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Offline BeltwayBaseball

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #725 on: August 02, 2015, 05:50:45 pm »
Seems a bit high.

It is; according to Prospectus they're down to 67.8%, 62.5% for the division. Met's are 43.7%, 37.3% for the division. Don't know if Prospectus takes schedule into account either way, they have us pegged for 87 wins and the Mets for 84. Regardless, clearly they don't think either of us are gonna win the Wild Card, it's division or bust. And I'd agree with them, considering we now have a worse record than both the Wild Card teams right now.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/

87 wins. Can you believe that? The Washington Nationals "Superteam" of 2015, 87 wins. They never had a chance, came out of the gate with their 1-2-3 hitters on the DL, only to lose their #5 hitter, their #6 hitter fell off the map (and killed the team with errors), and their #7 hitter continue to decline and be unable to catch throws at the plate. Yunel, Danny and Harper can't make up for that, or for losing their ace (Doug Fister's injury and disappointing season) and one of the other "historic" members of the rotation for two months, whom we expected to put it together and put up Cy Young numbers.

Pray to God everybody gets healthy enough to limp into the playoffs so we can save face and put another division title on the wall. Playoffs are a crapshoot anyways, but there will be no guarantees particularly for us with the injuries we sustained.

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #726 on: August 02, 2015, 06:17:58 pm »
If we can just make it to October, I actually think we have a better chance this year than previous years. I think the pressure of being the top seed in 2012 and 2014 got to this team. Maybe this time squeaking in at ~85 wins will take the pressure off, along with opening on the road, even though it means we'd have to face the Dodgers and Grienke/Kershaw twice each.

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #727 on: August 02, 2015, 07:35:37 pm »
Seems a bit high.

The numbers assume that the Nationals have an average type manager.

Is Skippy still offering that bet?

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #728 on: August 02, 2015, 07:59:30 pm »

Is Skippy still offering that bet?


I don't know what bet you're talking about but Skippy should stop making bets while she's drunk. The last time she did that she won a free tattoo and now she regrets it. :hysterical:


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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #729 on: August 02, 2015, 08:29:09 pm »
Thats kinda scary

Offline BeltwayBaseball

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #730 on: August 02, 2015, 09:58:35 pm »
If we can just make it to October, I actually think we have a better chance this year than previous years. I think the pressure of being the top seed in 2012 and 2014 got to this team. Maybe this time squeaking in at ~85 wins will take the pressure off, along with opening on the road, even though it means we'd have to face the Dodgers and Grienke/Kershaw twice each.

We've got more swagger and more balance, too. Max, Harper, Escobar, Papelbon...bullpen is better, starting pitching is much worse but they can put it together...if we can just get in...

Also forgot though, not just losing 2/5 of the rotation to injury, but Zimmermann, arguably the ace of the past 4 years, has regressed considerably. He's had his moments, but he has not been himself. Between Znn, Desmond, and Ramos, those who have stayed healthy have had such regression it's pulled the team down.

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #731 on: August 02, 2015, 10:10:26 pm »
This is wrong.  Where is Lobaton ?

Zimmerman, Desmond, Taylor, (5-6-7), 0-13 tonight with 9 strike outs. What?!?!?

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #732 on: August 02, 2015, 10:41:15 pm »
This is wrong.  Where is Lobaton ?

That was from Friday nights game.


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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #733 on: August 02, 2015, 11:53:53 pm »

I don't know what bet you're talking about but Skippy should stop making bets while she's drunk. The last time she did that she won a free tattoo and now she regrets it. :hysterical:



Spidey!!! That was supposed to stay just between us!!!  >:(  :evil: :smh:  :-[

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #734 on: August 03, 2015, 10:27:18 pm »
Lock it up.

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #735 on: August 03, 2015, 11:09:06 pm »
Lock it up.



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Offline BeltwayBaseball

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #736 on: August 03, 2015, 11:49:10 pm »
What a disappointing season from Fister. Zimmermann too. This team can't be expected to score more than 4 runs and those two have given up 5, for what must be the third or fourth time each, in back-to-back starts.

I write this as I watch the Bums of Baltimore beat the hell out of AAA pitching in Oakland. Jonathan Schoop. Caleb Joseph. Jimmy Paredes. Who? Of course, they've had their cold streaks, but sometimes it seems there's a philosophical problem here.

Rick Schu put life back into the lineup as soon as they fired Eckstein, but this lineup has still underachieved for two years, and look what happened in October. The way the team is playing you could look for somebody to fire anywhere, but sometimes I wonder if this damn coaching staff ever does any actual coaching, mechanical analysis/adjustments, telling their players HOW to hit this particular pitcher, preparing the team for who they're going to face, or if they just manage emotions, soothe egos and put out fires, and let the players coach themselves.

Who the hell knows. They looked great in the 9th. They got screwed HARD in the 4th with that in-betweener that didn't allow Yunel to advance. Game could have been entirely different and I don't blame the coaches for Ian Desmond striking out with the bases loaded as usual. But this ball club is going in a real bad way and there's no time left.

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #737 on: August 04, 2015, 12:23:22 am »
What a disappointing season from Fister. Zimmermann too. This team can't be expected to score more than 4 runs and those two have given up 5, for what must be the third or fourth time each, in back-to-back starts.

I write this as I watch the Bums of Baltimore beat the hell out of AAA pitching in Oakland. Jonathan Schoop. Caleb Joseph. Jimmy Paredes. Who? Of course, they've had their cold streaks, but sometimes it seems there's a philosophical problem here.

Rick Schu put life back into the lineup as soon as they fired Eckstein, but this lineup has still underachieved for two years, and look what happened in October. The way the team is playing you could look for somebody to fire anywhere, but sometimes I wonder if this damn coaching staff ever does any actual coaching, mechanical analysis/adjustments, telling their players HOW to hit this particular pitcher, preparing the team for who they're going to face, or if they just manage emotions, soothe egos and put out fires, and let the players coach themselves.

Who the hell knows. They looked great in the 9th. They got screwed HARD in the 4th with that in-betweener that didn't allow Yunel to advance. Game could have been entirely different and I don't blame the coaches for Ian Desmond striking out with the bases loaded as usual. But this ball club is going in a real bad way and there's no time left.

I blame them for playing Desmond.

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #738 on: August 04, 2015, 08:58:43 am »

Rick Schu put life back into the lineup as soon as they fired Eckstein, but this lineup has still underachieved for two years, and look what happened in October. The way the team is playing you could look for somebody to fire anywhere, but sometimes I wonder if this damn coaching staff ever does any actual coaching, mechanical analysis/adjustments, telling their players HOW to hit this particular pitcher, preparing the team for who they're going to face, or if they just manage emotions, soothe egos and put out fires, and let the players coach themselves.


:lmao: Hitting coaches are overrated. I don't think firing Eckstein did a thing. Maybe a few new ideas, approaches, but same old hitters and same batting philosophies every AB for the most part.

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #739 on: August 04, 2015, 09:04:39 am »
:lmao: Hitting coaches are overrated. I don't think firing Eckstein did a thing. Maybe a few new ideas, approaches, but same old hitters and same batting philosophies every AB for the most part.

it bought davey time- I'm convinced firing coaches gives managers time and firing managers gives GMs time

Offline BeltwayBaseball

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #740 on: August 04, 2015, 01:37:57 pm »
:lmao: Hitting coaches are overrated. I don't think firing Eckstein did a thing. Maybe a few new ideas, approaches, but same old hitters and same batting philosophies every AB for the most part.

Denard Span had a 30some-game hitting streak, he revived his season and credited Schu's "relaxed" approach. Eckstein was a high-stress guy, I think firing him and bringing Schu in has been good. But I don't know that he does more than keep the players "relaxed"...would it kill them to analyze an AB once in a while?

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #741 on: August 04, 2015, 02:43:13 pm »
Today is the 22 year anniversary of Nolan Ryan using Robin Ventura's face as a punching bag. Perhaps a fight is exactly what the Nats need to kick it in gear.


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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #743 on: August 04, 2015, 03:21:10 pm »
Today is the 22 year anniversary of Nolan Ryan using Robin Ventura's face as a punching bag. Perhaps a fight is exactly what the Nats need to kick it in gear.

Nothing makes a team bond and come together like a good brawl or at least a dugout clearing crap talking almost brawl.  I've been there and guys you don't like become your best friend for awhile because he's still better than the enemy aka the other team. 

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #744 on: August 04, 2015, 04:55:58 pm »
:(

http://wtop.com/washington-nationals/2015/08/column-the-nats-are-better-than-the-mets-but-it-might-not-matter/

Nice.  I particularly like his essay on "Personnel Management". 

Taylor, and his .282 OBP batting leadoff for 12 games in July.       :bang:

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #745 on: August 04, 2015, 04:58:07 pm »
Nice.  I particularly like his essay on "Personnel Management". 

Taylor, and his .282 OBP batting leadoff for 12 games in July.       :bang:

but he's fast, fast = good lead off, right?

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #746 on: August 04, 2015, 06:53:06 pm »
David Wright is taking batting practice

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #747 on: August 05, 2015, 09:37:00 am »
We need to go on a tear because I feel like the Mets won't lose for a while.

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #748 on: August 05, 2015, 12:42:35 pm »
The Mets have some interesting choices to make when managing their young arms down the stretch.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/innings-limits-looming-young-met-aces-article-1.2312681

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Re: NL East Watch 2015
« Reply #749 on: August 05, 2015, 02:08:12 pm »
Is anyone else getting absolutely sick of this Mets love fest?  They have a 5 game winning streak, a one game lead in early August, an excellent young rotation.....but its absolutely laughable how the media is piling on the Nats and talking up the Mutts.

I'll stand by my statement....this team will fade.  We win this division by 4-5 games.  Tejada, Lagares, Campbell....garbage.  Even Duda is garabage, despite he luck streak.  It's actually comical.

We blow up tonight against Rubby, and then the Mets have 3 tough ones against the Rays on the road and we're going to pound the Rockies.  By Monday morning, we'll have the lead in the NL East again by 1 or 2 games.  Book it.