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« Reply #677 on: November 19, 2017, 10:43:34 pm »
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Re: NFL Thread (2017-18)
« Reply #678 on: November 20, 2017, 12:41:41 am »
:wtf:

I legit feel bad for Cleveland.

If this season isn't proof of the Lake Erie NFL curse, then I don't know what would be.

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« Reply #679 on: November 20, 2017, 07:51:46 am »
good old NFL, on the one hand psychotically, if ineptly, image conscious when they perceive an issue, on the other hand, the let this get released

https://deadspin.com/nbc-airs-a-bizarre-nfl-promo-featuring-lawrence-taylor-1820595668

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« Reply #680 on: November 20, 2017, 10:43:34 am »
good old NFL, on the one hand psychotically, if ineptly, image conscious when they perceive an issue, on the other hand, the let this get released

https://deadspin.com/nbc-airs-a-bizarre-nfl-promo-featuring-lawrence-taylor-1820595668

Roger should get a 6 game suspension for that...

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« Reply #681 on: November 20, 2017, 10:46:33 am »
Roger should get a 6 game suspension for that...

Instead he'll get 50 million dollars, a private jet and healthcare for life for running the NFL into the ground :smh:

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« Reply #682 on: November 20, 2017, 11:04:17 am »
Instead he'll get 50 million dollars, a private jet and healthcare for life for running the NFL into the ground :smh:

roger got enough groups to hate the NFL that he should be seen as a unifier-

conservatives hate the league for it's stance on kneeling for the anthem
pro-labor hates the league for it's arbitrary treatment of players
people who like watching football get treated to a barrage of flags when someone sneezes on a quarterback
but if you believe in player safety, the league still isn't doing enough
the chargers botched their move to LA giving fans in the second largest media market (who used to be able to watch the premier games in both time slots, the Rams and Charges)
Oakland is losing the raiders because Vegas like hosing tourists and their voters somehow don't think tax revenue is fungible

I can't think of anyone else who managed to bring such diverse groups of people together

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« Reply #683 on: November 20, 2017, 11:15:40 am »
I put this in the "deaths" thread but man, Terry Glenn died :(  always hear Parcells calling him "she" whenever I hear his name, he caught Tom's first  NFL TD  :'( 

https://deadspin.com/reports-terry-glenn-killed-in-car-accident-1820606389

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« Reply #684 on: November 20, 2017, 11:44:37 am »
I put this in the "deaths" thread but man, Terry Glenn died :(  always hear Parcells calling him "she" whenever I hear his name, he caught Tom's first  NFL TD  :'( 

https://deadspin.com/reports-terry-glenn-killed-in-car-accident-1820606389

I thought he called Keyshawn Johnson "she."

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« Reply #685 on: November 20, 2017, 11:55:48 am »
I thought he called Keyshawn Johnson "she."

He may have called him that too but I'm pretty sure Glenn was the first. 

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« Reply #686 on: November 20, 2017, 12:14:13 pm »
Glenn is the reason Parcells left for the Jets.  Parcells wanted to draft Vonnie Holliday, a DL, with that pick, but the personnel guy with the Pats (I forget his name) wanted Glenn, and Kraft backed the personnel guy and overruled Parcells. At the time, Kraft did not want to have a subordinate with control over all aspects of the football operation and believed in dividing things up and specialization.  Parcells, who was hired by the previous owner, wanted total control and said something like "how can I be the chef if you don't let me shop for the groceries?" Parcells thought Glenn was soft, and thus "she." 

Parcells started looking, and the Jets were more than happy to oblige.  To replace Parcells, the Krafts first thought of Belichik.  He was on the Pats staff and got along well with the Krafts, but he was only 1 years removed from Cleveland, wasn't quite ready to coach, didn't like the split control, and felt loyalty to Parcells at the time, so the Krafts turned to Pete Carroll.  Carroll was in no position to insist on total control at the time because he had bombed as the Jets coach in his first NFL gig.  The Carroll experience, where the personnel guy kept taking players that didn't fit his system, led both Kraft and Carroll to realize that the coach needed the last call on the GM aspects of the team, which is the way both went after Carroll and the GM/Personnel side were all fired.  About the only guy that was kept on was Scarnecchia.

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« Reply #687 on: November 20, 2017, 12:17:06 pm »
Glenn is the reason Parcells left for the Jets.  Parcells wanted to draft Vonnie Holliday, a DL, with that pick, but the personnel guy with the Pats (I forget his name) wanted Glenn, and Kraft backed the personnel guy and overruled Parcells. At the time, Kraft did not want to have a subordinate with control over all aspects of the football operation and believed in dividing things up and specialization.  Parcells, who was hired by the previous owner, wanted total control and said something like "how can I be the chef if you don't let me shop for the groceries?" Parcells thought Glenn was soft, and thus "she." 

Parcells started looking, and the Jets were more than happy to oblige.  To replace Parcells, the Krafts first thought of Belichik.  He was on the Pats staff and got along well with the Krafts, but he was only 1 years removed from Cleveland, wasn't quite ready to coach, didn't like the split control, and felt loyalty to Parcells at the time, so the Krafts turned to Pete Carroll.  Carroll was in no position to insist on total control at the time because he had bombed as the Jets coach in his first NFL gig.  The Carroll experience, where the personnel guy kept taking players that didn't fit his system, led both Kraft and Carroll to realize that the coach needed the last call on the GM aspects of the team, which is the way both went after Carroll and the GM/Personnel side were all fired.  About the only guy that was kept on was Scarnecchia.

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« Reply #688 on: November 20, 2017, 02:20:46 pm »
and thank God for Dante :worship:
I don't know if a guy who made his rep as an assistant coach could make the Hall of Fame, but I'd think Dick LeBeau and Scarnecchia would be great candidates.  Buddy Ryan, too, but he did not have the years Scar and LeBeau had.  Coryell would be another, I think (yes, like Ryan, he was an HC, but it is his assistant coaching career that made his rep). Scarnecchia I think was a position coach or coordinator on all 9 Patriot Super Bowl teams. 

Edit - 8 of 9. He was not coaching in the Seattle super bowl.  I think he was on Ron Meyer's staff in the Bears Super Bowl, which makes it 8 of 9.

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« Reply #689 on: November 20, 2017, 02:29:17 pm »
I don't know if a guy who made his rep as an assistant coach could make the Hall of Fame, but I'd think Dick LeBeau and Scarnecchia would be great candidates.  Buddy Ryan, too, but he did not have the years Scar and LeBeau had.  Coryell would be another, I think (yes, like Ryan, he was an HC, but it is his assistant coaching career that made his rep). Scarnecchia I think was a position coach or coordinator on all 9 Patriot Super Bowl teams. 

and just what he does with that oline no matter who goes out I mean, it's amazing.  What was he retired for, like 1/2 a year and they had to beg him to come back?  He's an oline  genius.

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« Reply #690 on: November 20, 2017, 03:32:13 pm »
I think he took 2 year off.  The first one was the Seattle year, the second was the one when we lost the AFC to Denver on Manning's way out the door. 

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« Reply #691 on: November 20, 2017, 03:35:03 pm »
I think he took 2 year off.  The first one was the Seattle year, the second was the one when we lost the AFC to Denver on Manning's way out the door. 
ah ok, I didn't realize they let him stay retired that long :lol:

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Re: NFL Thread (2017-18)
« Reply #692 on: November 20, 2017, 03:37:25 pm »
Wade Phillips ought to be in the discussion of HoF assistant coaches, as well.

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« Reply #693 on: November 20, 2017, 03:45:47 pm »
To me, Phillips is closer to Buddy Ryan.  I guess LeBeau had a chance as an HC in Detroit at one point, but he seems closer to a career assistant coach.  Scar I think was an interim HC after Dick McPherson or Rod Rust, I think, but never signed as an HC for a season.

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« Reply #694 on: November 20, 2017, 04:16:53 pm »
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« Reply #695 on: November 20, 2017, 04:30:29 pm »
This reminds me of the closers in the BBHOF argument. Should closers be in the BBHOF, knowing they really were closers because they couldn't hack it as SP? Should Asst Coaches in the NFL make the PFHOF, knowing they really were Assts because they couldn't hack it as HC?

I think yes, but I understand how "small hall" types disagree.

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« Reply #696 on: November 20, 2017, 04:34:38 pm »
This reminds me of the closers in the BBHOF argument. Should closers be in the BBHOF, knowing they really were closers because they couldn't hack it as SP? Should Asst Coaches in the NFL make the PFHOF, knowing they really were Assts because they couldn't hack it as HC?

I think yes, but I understand how "small hall" types disagree.

I think yes in both cases, but the bar should be much higher, same with kickers and punters. I think maybe a couple in each category belong in the hall, but that's about it.

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Re: NFL Thread (2017-18)
« Reply #697 on: November 20, 2017, 04:57:51 pm »
To me, Phillips is closer to Buddy Ryan.

Except Wade is pretty much universally admired wherever he's gone and Buddy Ryan was a team cancer.

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« Reply #698 on: November 20, 2017, 06:07:15 pm »
Except Wade is pretty much universally admired wherever he's gone and Buddy Ryan was a team cancer.

Buddy's players loved him...

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« Reply #699 on: November 20, 2017, 09:48:44 pm »
Buddy's players loved him...
I loved Buddy too. Almost as much as he loved himself.  The defensive guys in Philly loved him; not so much the O.  Lots of people thought that's why they could not win in the playoffs--too much us against them in the locker room.  He was lots of fun to follow though.

Buddy and Wade were both playoff failures as head coaches.