turns it around this year and the Nats make a race out of it, the fair weather fans will be the first one to lap it all up. And if not this year, if they sign Harper at a reasonable price and go forward I think the Nats are competitive for years to come. But if they FA market drives his price out of reach so be it. They still have a good young core and will have some money to get some FA (hopefully some starting pitching!)

OK, take a number of you want to take a shot at me.

I'm with ya BiL :thumbs:

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1695 on: July 31, 2018, 11:27:01 am »
Gonna need to trade MAT then. He's not a good fourth outfielder. He's much better when he plays regularly.

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1696 on: July 31, 2018, 11:30:18 am »
I hope Bryce comes out today  and hits four home runs and we win 8 in a row and make a run. If we're not selling, I hope the team wakes the hell up and plays up to their ability. My interest in trading Bryce 100% comes from the idea that this season is lost anyways and this core of a team is fractured.

But when he's classic Bryce and high-energy and hitting to a 1.000 OPS, he's awesome to root for there's that guy in there still.

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« Reply #1697 on: July 31, 2018, 11:31:21 am »
Assuming all are healthy, Eaton to left, Harper to right, Robles in CF, Soto to 1B. Problem solved.
This team needs some kind of shake up to get everyone in their right spots.  What do we do with Zimmerman?  I also always thought Murphy would look good as our first baseman for the next couple years, and don't want him any where near 2nd base next year.  So we need to figure out the 2nd base man and a catcher.

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1698 on: July 31, 2018, 11:32:00 am »


There's a lot of bullcrap being thrown around him being a poisonous effect on the team after his stupid comment on Saturday. It's pure speculation and a complete over reaction. Nobody really knows what's going on this clubhouse.

"poisonous effect" is speculation, but "over reaction" (to his comment) ?  Uh uh.  It's the second time he's thrown a teammate under the bus.  Recall "I should be playing centerfield" when Span was the centerfielder, and now, "we'd be winning if we had a decent catcher" (paraphrasing of course, but it's what he said in essence). 

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Re: Bryce Harper 2018 and beyond
« Reply #1699 on: July 31, 2018, 11:36:45 am »
I realize I'm going to take a lot of shots on this board for saying this but I hope Harper stays here and signs a long-term contract. His down year just might help keep his price down. And with all the contract stuff behind him, I think he's going to break out and have a great career with the Nats. He's just way too talented. Maybe it won't be the HOF career that was hyped (I never believed that crap anyway) but a great career nonetheless.

There's a lot of bullcrap being thrown around him being a poisonous effect on the team after his stupid comment on Saturday. It's pure speculation and a complete over reaction. Nobody really knows what's going on this clubhouse.

It's easy to kick a player or an organization when they are down but if Harper turns it around this year and the Nats make a race out of it, the fair weather fans will be the first one to lap it all up. And if not this year, if they sign Harper at a reasonable price and go forward I think the Nats are competitive for years to come. But if they FA market drives his price out of reach so be it. They still have a good young core and will have some money to get some FA (hopefully some starting pitching!)

OK, take a number of you want to take a shot at me.

Jeff Passan is well sourced and a good reporter he said he had 4(!) sources. And Chelsea Janes intimated about clubhouse dysfunction based on special treatment of Harper in an article she wrote this weekend. I believe Chelsea Janes knows what's going on in the clubhouse, probably more than anyone on the planet not employed by the Nationals. It didn't start with the Realmuto comment, but it was a well timed and apt example of probably what is going on. Harper does what he wants and has very little consequence for it.

I have been as sun-shiny as anyone here. But the Realmuto comment really did it for me. If Bryce wants the Nats to commit significant assets to get Realmuto, all he has to do is sign with the Nats long term and then Robles becomes more expendable (although I don't fully believe this, because Harper shouldn't be playing CF).
He has had a subpar season, it would make total sense for him to sign an extension with some opt outs. Good for him, good for the Nats. But either he or his agent have decided that isn't the best course of action. That's his choice. But don't expect long term commitments from the team when you are unwilling to make them yourself. And don't throw your teammates under the bus when you are one of the main reasons for the team's underperformance.

I wouldnt mind if Harper stayed, but given what they have in the outfield and what they need in the battery and infield, you have to consider that letting Harper walk might be best for the team. Sinking hundreds of millions in the outfield when you have 3 talented, cheap options with 15 years of control among them might not be the smartest course of action.