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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #800 on: April 15, 2015, 12:58:15 pm »



http://deadspin.com/george-washington-prepares-to-penetrate-the-anus-of-the-1697973482

well, I can't look at the new logo without seeing that now
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Offline Kevrock

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #801 on: April 15, 2015, 05:14:41 pm »
Thanks for sharing, ugh.
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Offline Vega

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #802 on: April 15, 2015, 10:53:10 pm »
After trading roughly their entire team twice over the season, Boston has made the playoffs. Danny Ainge knows his crap.
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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #803 on: April 15, 2015, 10:56:55 pm »
Holy crap Wittman just carried that reporter so hard. I need that on YouTube to post after 90% of gameday thread posts.
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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #804 on: April 16, 2015, 09:28:36 am »
Quote from: HalfSmokes on April 15, 2015, 12:58:15 pm



http://deadspin.com/george-washington-prepares-to-penetrate-the-anus-of-the-1697973482

well, I can't look at the new logo without seeing that now

They actually pay people to think this crap up?
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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #805 on: April 16, 2015, 09:30:36 am »
Quote from: mitlen on April 16, 2015, 09:28:36 am
They actually pay people to think this crap up?

the sad thing is deadspin is actually a pretty good source for sports news
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Offline Vega

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #806 on: April 16, 2015, 10:11:05 am »
Quote from: HalfSmokes on April 16, 2015, 09:30:36 am
the sad thing is deadspin is actually a pretty good source for sports news
No it isn't. The occasionally post something really interesting and thought-provoking that you won't find anywhere else, but for the most parts, its dumb sex jokes and pointless snark mixed in with standard sports stuff.
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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #807 on: April 16, 2015, 10:22:35 am »
Quote from: Vega on April 16, 2015, 10:11:05 am
No it isn't. The occasionally post something really interesting and thought-provoking that you won't find anywhere else, but for the most parts, its dumb sex jokes and pointless snark mixed in with standard sports stuff.

Is there another national source that reports as much on corruption at the league level or in stadium deals? yes they're childish, but their childish articles can be amusing- how many site piggy backed on the Manti Teo story?
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Offline Kevrock

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #808 on: April 16, 2015, 12:00:17 pm »
The childishness is wearing on me.

They do actually break news, though.
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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #809 on: April 16, 2015, 10:06:46 pm »
Quote from: Vega on April 15, 2015, 10:53:10 pm
After trading roughly their entire team twice over the season, Boston has made the playoffs. Danny Ainge knows his crap.
Why do you think that?  They have a losing record and will be sent packing in short order by the Cavs.  They would have been much better off in the lottery.  They are doomed to mediocrity at their current pace.  Stevens is too good a coach and they should have hired someone much more incompetetent.
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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #810 on: April 16, 2015, 10:07:56 pm »
Wiz in Toronto Saturday--be there (at least via the TV or internet) or be square.
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Offline Vega

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #811 on: April 17, 2015, 12:14:12 am »
Quote from: Natsinpwc on April 16, 2015, 10:06:46 pm
Why do you think that?  They have a losing record and will be sent packing in short order by the Cavs.  They would have been much better off in the lottery.  They are doomed to mediocrity at their current pace.  Stevens is too good a coach and they should have hired someone much more incompetetent.
We'll see. They can sign a young impact free agent to help, and while tanking for picks is a valid strategy, I've seen teams like Sacramento whiff again and again in the lottery and stay crappy for years. I'd much rather have a competent coach and GM team that can get the most out of the players they have, like Milwaukee and Boston.
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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #812 on: April 17, 2015, 08:58:28 am »
Quote from: Natsinpwc on April 16, 2015, 10:06:46 pm
Why do you think that?  They have a losing record and will be sent packing in short order by the Cavs.  They would have been much better off in the lottery.  They are doomed to mediocrity at their current pace.  Stevens is too good a coach and they should have hired someone much more incompetetent.

as opposed to the teams that are fighting for the first pick ever yet somehow are doing the same year after year? The Wizards went the sucking for picks route and after 5 years (including being lucky enough to land the number 1 pick), they're a five seed and no one sees this group winning a title
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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #813 on: April 17, 2015, 11:30:09 am »
Quote from: HalfSmokes on April 17, 2015, 08:58:28 am
as opposed to the teams that are fighting for the first pick ever yet somehow are doing the same year after year? The Wizards went the sucking for picks route and after 5 years (including being lucky enough to land the number 1 pick), they're a five seed and no one sees this group winning a title
Doesn't mean it will work but worth a shot.  It's how OKC got good and same for the Clippers.  The only reason the Wiz are decent now are the Wall and Beal draft picks.  If they hadn't messed up on Vesley and traded another number 5 for Mike Miller and Randy Foye they would be in better shape.

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #814 on: April 17, 2015, 11:33:16 am »
Quote from: Vega on April 17, 2015, 12:14:12 am
We'll see. They can sign a young impact free agent to help, and while tanking for picks is a valid strategy, I've seen teams like Sacramento whiff again and again in the lottery and stay crappy for years. I'd much rather have a competent coach and GM team that can get the most out of the players they have, like Milwaukee and Boston.
No one will want to sign there.  They are going nowhere with guys like Evan Turner. 
Sacramento would likely be in the playoffs in the East since they would be playing more games against the East.
Milwaukee actually took a different strategy to think more long term by obtaining Michael Carter Williams and trading Knight.  Lessens their chances this year but provides more room for growth.
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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #815 on: April 17, 2015, 11:33:51 am »
Quote from: Natsinpwc on April 17, 2015, 11:30:09 am
Doesn't mean it will work but worth a shot.  It's how OKC got good and same for the Clippers.  The only reason the Wiz are decent now are the Wall and Beal draft picks.  If they hadn't messed up on Vesley and traded another number 5 for Mike Miller and Randy Foye they would be in better shape.



the clippers got good because Stern got them Chris Paul. For every OKC success, how many 76ers, Timberwolves, Kings, Nuggets, Magic, Pistons, Hornets .... are there? Even OKC got very lucky that the Blazers thought giant centers were still useful in the modern NBA and it looks like they're still going to fall short of a title.
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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #816 on: April 17, 2015, 11:48:27 am »
Quote from: HalfSmokes on April 17, 2015, 11:33:51 am
the clippers got good because Stern got them Chris Paul. For every OKC success, how many 76ers, Timberwolves, Kings, Nuggets, Magic, Pistons, Hornets .... are there? Even OKC got very lucky that the Blazers thought giant centers were still useful in the modern NBA and it looks like they're still going to fall short of a title.
Like I said sometimes works and sometimes does not--the only reason the Clippers got Chris Paul is because they had been lucky enough to draft Griffin.  And of course because the league voided the Lakers trade for him.  The only reason the Wizards will have some free agents interested in them is that they have Wall.

If OKCity had just found a way to keep Harden!  BTW, he was another draft pick.

Philly is the most obvious team trying this strategy now; Noel really came on this year; if Embid does so next year and they draft a guard who pans out look out in 2 years--if not they were not going to win a championship with Evan Turner, Iguodala, etc. and were doomed to first round exits for years to come.


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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #817 on: April 17, 2015, 12:27:50 pm »
I used to be a proponent of tanking, but so many things have to work- you have to suck when an elite player is 10coming out, you have to win the lottery or have the teams drafting ahead of you make the wrong choice, you have to have enough other picks go well, then you have to convince the players to stay. Of course you can look at the Spurs who took Duncan number 1 in 1997 and haven't had to tank since, but the last 10 NBA champions are the spurs 3 times, the heat 3 times, the mavericks, the celtics and the lakers 2 times. The heat were built with free agency, the stars on the Lakers (Bryant 13th pick/trade) and the Marvericks (Dirk 9th/trade) didn't require tanking to obtain. The celtics big 3 were acquired via trade and the 10th pick for pierce (again no tanking necessary). You can go back to the spurs with Duncan, but even there the surrounding cast (Parker 28th pick, Manu 57th and Kawhi 15th) didn't require bottoming out. Compare that to the list of players taken 1 over all picks going back 20 years, the only ones who led teams to championships were Duncan and LeBron (but not the team that drafted him). The same holds true for second and third overall picks for the last 20 years- Pau helped lead the lakers, but they weren't the team that drafted him. Given that, I really question the logic of bottoming out in order to win a title- it just doesn't seem to work
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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #818 on: April 17, 2015, 12:41:49 pm »
Quote from: HalfSmokes on April 17, 2015, 12:27:50 pm
I used to be a proponent of tanking, but so many things have to work- you have to suck when an elite player is 10coming out, you have to win the lottery or have the teams drafting ahead of you make the wrong choice, you have to have enough other picks go well, then you have to convince the players to stay. Of course you can look at the Spurs who took Duncan number 1 in 1997 and haven't had to tank since, but the last 10 NBA champions are the spurs 3 times, the heat 3 times, the mavericks, the celtics and the lakers 2 times. The heat were built with free agency, the stars on the Lakers (Bryant 13th pick/trade) and the Marvericks (Dirk 9th/trade) didn't require tanking to obtain. The celtics big 3 were acquired via trade and the 10th pick for pierce (again no tanking necessary). You can go back to the spurs with Duncan, but even there the surrounding cast (Parker 28th pick, Manu 57th and Kawhi 15th) didn't require bottoming out. Compare that to the list of players taken 1 over all picks going back 20 years, the only ones who led teams to championships were Duncan and LeBron (but not the team that drafted him). The same holds true for second and third overall picks for the last 20 years- Pau helped lead the lakers, but they weren't the team that drafted him. Given that, I really question the logic of bottoming out in order to win a title- it just doesn't seem to work
You make some good points.  The Spurs have really located many gems late in the draft! 
Some places are just not attractive for free agents so it's hard for them to compete.  Think tanking and hoping can be a better chance for them.  Still need to make the right draft choices and find other parts.  Detroit did it well on their last run.  Atlanta seemed stuck in a rut but have found their niche this year
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Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #819 on: April 17, 2015, 01:37:04 pm »
as a fan of a team that realistically won't land a lebron and that probably can't draft/develop like Pop and the Spurs, I'd just prefer a bunch of playoff seasons with an occasional miss even if there is no realistic chance of winning more than a series, to years of unwatchable basketball in the hope you get lucky in the draft
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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #820 on: April 18, 2015, 02:29:53 pm »
Just turned on the game. What. The. freak.
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« Reply #821 on: April 18, 2015, 02:32:09 pm »
Quote from: Slateman on April 18, 2015, 02:29:53 pm
Just turned on the game. What. The. freak.
Don't jinx it Slate.  You may want to tune out.
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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #822 on: April 18, 2015, 02:42:46 pm »
I never should have turned on the game
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« Reply #823 on: April 18, 2015, 02:47:05 pm »
Quote from: Slateman on April 18, 2015, 02:42:46 pm
I never should have turned on the game
I'm blaming you for sure. You and the Wizards.
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Re: Washington Wizards 2014/15
« Reply #824 on: April 18, 2015, 03:01:38 pm »
Beal and Wall have just been terrible. 

Lets win it.
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