Fire Dusty Baker!

[tzinc]

You do realize that the Solis/Perez moves he made in the game before worked perfectly to the Nats advantage. It's not like it was untested in the current post season. 

The Dusty haters just want to hate him even if his moves make sense. Even if he loses a 2-1 game on a bloop. Like Dusty somehow is responsible cause the hitters are slumping right now lol. You would have thought he lost that game by 20 runs for the hate being spewed Dusty's way. They criticize him from overusing the BP when he doesn't do that and saves the BP they criticize him for that.  Dusty can never do anything right. If they win Dusty never gets credit this team is loaded with talent they say.

It is ridiculous Maddon is seen as a genius he changed his lineup AFTER a win he pitched a RIGHTY vs a LEFTY both moves saw his team lose. Yet Maddon is a genius still and Dusty is dumb imagine if Dusty had done those moves he'd be skewered. 

This is what haters and many fans in general don't get: moves don't guarantee results yes that's right you can make every genius correct move ever but once they are made there is no guarantee of a result - so what's the point of the move? Well it just gives you a chance at a result that's all. But fan's judgement is only based on the result lol which is ironic.

[GhostofNickJohnson]

You do realize that the Solis/Perez moves he made in the game before worked perfectly to the Nats advantage. It's not like it was untested in the current post season. 


That being said, I would have gone Kintzler, Madson, Doolittle myself - they got us there, let's see what they can do

You're familiar with the whole blind squirrel thingy...right? 

[wpa2629]

You're familiar with the whole blind squirrel thingy...right? 

Come on, that's ridiculous -

[GhostofNickJohnson]

The Dusty haters just want to hate him even if his moves make sense. Even if he loses a 2-1 game on a bloop. Like Dusty somehow is responsible cause the hitters are slumping right now lol. You would have thought he lost that game by 20 runs for the hate being spewed Dusty's way. They criticize him from overusing the BP when he doesn't do that and saves the BP they criticize him for that.  Dusty can never do anything right. If they win Dusty never gets credit this team is loaded with talent they say.

It is ridiculous Maddon is seen as a genius he changed his lineup AFTER a win he pitched a RIGHTY vs a LEFTY both moves saw his team lose. Yet Maddon is a genius still and Dusty is dumb imagine if Dusty had done those moves he'd be skewered. 

This is what haters and many fans in general don't get: moves don't guarantee results yes that's right you can make every genius correct move ever but once they are made there is no guarantee of a result - so what's the point of the move? Well it just gives you a chance at a result that's all. But fan's judgement is only based on the result lol which is ironic.

well, in my case the Dusty "hate" comes from his long track record of similar moves.  He came up short in SF, Cincinnati and Chicago.  At some point a pattern starts to develop.  No different than Buck up the road.

[GhostofNickJohnson]

Come on, that's ridiculous -

If it makes you feel better to believe that then by all means feel free to.  Do yourself a favor though- look at Rizzo's numbers against Perez and tell me that you were okay with that matchup.

[wpa2629]

The Dusty haters just want to hate him even if his moves make sense. Even if he loses a 2-1 game on a bloop. Like Dusty somehow is responsible cause the hitters are slumping right now lol. You would have thought he lost that game by 20 runs for the hate being spewed Dusty's way. They criticize him from overusing the BP when he doesn't do that and saves the BP they criticize him for that.  Dusty can never do anything right. If they win Dusty never gets credit this team is loaded with talent they say.

It is ridiculous Maddon is seen as a genius he changed his lineup AFTER a win he pitched a RIGHTY vs a LEFTY both moves saw his team lose. Yet Maddon is a genius still and Dusty is dumb imagine if Dusty had done those moves he'd be skewered. 

This is what haters and many fans in general don't get: moves don't guarantee results yes that's right you can make every genius correct move ever but once they are made there is no guarantee of a result - so what's the point of the move? Well it just gives you a chance at a result that's all. But fan's judgement is only based on the result lol which is ironic.

I think it's fair game to question a manager's in game decisions - that's his job, managing in game decisions. Second guessing comes with the territory. It's natural to get blow back when a move you make doesn't work out.

Doesn't mean you should fire the guy - but it does mean you get second guessed

[wpa2629]

If it makes you feel better to believe that then by all means feel free to.  Do yourself a favor though- look at Rizzo's numbers against Perez and tell me that you were okay with that matchup.

Seriously? It was good pitch, he hit a bloop pop up that should have been caught.

You should do yourself a favor and not look at everything so black and white


I was ok with Perez in that spot, it was a tie game, who knows how many pitchers you'll need.  But I would have brought in Kinztler an inning earlier instead of Solis

[Natsinpwc]

Not a Dusty hater but some of the moves had me scratching my head. Like having Max start the inning and then pulling him. Or pitching to Rizzo. Could have been walked intentionally.  Not starting Lind or Kendrick now for four games when they are clearly better hitters than Werth. Not having Robles in LF for defense.

It's mostly on the hitters but his managing has not been good. It makes me also wonder about Chris Speier. If they keep Dusty they need a new bench coach.

[mmzznnxx]

I can't wait for the winter drama on here after we get bounced today.

[GhostofNickJohnson]

Well it just gives you a chance at a result that's all. But fan's judgement is only based on the result lol which is ironic.

Where you go wrong here is when you play a "hunch" over probability, statistics and history.  Rizzo wears Perez out like a cheap suit...but in a lock down situation Dusty goes to Perez instead of Doolittle?  I'm sure if you asked, Dusty would give you an old-school type response like thinking that Perez was "due" or something else equally pointless.

 

[Ray D]

  No different than Buck up the road.

Not to weigh in on Dusty here but Buck up the road is hardly a valid comparison.  He's built a winner everywhere he's been: New York, Arizona, Texas -- he just wears out his welcome before they actually win and someone else gets the credit - Torre in New York, that moron in Texas (can't remember his name) and some un-named manager in Arizona.  Probably will happen in Baltimore too.

[bluestreak]

I honestly believe that there is an not insignificant minority of folks here that I think might actually hope the Nats lose. Or at least be ok with it....

[wpa2629]

Where you go wrong here is when you play a "hunch" over probability, statistics and history.  Rizzo wears Perez out like a cheap suit...but in a lock down situation Dusty goes to Perez instead of Doolittle?  I'm sure if you asked, Dusty would give you an old-school type response like thinking that Perez was "due" or something else equally pointless.

 

Doolittle is basically a 1 pitch guy though, and has he started in the middle of an inning with a guy on base for us at all this year?

I would have brought in Madson instead of Perez

point is moot - Perez did his job - that bloop hit has to be caught

What we need are stinking HITS

sigh ...

[GhostofNickJohnson]

Seriously? It was good pitch, he hit a bloop pop up that should have been caught.

You should do yourself a favor and not look at everything so black and white


I was ok with Perez in that spot, it was a tie game, who knows how many pitchers you'll need.  But I would have brought in Kinztler an inning earlier instead of Solis

I'm results driven...and the bottom line is simply this- by pitching Perez in that spot you diminish your chances of success.  Hey, for all we know Rizzo might have taken Doolittle out on to Waveland...but what were the better odds?  Past performance says we should all be surprised he didn't take Perez out.  Yeah, it was a great pitch...but Rizzo is comfortable against Perez based on the numbers.  Would he have had the same comfort level against Doolittle?  Facing Perez- who's history against him suggests that he might as well walk up to the plate and put the ball on a tee- Rizzo is more comfortable hanging in and gets enough of the bat on that pitch to drop it in to the outfield.  Anybody that has played the game at a competitive level will tell you that there is a significant psychological factor at play here as well.

[GhostofNickJohnson]

Doolittle is basically a 1 pitch guy though, and has he started in the middle of an inning with a guy on base for us at all this year?

I would have brought in Madson instead of Perez

point is moot - Perez did his job - that bloop hit has to be caught

What we need are stinking HITS

sigh ...

agreed

[wpa2629]

I'm results driven...and the bottom line is simply this- by pitching Perez in that spot you diminish your chances of success.  Hey, for all we know Rizzo might have taken Doolittle out on to Waveland...but what were the better odds?  Past performance says we should all be surprised he didn't take Perez out.  Yeah, it was a great pitch...but Rizzo is comfortable against Perez based on the numbers.  Would he have had the same comfort level against Doolittle?  Facing Perez- who's history against him suggests that he might as well walk up to the plate and put the ball on a tee- Rizzo is more comfortable hanging in and gets enough of the bat on that pitch to drop it in to the outfield.  Anybody that has played the game at a competitive level will tell you that there is a significant psychological factor at play here as well.

First of all Rizzo is an arrogant ass - who screams "respect me" on a pop up that should have been caught?  douchebag   

As it is, Perez pitches to light contact, that's what he got. What happens if Doolittle grooves a fastball to Rizzo that he launches over the wall? We'd be screaming bloody murder. Never mind the fact that we would have burned our closer in a tie game on the road in the 8th inning.

Look, I'm not "defending" the Perez move, I'm simply saying I don't find it indefensible.  I would have brought in Madson. His stuff is NASTY! He's all about missing bats, which is what you want there.

[bluestreak]

well, in my case the Dusty "hate" comes from his long track record of similar moves.  He came up short in SF, Cincinnati and Chicago.  At some point a pattern starts to develop.  No different than Buck up the road.

I hate the fact that I have become a Dusty apologist. When he was hired I was disappointed, thought he was a retread and wasn’t someone you hired if you want to win.

But I’ve become one relative for the people on this board is because of the vitriolic hate on here that is frankly, somewhat irrational. And I’m not talking about thinking he makes bad decisions. He definitely does sometimes. But the hate seems so visceral sometimes it just rubs me the wrong way. I guess I don’t understand it fully and he hasn’t been here long enough for Nats fans to hate him so much.

In any case in every place he’s been, he’s made the team significantly better and the teams get demonstrably worse after he leaves. The giants didn’t win until 8 years after he left. The Cubs didn’t win until 10 years after he left. The Reds haven’t won since

Dusty is friendly enough, good with the media, players love him and he navigated this team to 97 wins. Despite a rash of injuries and an awful bullpen for half the year. That sort of thing has killed other teams. Winning wasn’t a given. Look at the Giants.

Every manager makes mistakes. Most fan bases think their manager is a bum. But i truly don’t understand the level of hatred by some.

[wpa2629]

I hate the fact that I have become a Dusty apologist. When he was hired I was disappointed, thought he was a retread and wasn’t someone you hired if you want to win.

But I’ve become one relative for the people on this board is because of the vitriolic hate on here that is frankly, somewhat irrational. And I’m not talking about thinking he makes bad decisions. He definitely does sometimes. But the hate seems so visceral sometimes it just rubs me the wrong way. I guess I don’t understand it fully and he hasn’t been here long enough for Nats fans to hate him so much.

In any case in every place he’s been, he’s made the team significantly better and the teams get demonstrably worse after he leaves. The giants didn’t win until 8 years after he left. The Cubs didn’t win until 10 years after he left. The Reds haven’t won since

Dusty is friendly enough, good with the media, players love him and he navigated this team to 97 wins. Despite a rash of injuries and an awful bullpen for half the year. That sort of thing has killed other teams. Winning wasn’t a given. Look at the Giants.

Every manager makes mistakes. Most fan bases think their manager is a bum. But i truly don’t understand the level of hatred by some.

Meh, I wouldn't worry about it so much. It  may seem over the top at times, but for the most part, people are just fans and they use this forum to vent. We've had a lot of frustrations and disappointments for a long long time. And it feels so fricking good when they win a big game. We want more of that.

But in the end, it's just baseball

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

He pitched with icy hot.

Sorry, but I'm tired of players who are too hurt to give the performance the team needs and not telling anyone. Gio or Roark is better than Strasburg with a bug.

Great players in big moments can certainly play better sick/hurt than average players.  Should MJ have told Phil Jackson to play Steve Kerr instead when he had the flu in Utah?  Come on.  I'll take Strasburg with a slight cough over Roark all day every day. 

[Slateman]

Great players in big moments can certainly play better sick/hurt than average players.  Should MJ have told Phil Jackson to play Steve Kerr instead when he had the flu in Utah?  Come on.  I'll take Strasburg with a slight cough over Roark all day every day. 

The thing that makes Michael Jordan amazing is that he did that.

Strasburg has a history of small issues throwing him off. And from all reports, this wasn't a small cough.

[RobDibblesGhost]

Not a Dusty hater but some of the moves had me scratching my head. Like having Max start the inning and then pulling him. Or pitching to Rizzo. Could have been walked intentionally.  Not starting Lind or Kendrick now for four games when they are clearly better hitters than Werth. Not having Robles in LF for defense.

Just like Pete Kozma...

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

The Dusty haters just want to hate him even if his moves make sense. Even if he loses a 2-1 game on a bloop. Like Dusty somehow is responsible cause the hitters are slumping right now lol. You would have thought he lost that game by 20 runs for the hate being spewed Dusty's way. They criticize him from overusing the BP when he doesn't do that and saves the BP they criticize him for that.  Dusty can never do anything right. If they win Dusty never gets credit this team is loaded with talent they say.

It is ridiculous Maddon is seen as a genius he changed his lineup AFTER a win he pitched a RIGHTY vs a LEFTY both moves saw his team lose. Yet Maddon is a genius still and Dusty is dumb imagine if Dusty had done those moves he'd be skewered. 

This is what haters and many fans in general don't get: moves don't guarantee results yes that's right you can make every genius correct move ever but once they are made there is no guarantee of a result - so what's the point of the move? Well it just gives you a chance at a result that's all. But fan's judgement is only based on the result lol which is ironic.

You nailed it!  Well said!

[CoryTheFormerExposFan]

The thing that makes Michael Jordan amazing is that he did that.

Strasburg has a history of small issues throwing him off. And from all reports, this wasn't a small cough.

And he told the team he had been sick, exactly like you requested be done.  Now apparently he feels better.  Where is the problem? 

[dshawg77]

People that are blaming Dusty for all this nonsense just hate Dusty. Nonsense.

[skippy1999]

People that are blaming Dusty for all this nonsense just hate Dusty. Nonsense.

Agreed completely.