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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #475 on: April 07, 2015, 09:11:30 am »
Why is it that this kid and a few of the pitchers are the only ones to show up in big moments? Harper looked like he's been billed yesterday.

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« Reply #476 on: April 07, 2015, 07:24:49 pm »
Well Harper isn't really affected by pressure. He's been under the spotlight since he was, what, 15? Can't say the same for the rest of the team. They all seem to wilt in big moments.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #477 on: April 07, 2015, 08:05:35 pm »
Why is it that this kid and a few of the pitchers are the only ones to show up in big moments? Harper looked like he's been billed yesterday.

Didnt show up in the first inning

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #478 on: April 08, 2015, 09:29:58 am »
Really? That's your critique? I hope that's sarcasm.

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« Reply #479 on: April 08, 2015, 09:35:06 am »
Well Harper isn't really affected by pressure. He's been under the spotlight since he was, what, 15? Can't say the same for the rest of the team. They all seem to wilt in big moments.

They really do. Zimmerman used to be clutch, but not so much the last few years. Too bad Harper wasn't on this club back when Zimmerman was more in his prime. I just hope Harper doesn't fade as quickly as Zimmerman has.

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« Reply #480 on: April 08, 2015, 09:38:10 am »
I don't think Zimm has played enough in the last few years to show up in key moments. Maybe this year he regains his form.
They really do. Zimmerman used to be clutch, but not so much the last few years. Too bad Harper wasn't on this club back when Zimmerman was more in his prime. I just hope Harper doesn't fade as quickly as Zimmerman has.

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« Reply #481 on: April 08, 2015, 09:50:05 am »
Hasn't the concept of clutch hitting been proven to be a mirage and is really just people wanting to see patterns that aren't really there or based on small sample sizes?

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« Reply #482 on: April 08, 2015, 10:14:10 am »
Hasn't the concept of clutch hitting been proven to be a mirage and is really just people wanting to see patterns that aren't really there or based on small sample sizes?

I think the best way to think about it is that clutch hitting exists, but it's hard to predict someone will be clutch in the future based on clutchness in the past, or vice versa.

Never listen to anyone misusing stats or sabermetrics to discount things that have ACTUALLY HAPPENED. If someone drove in 140 runs because he drove in an abnormally large percentage of runners on base that season, that meant he contributed a ton of runs he wasn't "supposed" to and was therefore more valuable to his team. Same with a pitcher with a much lower ERA than FIP, if he got himself out of a ton of jams that season.

It doesn't mean either the hitter or the pitcher is more likely to repeat that feat in the future, however.

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« Reply #483 on: April 08, 2015, 10:54:46 am »
I'm not sure if "clutch hitting" is a real thing or not, but I do think the willingness to do something situational exists. Bryce Harper tried to drag a bunt to get himself on base with Zimm behind him on the first pitch. That was situational willingness. (We can argue all day about whether bunts accomplish enough.)

I think the best way to think about it is that clutch hitting exists, but it's hard to predict someone will be clutch in the future based on clutchness in the past, or vice versa.

Never listen to anyone misusing stats or sabermetrics to discount things that have ACTUALLY HAPPENED. If someone drove in 140 runs because he drove in an abnormally large percentage of runners on base that season, that meant he contributed a ton of runs he wasn't "supposed" to and was therefore more valuable to his team. Same with a pitcher with a much lower ERA than FIP, if he got himself out of a ton of jams that season.

It doesn't mean either the hitter or the pitcher is more likely to repeat that feat in the future, however.

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« Reply #484 on: April 08, 2015, 11:01:26 am »
I'm not sure if "clutch hitting" is a real thing or not, but I do think the willingness to do something situational exists. Bryce Harper tried to drag a bunt to get himself on base with Zimm behind him on the first pitch. That was situational willingness. (We can argue all day about whether bunts accomplish enough.)

He hit a 1-2 pitch up the middle. There's your situational awareness.

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« Reply #485 on: April 08, 2015, 11:04:30 am »
He hit a 1-2 pitch up the middle. There's your situational awareness.
He also tried to bunt (first pitch). That also shows situational awareness, down by two late in the game, getting on base is as useful as a homerun.   

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« Reply #486 on: April 08, 2015, 11:12:04 am »
He also tried to bunt (first pitch). That also shows situational awareness, down by two late in the game, getting on base is as useful as a homerun.   

yep, and he pulled Wright in from that point forward, opening up a better chance of going opposite field.

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« Reply #487 on: April 08, 2015, 11:38:24 am »
I don't get it. What else do you do with a 1-2 pitch that's a strike? He hit that pretty hard.
He hit a 1-2 pitch up the middle. There's your situational awareness.

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« Reply #488 on: April 08, 2015, 11:47:26 am »
I don't get it. What else do you do with a 1-2 pitch that's a strike? He hit that pretty hard.
If it had been Desmond it would have been an uncontrollable swing and he's have popped it up.

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« Reply #489 on: April 08, 2015, 11:52:43 am »
Oh I see. Blue wasn't being sarcastic.
If it had been Desmond it would have been an uncontrollable swing and he's have popped it up.

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« Reply #490 on: April 08, 2015, 01:36:51 pm »
Oh I see. Blue wasn't being sarcastic.
I don't know whether he was or not but my point was that there is a huge difference between solid contact intended to produce a line drive, and and swinging for the fences.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #491 on: April 08, 2015, 03:44:57 pm »
I don't know whether he was or not but my point was that there is a huge difference between solid contact intended to produce a line drive, and and swinging for the fences.
Really?  There's that much of a difference between swing to produce a line drive and swinging to drive a ball?

Bat plane?  Pitch selection?  Stride?  I'm serious here.  I can see a difference between trying to get a pitch to hit on the ground, maybe getting a little flat-footed for balance, and just trying to get a ball in play.  Are you saying it is more "hit the ball hard where it is pitched and don't just try to pull in the air?" 

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« Reply #492 on: April 08, 2015, 03:49:54 pm »
If it had been Desmond it would have been an uncontrollable swing and he's have popped it up.

IIRC Harper was also trying to bunt against Blevins, who had struck him out on 3 pitches the last time they met, so the bunt attempt made a great deal of sense.

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« Reply #493 on: April 08, 2015, 04:26:56 pm »
Really?  There's that much of a difference between swing to produce a line drive and swinging to drive a ball?

Bat plane?  Pitch selection?  Stride?  I'm serious here.  I can see a difference between trying to get a pitch to hit on the ground, maybe getting a little flat-footed for balance, and just trying to get a ball in play.  Are you saying it is more "hit the ball hard where it is pitched and don't just try to pull in the air?" 

If you're Frank Howard you swing for a line drive and often it ends up a homerun, but few of us are Frank Howard. Or if you have a superhuman physique like Mantle, who often swung for line drives, that ended up homeruns (and Mantle also sometimes swung for the fences, and if he connected it was a 500 foot homerun but usually it was a strikeout).  And maybe Harper is in that superhuman category, I don't know, but I do know that Desmond isn't.  In order for Desmond to hit a homerun he has to go into near-uncontollable-swing mode.  When he does that, which is nearly every time he swings, then if he is lucky to make solid contact it's a homerun.  But by swinging like that, he lowers his chances of making solid contact (or even any contact at all).
No I'm not saying Desmod should try to place the ball nor am I saying it's pitch selection in his case/ He isn't that type of player. For Desmond, I suppose as you say don't try to put it in the air would be a good start.  I would be even happier if he would concentrate more on making hard contact with two strikes.

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« Reply #494 on: April 08, 2015, 04:29:09 pm »
IIRC Harper was also trying to bunt against Blevins
I'm having trouble remembering.  What I do remember is that Blevins got Harper to fly out.  And that Harper got a hit on the at bat when he tried to bunt (don't recall who the pitcher was).  And he only tried to bunt once.  My inference from those three recollections is that he didn't try to bunt against Blevins.  So I may be  missing something.

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Re: The Bryce Harper Compendium (2015)
« Reply #495 on: May 01, 2015, 06:55:08 am »
Harper currently with an OPS of .985 while leading the league in walks

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« Reply #496 on: May 01, 2015, 07:12:15 am »
Harper currently with an OPS of .985 while leading the league in walks

The last three or four games, it's apparent that he's trying to take something out of his swing. Which is what he's been needing to do for four years now. If he can stay at that 85% swing most of the time, he can be a consistent 3 or 4 hitter.

Now if we can just teach him to run the damn bases ...

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« Reply #497 on: May 01, 2015, 10:14:49 am »
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With a big sports weekend on tap -- NFL draft, Kentucky Derby, the Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Manny Pacquiao fight, NBA playoffs and more, what would be the No. 1 event for a fan to attend? None of those, Harper said. "I'd take Wild at Blackhawks. I love the NHL playoff atmosphere, and I really like how Patrick Kane plays," he said. Harper is giving hockey support to Washington, too. He's set to attend Game 4 of the Rangers-Capitals series next Wednesday night, after the Nats host Miami in the afternoon.

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« Reply #498 on: May 01, 2015, 11:27:30 am »
The number 1 event of the weekend is clearly the Nats/Mets  Scherzer/Harvey matchup tonight.  Harper should know better.

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« Reply #499 on: May 01, 2015, 12:35:15 pm »
The number 1 event of the weekend is clearly the Nats/Mets  Scherzer/Harvey matchup tonight.  Harper should know better.

I think it's telling that the millionaire from Vegas doesn't want to go to the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight.